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In a message dated 8/29/2003 2:53:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

> Message: 14

> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:16:58 -0000

>

> Subject: FYI

>

> On my recent order from www.netrition.com I ran across a new product

> called the Grow Protein bar. I am NOT sure how it taste but there

> is a LONG editorial message about the false claims made about bars.

> I believe the message is directly from the netrition.com people and

> NOT the Grow Bar people. I found it very informative and believe it

> is one of the best articles on protein bars. It reveals to us much

> of what I think we already know:

>

> http://www.netrition.com/biotest_grow_bars_page.html

>

> I ordered the Grow Bar from Biotest Labs to see if its tolerable.

> It sounds like the healthiest bar out now and they claim to be using

> ONLY Whey protein and no " hydrolyzed protein " (that mysterious form

> of protein I could never identify...now to find out much of it is

> ground up bones like they make jello!). This bar's ingredients are

> the best out there and the purest right now, albeit, the bar is more

> expensive.

>

> Anyone ever try them?

>

> Carol G.

> RNY 8/24/01

> -155 at goal.

>

Thanks for posting this Carol. I sensed from recent reading here that there

was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't know why

(not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like poor

protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be favored?

One thing I noticed about the GROW bars was that they seemed high in sugar

to me (some had 17 or 20 grams per bar) and I wondered if that might not be a

problem. I would love to know how they taste.

I have to admit that my daily lunch is one Detour bar and about 9 ounces of

blueberries. Some baked carrots if I am still a little hungry. Maybe I

should rethink this lunch, although I really enjoy eating it! Lately, night

time hunger has been an issue for me, and I wonder if it could be that I am not

doing the right thing nutritionally during the day.

Lucille

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Lately, night time hunger has been an issue for me, and I wonder if it

could be that I am not doing the right thing nutritionally during the day.

Lucille

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Lucille,

That's what happens to me. Make sure you're getting your water/protein in,

and get to bed earlier if you can. :)

Lori NY

Open RNY 4/00

O'Malley - Rochester, NY

FYI

> >

> > On my recent order from www.netrition.com I ran across a new product

> > called the Grow Protein bar. I am NOT sure how it taste but there

> > is a LONG editorial message about the false claims made about bars.

> > I believe the message is directly from the netrition.com people and

> > NOT the Grow Bar people. I found it very informative and believe it

> > is one of the best articles on protein bars. It reveals to us much

> > of what I think we already know:

> >

> > http://www.netrition.com/biotest_grow_bars_page.html

> >

> > I ordered the Grow Bar from Biotest Labs to see if its tolerable.

> > It sounds like the healthiest bar out now and they claim to be using

> > ONLY Whey protein and no " hydrolyzed protein " (that mysterious form

> > of protein I could never identify...now to find out much of it is

> > ground up bones like they make jello!). This bar's ingredients are

> > the best out there and the purest right now, albeit, the bar is more

> > expensive.

> >

> > Anyone ever try them?

> >

> > Carol G.

> > RNY 8/24/01

> > -155 at goal.

> >

>

> Thanks for posting this Carol. I sensed from recent reading here that

there

> was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't know

why

> (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like poor

> protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be

favored?

> One thing I noticed about the GROW bars was that they seemed high in

sugar

> to me (some had 17 or 20 grams per bar) and I wondered if that might not

be a

> problem. I would love to know how they taste.

>

> I have to admit that my daily lunch is one Detour bar and about 9 ounces

of

> blueberries. Some baked carrots if I am still a little hungry. Maybe

I

> should rethink this lunch, although I really enjoy eating it! Lately,

night

> time hunger has been an issue for me, and I wonder if it could be that I

am not

> doing the right thing nutritionally during the day.

>

> Lucille

>

>

>

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> I sensed from recent reading here that there

> was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't know

why

> (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like poor

> protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be

favored?

The main reason for protein shakes over protein bars is the rate of

absorption of the protein -- in other words, how much protein our bodies can

actually USE over how much we take in. Protein bars have to break down in

our systems, and in our bypassed condition we don't get enough protein from

them to make it really available for our bodies to use. Protein shakes are

already broken down into the most usable form, so we get more from them in

real nutrition.

All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs -- for the

insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and even

if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make us

fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making blood and

muscle and so forth.

I've never tried the Grow bars. I like the Detours and UTurns and so on, but

if I make a regular habit of them, I gain. For me personally, I'm better off

eating some real food to get full and supplementing my protein with shakes.

~~ Lyn G

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Can I rephrase your msg to what I read in my not-quite-right-on-drugs stage

without offending?

" I read between the lines that protein bars are not as good as shakes--why

do I see this, kinda? " (because they're FOOD protein & they're wrapped in

glycerol, which is like wax coating the molecule, in simple terms--more for

us to NOT digest).

" I eat a whopping load of natural and fake sugars each day with a potential

speck of protein in it. I'm thinking the BB are natural, so not really

sugar, and I believe what it says on the Detour labels because I wasn't here

when there was a flurry of discussion on whether or not the labels are

accurate. " (yep, you missed it. Natural sugar is still sugar--fires off

cravings. The Detour/UTurn & One Way bars are reputed not to be accurately

represented on the labels. More like 16g protein, 20g sugar is one report)

" Since I started having an all sugar lunch that I thought was healthy, I've

been having the Screaming Mimi Munchies in the evenings and can't see where

I'm going wrong, based on what I think I see. " (yes, poor darling. You are.

You are attending a fire with what you think is a water hose in your hand,

and really pouring gasoline on it and the flames go berserk about 4 hours

later & you are just starting to see a correlation and wondering if you're

nuts or what)

Yes?

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

FYI

> >

> > On my recent order from www.netrition.com I ran across a new product

> > called the Grow Protein bar. I am NOT sure how it taste but there

> > is a LONG editorial message about the false claims made about bars.

> > I believe the message is directly from the netrition.com people and

> > NOT the Grow Bar people. I found it very informative and believe it

> > is one of the best articles on protein bars. It reveals to us much

> > of what I think we already know:

> >

> > http://www.netrition.com/biotest_grow_bars_page.html

> >

> > I ordered the Grow Bar from Biotest Labs to see if its tolerable.

> > It sounds like the healthiest bar out now and they claim to be using

> > ONLY Whey protein and no " hydrolyzed protein " (that mysterious form

> > of protein I could never identify...now to find out much of it is

> > ground up bones like they make jello!). This bar's ingredients are

> > the best out there and the purest right now, albeit, the bar is more

> > expensive.

> >

> > Anyone ever try them?

> >

> > Carol G.

> > RNY 8/24/01

> > -155 at goal.

> >

>

> Thanks for posting this Carol. I sensed from recent reading here that

there

> was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't know

why

> (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like poor

> protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be

favored?

> One thing I noticed about the GROW bars was that they seemed high in

sugar

> to me (some had 17 or 20 grams per bar) and I wondered if that might not

be a

> problem. I would love to know how they taste.

>

> I have to admit that my daily lunch is one Detour bar and about 9 ounces

of

> blueberries. Some baked carrots if I am still a little hungry. Maybe

I

> should rethink this lunch, although I really enjoy eating it! Lately,

night

> time hunger has been an issue for me, and I wonder if it could be that I

am not

> doing the right thing nutritionally during the day.

>

> Lucille

>

>

>

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My humble $.02 is that we (proximals) might not get all, but we get much of

the protein from the foods we eat. The fact is, we all need so much more

protein than we can or are willing to eat, that supplementation with liquids

is required.

Many people on here just won't sit down and eat a half-pound of meat or

fish. So liquid protein supplements get it in plentiful and fast. Also,

there is no doubt that protein is better for long-term energy and satiety

than carbs, so it's the only way to really load up on the stuff. And

furthermore, we all need to maintain as much muscle as possible to burn

calories and it takes *lots* of protein. As carb-attracted as most on this

list seem to be, liquid protein supplements give us a really high dose.

It's easy to get in high-dose carbs in very easy-to-eat foods.....like

chips, for instance, or cookies. Protein is more difficult to eat. And

usually not quite as fun.

My own experience is that really regimented, supervised weight-training is

what makes my day for strong bones and excellent weight loss maintenance. I

don't see how this works without weight-training. I did aerobics for years

and it just made me hungry.

I'm five years out and my weight maintenance is completely effortless. My

weight-training is very, very hard work. It's what works for me.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Re: Digest Number 2518

> > I sensed from recent reading here that there

> > was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't

know

> why

> > (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like

poor

> > protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be

> favored?

>

> The main reason for protein shakes over protein bars is the rate of

> absorption of the protein -- in other words, how much protein our bodies

can

> actually USE over how much we take in. Protein bars have to break down in

> our systems, and in our bypassed condition we don't get enough protein

from

> them to make it really available for our bodies to use. Protein shakes are

> already broken down into the most usable form, so we get more from them in

> real nutrition.

>

> All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs -- for

the

> insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and

even

> if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make us

> fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making blood and

> muscle and so forth.

>

> I've never tried the Grow bars. I like the Detours and UTurns and so on,

but

> if I make a regular habit of them, I gain. For me personally, I'm better

off

> eating some real food to get full and supplementing my protein with

shakes.

>

> ~~ Lyn G

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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Well, yeah. All of that, AND the bars are high in calories. Ya get a whole

lot more protein for the calories in protein shakes. Just more efficient all the

way around.

Carol A

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In a message dated 8/30/2003 5:42:08 PM Central Daylight Time,

butterflye@... writes:

> The main reason for protein shakes over protein bars is the rate of

> absorption of the protein -- in other words, how much protein our bodies can

> actually USE over how much we take in. Protein bars have to break down in

> our systems, and in our bypassed condition we don't get enough protein from

> them to make it really available for our bodies to use. Protein shakes are

> already broken down into the most usable form, so we get more from them in

> real nutrition.

>

> All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs -- for the

> insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and even

> if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make us

> fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making blood and

> muscle and so forth.

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>>>Protein is more difficult to eat. And

usually not quite as fun.<<<

Let's see. Baked potato, chicken breast. Pasta, pork cop.

USUALLY?

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

www.vitalady.com

If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com

Re: Digest Number 2518

>

>

> > > I sensed from recent reading here that there

> > > was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't

> know

> > why

> > > (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like

> poor

> > > protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be

> > favored?

> >

> > The main reason for protein shakes over protein bars is the rate of

> > absorption of the protein -- in other words, how much protein our bodies

> can

> > actually USE over how much we take in. Protein bars have to break down

in

> > our systems, and in our bypassed condition we don't get enough protein

> from

> > them to make it really available for our bodies to use. Protein shakes

are

> > already broken down into the most usable form, so we get more from them

in

> > real nutrition.

> >

> > All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs -- for

> the

> > insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and

> even

> > if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make

us

> > fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making blood and

> > muscle and so forth.

> >

> > I've never tried the Grow bars. I like the Detours and UTurns and so on,

> but

> > if I make a regular habit of them, I gain. For me personally, I'm better

> off

> > eating some real food to get full and supplementing my protein with

> shakes.

> >

> > ~~ Lyn G

> >

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dave - I don't know you but REALLY, REALLY hate you!! Kidding of course

- you sound like my Dad. He can always do what he needs to do to be his

best. I obviously inherited NONE of that personality trait!! Amber/FL

Re: Digest Number 2518

My humble $.02 is that we (proximals) might not get all, but we get much

of the protein from the foods we eat. The fact is, we all need so much

more protein than we can or are willing to eat, that supplementation

with liquids is required.

Many people on here just won't sit down and eat a half-pound of meat or

fish. So liquid protein supplements get it in plentiful and fast.

Also, there is no doubt that protein is better for long-term energy and

satiety than carbs, so it's the only way to really load up on the stuff.

And furthermore, we all need to maintain as much muscle as possible to

burn calories and it takes *lots* of protein. As carb-attracted as most

on this list seem to be, liquid protein supplements give us a really

high dose. It's easy to get in high-dose carbs in very easy-to-eat

foods.....like chips, for instance, or cookies. Protein is more

difficult to eat. And usually not quite as fun.

My own experience is that really regimented, supervised weight-training

is what makes my day for strong bones and excellent weight loss

maintenance. I don't see how this works without weight-training. I did

aerobics for years and it just made me hungry.

I'm five years out and my weight maintenance is completely effortless.

My weight-training is very, very hard work. It's what works for me.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Re: Digest Number 2518

> > I sensed from recent reading here that there

> > was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't

know

> why

> > (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers

> > like

poor

> > protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to

be

> favored?

>

> The main reason for protein shakes over protein bars is the rate of

> absorption of the protein -- in other words, how much protein our

> bodies

can

> actually USE over how much we take in. Protein bars have to break down

> in our systems, and in our bypassed condition we don't get enough

> protein

from

> them to make it really available for our bodies to use. Protein shakes

> are already broken down into the most usable form, so we get more from

> them in real nutrition.

>

> All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs --

> for

the

> insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and

even

> if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make

> us fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making

> blood and muscle and so forth.

>

> I've never tried the Grow bars. I like the Detours and UTurns and so

> on,

but

> if I make a regular habit of them, I gain. For me personally, I'm

> better

off

> eating some real food to get full and supplementing my protein with

shakes.

>

> ~~ Lyn G

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 8/31/2003 8:50:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,

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Dave - I don't know you but REALLY, REALLY hate you!! Kidding of course

- you sound like my Dad. He can always do what he needs to do to be his

best. I obviously inherited NONE of that personality trait!! Amber/FL

My sister is like that. I hate her too. NOT.

Fay Bayuk

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I know. I really love animal protein and don't have a problem eating it,

but you have to *chew* it so much more than mashed potatoes with gravy !!!!

Or macaroni and cheese. Or a loaded baked potato.

in Austin

RNY April 1998

Re: Digest Number 2518

> >>>Protein is more difficult to eat. And

> usually not quite as fun.<<<

>

> Let's see. Baked potato, chicken breast. Pasta, pork cop.

>

> USUALLY?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

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