Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 In a message dated 8/29/2003 2:53:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Graduate-OSSG writes: > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:16:58 -0000 > > Subject: FYI > > On my recent order from www.netrition.com I ran across a new product > called the Grow Protein bar. I am NOT sure how it taste but there > is a LONG editorial message about the false claims made about bars. > I believe the message is directly from the netrition.com people and > NOT the Grow Bar people. I found it very informative and believe it > is one of the best articles on protein bars. It reveals to us much > of what I think we already know: > > http://www.netrition.com/biotest_grow_bars_page.html > > I ordered the Grow Bar from Biotest Labs to see if its tolerable. > It sounds like the healthiest bar out now and they claim to be using > ONLY Whey protein and no " hydrolyzed protein " (that mysterious form > of protein I could never identify...now to find out much of it is > ground up bones like they make jello!). This bar's ingredients are > the best out there and the purest right now, albeit, the bar is more > expensive. > > Anyone ever try them? > > Carol G. > RNY 8/24/01 > -155 at goal. > Thanks for posting this Carol. I sensed from recent reading here that there was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't know why (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like poor protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be favored? One thing I noticed about the GROW bars was that they seemed high in sugar to me (some had 17 or 20 grams per bar) and I wondered if that might not be a problem. I would love to know how they taste. I have to admit that my daily lunch is one Detour bar and about 9 ounces of blueberries. Some baked carrots if I am still a little hungry. Maybe I should rethink this lunch, although I really enjoy eating it! Lately, night time hunger has been an issue for me, and I wonder if it could be that I am not doing the right thing nutritionally during the day. Lucille Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Lately, night time hunger has been an issue for me, and I wonder if it could be that I am not doing the right thing nutritionally during the day. Lucille ////////// Lucille, That's what happens to me. Make sure you're getting your water/protein in, and get to bed earlier if you can. Lori NY Open RNY 4/00 O'Malley - Rochester, NY FYI > > > > On my recent order from www.netrition.com I ran across a new product > > called the Grow Protein bar. I am NOT sure how it taste but there > > is a LONG editorial message about the false claims made about bars. > > I believe the message is directly from the netrition.com people and > > NOT the Grow Bar people. I found it very informative and believe it > > is one of the best articles on protein bars. It reveals to us much > > of what I think we already know: > > > > http://www.netrition.com/biotest_grow_bars_page.html > > > > I ordered the Grow Bar from Biotest Labs to see if its tolerable. > > It sounds like the healthiest bar out now and they claim to be using > > ONLY Whey protein and no " hydrolyzed protein " (that mysterious form > > of protein I could never identify...now to find out much of it is > > ground up bones like they make jello!). This bar's ingredients are > > the best out there and the purest right now, albeit, the bar is more > > expensive. > > > > Anyone ever try them? > > > > Carol G. > > RNY 8/24/01 > > -155 at goal. > > > > Thanks for posting this Carol. I sensed from recent reading here that there > was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't know why > (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like poor > protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be favored? > One thing I noticed about the GROW bars was that they seemed high in sugar > to me (some had 17 or 20 grams per bar) and I wondered if that might not be a > problem. I would love to know how they taste. > > I have to admit that my daily lunch is one Detour bar and about 9 ounces of > blueberries. Some baked carrots if I am still a little hungry. Maybe I > should rethink this lunch, although I really enjoy eating it! Lately, night > time hunger has been an issue for me, and I wonder if it could be that I am not > doing the right thing nutritionally during the day. > > Lucille > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 > I sensed from recent reading here that there > was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't know why > (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like poor > protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be favored? The main reason for protein shakes over protein bars is the rate of absorption of the protein -- in other words, how much protein our bodies can actually USE over how much we take in. Protein bars have to break down in our systems, and in our bypassed condition we don't get enough protein from them to make it really available for our bodies to use. Protein shakes are already broken down into the most usable form, so we get more from them in real nutrition. All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs -- for the insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and even if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make us fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making blood and muscle and so forth. I've never tried the Grow bars. I like the Detours and UTurns and so on, but if I make a regular habit of them, I gain. For me personally, I'm better off eating some real food to get full and supplementing my protein with shakes. ~~ Lyn G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Can I rephrase your msg to what I read in my not-quite-right-on-drugs stage without offending? " I read between the lines that protein bars are not as good as shakes--why do I see this, kinda? " (because they're FOOD protein & they're wrapped in glycerol, which is like wax coating the molecule, in simple terms--more for us to NOT digest). " I eat a whopping load of natural and fake sugars each day with a potential speck of protein in it. I'm thinking the BB are natural, so not really sugar, and I believe what it says on the Detour labels because I wasn't here when there was a flurry of discussion on whether or not the labels are accurate. " (yep, you missed it. Natural sugar is still sugar--fires off cravings. The Detour/UTurn & One Way bars are reputed not to be accurately represented on the labels. More like 16g protein, 20g sugar is one report) " Since I started having an all sugar lunch that I thought was healthy, I've been having the Screaming Mimi Munchies in the evenings and can't see where I'm going wrong, based on what I think I see. " (yes, poor darling. You are. You are attending a fire with what you think is a water hose in your hand, and really pouring gasoline on it and the flames go berserk about 4 hours later & you are just starting to see a correlation and wondering if you're nuts or what) Yes? Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com FYI > > > > On my recent order from www.netrition.com I ran across a new product > > called the Grow Protein bar. I am NOT sure how it taste but there > > is a LONG editorial message about the false claims made about bars. > > I believe the message is directly from the netrition.com people and > > NOT the Grow Bar people. I found it very informative and believe it > > is one of the best articles on protein bars. It reveals to us much > > of what I think we already know: > > > > http://www.netrition.com/biotest_grow_bars_page.html > > > > I ordered the Grow Bar from Biotest Labs to see if its tolerable. > > It sounds like the healthiest bar out now and they claim to be using > > ONLY Whey protein and no " hydrolyzed protein " (that mysterious form > > of protein I could never identify...now to find out much of it is > > ground up bones like they make jello!). This bar's ingredients are > > the best out there and the purest right now, albeit, the bar is more > > expensive. > > > > Anyone ever try them? > > > > Carol G. > > RNY 8/24/01 > > -155 at goal. > > > > Thanks for posting this Carol. I sensed from recent reading here that there > was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't know why > (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like poor > protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be favored? > One thing I noticed about the GROW bars was that they seemed high in sugar > to me (some had 17 or 20 grams per bar) and I wondered if that might not be a > problem. I would love to know how they taste. > > I have to admit that my daily lunch is one Detour bar and about 9 ounces of > blueberries. Some baked carrots if I am still a little hungry. Maybe I > should rethink this lunch, although I really enjoy eating it! Lately, night > time hunger has been an issue for me, and I wonder if it could be that I am not > doing the right thing nutritionally during the day. > > Lucille > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 My humble $.02 is that we (proximals) might not get all, but we get much of the protein from the foods we eat. The fact is, we all need so much more protein than we can or are willing to eat, that supplementation with liquids is required. Many people on here just won't sit down and eat a half-pound of meat or fish. So liquid protein supplements get it in plentiful and fast. Also, there is no doubt that protein is better for long-term energy and satiety than carbs, so it's the only way to really load up on the stuff. And furthermore, we all need to maintain as much muscle as possible to burn calories and it takes *lots* of protein. As carb-attracted as most on this list seem to be, liquid protein supplements give us a really high dose. It's easy to get in high-dose carbs in very easy-to-eat foods.....like chips, for instance, or cookies. Protein is more difficult to eat. And usually not quite as fun. My own experience is that really regimented, supervised weight-training is what makes my day for strong bones and excellent weight loss maintenance. I don't see how this works without weight-training. I did aerobics for years and it just made me hungry. I'm five years out and my weight maintenance is completely effortless. My weight-training is very, very hard work. It's what works for me. in Austin RNY April 1998 Re: Digest Number 2518 > > I sensed from recent reading here that there > > was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't know > why > > (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like poor > > protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be > favored? > > The main reason for protein shakes over protein bars is the rate of > absorption of the protein -- in other words, how much protein our bodies can > actually USE over how much we take in. Protein bars have to break down in > our systems, and in our bypassed condition we don't get enough protein from > them to make it really available for our bodies to use. Protein shakes are > already broken down into the most usable form, so we get more from them in > real nutrition. > > All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs -- for the > insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and even > if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make us > fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making blood and > muscle and so forth. > > I've never tried the Grow bars. I like the Detours and UTurns and so on, but > if I make a regular habit of them, I gain. For me personally, I'm better off > eating some real food to get full and supplementing my protein with shakes. > > ~~ Lyn G > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Well, yeah. All of that, AND the bars are high in calories. Ya get a whole lot more protein for the calories in protein shakes. Just more efficient all the way around. Carol A ---------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 8/30/2003 5:42:08 PM Central Daylight Time, butterflye@... writes: > The main reason for protein shakes over protein bars is the rate of > absorption of the protein -- in other words, how much protein our bodies can > actually USE over how much we take in. Protein bars have to break down in > our systems, and in our bypassed condition we don't get enough protein from > them to make it really available for our bodies to use. Protein shakes are > already broken down into the most usable form, so we get more from them in > real nutrition. > > All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs -- for the > insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and even > if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make us > fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making blood and > muscle and so forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 >>>Protein is more difficult to eat. And usually not quite as fun.<<< Let's see. Baked potato, chicken breast. Pasta, pork cop. USUALLY? Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com Re: Digest Number 2518 > > > > > I sensed from recent reading here that there > > > was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't > know > > why > > > (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers like > poor > > > protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be > > favored? > > > > The main reason for protein shakes over protein bars is the rate of > > absorption of the protein -- in other words, how much protein our bodies > can > > actually USE over how much we take in. Protein bars have to break down in > > our systems, and in our bypassed condition we don't get enough protein > from > > them to make it really available for our bodies to use. Protein shakes are > > already broken down into the most usable form, so we get more from them in > > real nutrition. > > > > All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs -- for > the > > insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and > even > > if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make us > > fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making blood and > > muscle and so forth. > > > > I've never tried the Grow bars. I like the Detours and UTurns and so on, > but > > if I make a regular habit of them, I gain. For me personally, I'm better > off > > eating some real food to get full and supplementing my protein with > shakes. > > > > ~~ Lyn G > > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Dave - I don't know you but REALLY, REALLY hate you!! Kidding of course - you sound like my Dad. He can always do what he needs to do to be his best. I obviously inherited NONE of that personality trait!! Amber/FL Re: Digest Number 2518 My humble $.02 is that we (proximals) might not get all, but we get much of the protein from the foods we eat. The fact is, we all need so much more protein than we can or are willing to eat, that supplementation with liquids is required. Many people on here just won't sit down and eat a half-pound of meat or fish. So liquid protein supplements get it in plentiful and fast. Also, there is no doubt that protein is better for long-term energy and satiety than carbs, so it's the only way to really load up on the stuff. And furthermore, we all need to maintain as much muscle as possible to burn calories and it takes *lots* of protein. As carb-attracted as most on this list seem to be, liquid protein supplements give us a really high dose. It's easy to get in high-dose carbs in very easy-to-eat foods.....like chips, for instance, or cookies. Protein is more difficult to eat. And usually not quite as fun. My own experience is that really regimented, supervised weight-training is what makes my day for strong bones and excellent weight loss maintenance. I don't see how this works without weight-training. I did aerobics for years and it just made me hungry. I'm five years out and my weight maintenance is completely effortless. My weight-training is very, very hard work. It's what works for me. in Austin RNY April 1998 Re: Digest Number 2518 > > I sensed from recent reading here that there > > was a less than overwhelming approval for protein bars, but I didn't know > why > > (not sure I still do 100%, but the article suggests some answers > > like poor > > protein value from the bars.) Is this why protein drinks seem to be > favored? > > The main reason for protein shakes over protein bars is the rate of > absorption of the protein -- in other words, how much protein our > bodies can > actually USE over how much we take in. Protein bars have to break down > in our systems, and in our bypassed condition we don't get enough > protein from > them to make it really available for our bodies to use. Protein shakes > are already broken down into the most usable form, so we get more from > them in real nutrition. > > All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs -- > for the > insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and even > if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make > us fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making > blood and muscle and so forth. > > I've never tried the Grow bars. I like the Detours and UTurns and so > on, but > if I make a regular habit of them, I gain. For me personally, I'm > better off > eating some real food to get full and supplementing my protein with shakes. > > ~~ Lyn G > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 In a message dated 8/31/2003 8:50:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, rehab2@... writes: Dave - I don't know you but REALLY, REALLY hate you!! Kidding of course - you sound like my Dad. He can always do what he needs to do to be his best. I obviously inherited NONE of that personality trait!! Amber/FL My sister is like that. I hate her too. NOT. Fay Bayuk **300/166 10/23/01 Dr. Open RNY 150 cm Click for My Profile http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 I know. I really love animal protein and don't have a problem eating it, but you have to *chew* it so much more than mashed potatoes with gravy !!!! Or macaroni and cheese. Or a loaded baked potato. in Austin RNY April 1998 Re: Digest Number 2518 > >>>Protein is more difficult to eat. And > usually not quite as fun.<<< > > Let's see. Baked potato, chicken breast. Pasta, pork cop. > > USUALLY? > > > > Thanks, > > > Vitalady, Inc. T > www.vitalady.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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