Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 In a message dated 11/12/03 1:33:48 PM Central Standard Time, juliaz@... writes: > VBG doesn't fix the hunger hormones the way that RNY does, so VBG folks > experience hunger in the same way they did when they were MO. -------- I don't think that RNY necessarily " fixes " this either. If so, then there wouldn't be so many people on this list and on the " off track " list who struggle so much. It seems that " hunger " comes back almost universally, regardless of procedure. There are a lot of failures regardless of surgery type, frequently mechanical, but also because it is so damn hard for us to accept the fact that we MUST change the way and what we eat. There are large numbers of people who think that the way to work their tool is through the portion control that is so helpful during that first year or so. But I think the vast majority of us find out that as time goes by, that portion control that the pouch used to provide is not what it used to be AND along with that we are eating the kind of things that we wouldn't have touched in that first year or two post op. I think one of the main reasons that I have been successful so far with my VBG (3 1/2 years, knock on wood) is because I use the protein shakes -- something most people say that VBGers don't " need. " I think for me that they reduce that true hunger that sends people off to seek the foods that are easy to eat when you've had a restrictive procedure. I think that people who try to just eat " a little bit of everything " never get their bodies nourished enough to keep away that overwhelming signal your body gives to EAT. I worry every day about the possibility mechanical failure of my surgery. But I have seen far too many people who have had other procedures who have experienced failure, either mechanical or otherwise to believe that if I fail it will be because I should have chosen a different procedure. If I have failure, of course I will throw myself back on the OR table and get fixed. I would never rule out getting a revision to RNY or DS, but I will never think that is what I should have done in the first place. Beth Houston, TX VBG - Dr. Srungaram 05/31/00 - 314 lbs. 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty 11/29/02 - 160 lbs. 5'10 " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 , I so totally understand about teh weight gain. I had the vbg 28 months ago. Although I have lost a good amount of weight, I also regained about 45 to 50 lbs. I was recently scoped and discovered that I have a whole in the staple line. It has given me options to either repair the whole or revise to an RNY. Please don't make any decisions until you have had the scope and then do what is best for you. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas SRVG 7/16/01 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce 479/347/hoping for close to 200 On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:36:47 EST jamieluna@... writes: > My name is , I'm 28 years old, and I had open vbg 2 1/2 years > agowith > Dr. Harberg in Houston, Tx. > The first year I lost 100 pounds. The last year and a half I gained > 75 > pounds!!! > > I am having trouble eating too much. I am also not making all of the > right > food choices. I do well for a few days then I go nuts and eat > everything in > sight. I believe I have streached my pouch and ring way out. I am > working out > at Curves 3 days a week. I am so proud of myself for that. It is a > big thing > for me. > > I am so dissapointed in myself for failing to use my tool corectly. > I new > better but I was weak and not determined to make this a life change. > It is not > magic. > > I have been reading posts for a few days about 5 pounds leading to > 10 pounds > etc..... > It is easier than you think to get from 5 pounds to 75 pounds. I did > it and > did it very easily. I don't dump, I rarely throw up. I am just a > massive > grazer and overeater. > > I live in Yukon, OK. now and I am going to see a gastro Dr. to get > scoped and > find out if I can be repaired. I am scared. I want another chance > to do > this right. > > If any of ya'll have any suggestions for Dr.'s in Ok. I would love > to here > about them. > > Thanks for all of the wonderful advice in advance. > > > > > Yukon,OK!!!!! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 , I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a high failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too many people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to have dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's likely you should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, if it were me, I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed. I encourage you to not see surgical failure as personal failure. VBG doesn't fix the hunger hormones the way that RNY does, so VBG folks experience hunger in the same way they did when they were MO. I would not have been a success with VBG either, and I have made a great success out of RNY. When it comes to tools, some people can get away with a fine-bladed screwdriver, and some of us need a crowbar, KWIM? :-) Hang in there, and let us know what happens. I wouldn't " repair " a VBG, I would get rid of it. RNY gives you a much higher chance of making a great success for yourself. Z Open RNY 09/17/01 http://www.ziobro.us new postie My name is , I'm 28 years old, and I had open vbg 2 1/2 years agowith Dr. Harberg in Houston, Tx. The first year I lost 100 pounds. The last year and a half I gained 75 pounds!!! I am having trouble eating too much. I am also not making all of the right food choices. I do well for a few days then I go nuts and eat everything in sight. I believe I have streached my pouch and ring way out. I am working out at Curves 3 days a week. I am so proud of myself for that. It is a big thing for me. I am so dissapointed in myself for failing to use my tool corectly. I new better but I was weak and not determined to make this a life change. It is not magic. I have been reading posts for a few days about 5 pounds leading to 10 pounds etc..... It is easier than you think to get from 5 pounds to 75 pounds. I did it and did it very easily. I don't dump, I rarely throw up. I am just a massive grazer and overeater. I live in Yukon, OK. now and I am going to see a gastro Dr. to get scoped and find out if I can be repaired. I am scared. I want another chance to do this right. If any of ya'll have any suggestions for Dr.'s in Ok. I would love to here about them. Thanks for all of the wonderful advice in advance. Yukon,OK!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 In a message dated 11/12/03 6:32:48 PM Central Standard Time, ladybostons@... writes: > I have/had a dear friend who's VBG disrupted...and she was told not to > fix it...that she could handle it with diet. ------------ Would you advise someone with an RNY that disrupts, or who forms a fistula to NOT fix it? To just " handle it with diet? " I think this is absurd. Beth Houston, TX VBG - Dr. Srungaram 05/31/00 - 314 lbs. 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty 11/29/02 - 160 lbs. 5'10 " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Beth: Ya know, I'm not a real fan of VBG myself, but it makes perfect sense to me that the protein would help tremendously. I don't think this is emphasized enough. In fact, protein shakes are a very big help to people who have not had any WLS surgery and are trying to take off a few pounds. I have heard rumors that they can lose weight just by doing the protein and not really changing anything else. So, I think you have a good point. Barbara Jean Re: new postie > > I don't think that RNY necessarily " fixes " this either. If so, then there > wouldn't be so many people on this list and on the " off track " list who struggle > so much. It seems that " hunger " comes back almost universally, regardless of > procedure. > > I think one of the main reasons that I have been successful so far with my > VBG (3 1/2 years, knock on wood) is because I use the protein shakes -- > something most people say that VBGers don't " need. " I think for me that they reduce > that true hunger that sends people off to seek the foods that are easy to eat > when you've had a restrictive procedure. I think that people who try to just > eat " a little bit of everything " never get their bodies nourished enough to > keep away that overwhelming signal your body gives to EAT. > >> Beth > Houston, TX > VBG - Dr. Srungaram > 05/31/00 - 314 lbs. > 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty > 11/29/02 - 160 lbs. > 5'10 " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Thought you all might find this interesting - as hubby is a healthcare professional he receives bulletins updating what is and isn't approved. Highmark Pennsylvania BCBS will only approve VBG or RNY. VBG must be open - the RNY can be open or lap. AND they will not allow bypasses of more than 100 cm... Marjie I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a high failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too many people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to have dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's likely you should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, if it were me, I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 YEA . Sorry for anyone with a VBG, but I so agree with over this one. I have/had a dear friend who's VBG disrupted...and she was told not to fix it...that she could handle it with diet. I haven't heard from her in so long. I am afraid that she has gained everything back. , just a question, have you been able to convince our good Doctor that they shouldn't be done? You had good success with calcium, I figure if anyone could make him see the light you could. Debbie & in Gig Harbor (170cm medial) ladybostons@... http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice RE: new postie , I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a high failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too many people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to have dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's likely you should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, if it were me, I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Nope, I haven't even tried, he seems quite convinced. He's a marathon runner who's never had more than one pound of extra fat on him in his life!! LOL OTOH, if they come through my support group, lots of us do everything we can with statistics and personal experiences, to convince them to ask Weber for their RNYs. Z 125 cm proxy http://www.ziobro.us RE: new postie , I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a high failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too many people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to have dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's likely you should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, if it were me, I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 And other insurers will not pay for VBG at all. Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com Re: new postie > Thought you all might find this interesting - as hubby is a healthcare professional he receives bulletins updating what is and isn't approved. Highmark Pennsylvania BCBS will only approve VBG or RNY. VBG must be open - the RNY can be open or lap. AND they will not allow bypasses of more than 100 cm... > > Marjie > I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a > high failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too > many people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to > have dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's > likely you should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, > if it were me, I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 I realize that everyone is entitled to there own opinion. However, I am a little concerned that by criticizing the VBG, we will loose some valuable members. I, for one, believe whole heartedly in the VBG. There were several reasons I chose the surgery. I believe that it is less intrusive and did not want to be rerouted. I also found a surgeon that I felt comfortable with that did VBG. If the VBG were not available, I would most certainly consider the RNY and I have even considered having a revising to the RNY but it doesn't mean that the VBG was wrong or bad or outdated. So could we please kind of chill on this subject. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas SRVG 7/16/01 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce 479/347/hoping for close to 200 On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:28:06 -0800 " Debbie McNeice " writes: > YEA . Sorry for anyone with a VBG, but I so agree with > over this > one. I have/had a dear friend who's VBG disrupted...and she was told > not to > fix it...that she could handle it with diet. I haven't heard from > her in so > long. I am afraid that she has gained everything back. , just > a > question, have you been able to convince our good Doctor that they > shouldn't > be done? You had good success with calcium, I figure if anyone could > make > him see the light you could. > > Debbie & > in Gig Harbor > (170cm medial) > ladybostons@... > http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore > http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice > > > > RE: new postie > > > , > > I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a > high > failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too > many > people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to > have > dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's > likely you > should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, if it > were me, > I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed. > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 sorry - someone obviously misread my post - I have an RNY with a 2' bypass...FYI Re: new postie > Thought you all might find this interesting - as hubby is a healthcare professional he receives bulletins updating what is and isn't approved. Highmark Pennsylvania BCBS will only approve VBG or RNY. VBG must be open - the RNY can be open or lap. AND they will not allow bypasses of more than 100 cm... > > Marjie > I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a > high failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too > many people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to > have dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's > likely you should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, > if it were me, I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Oh how well I know that! He was forever telling me I had to walk...even with arthritis. My arthritis was so bad that I was walking bone on bone and was wheel chair bound if I had to walk more then 10 minutes! Didn't matter to him....I was supposed to walk...and MAKE my knees WORSE then they already were. Even with water aerobics...I had to be careful. There was so much I couldn't do....like GET into the POOL! If there weren't steps and I had to use a ladder...there were problems. When I ended up with two knee replacements he didn't even bat an eye. No sympathy there. Debbie & in Gig Harbor (170cm medial) ladybostons@... http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice -----Original Message----- From: Ziobro Nope, I haven't even tried, he seems quite convinced. He's a marathon runner who's never had more than one pound of extra fat on him in his life!! LOL OTOH, if they come through my support group, lots of us do everything we can with statistics and personal experiences, to convince them to ask Weber for their RNYs. Z 125 cm proxy http://www.ziobro.us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Lets try not to take stuff too personally. Everyone has thoughts. Everyone has experiences....but one side or the other should not have to walk on eggshells because someone won't agree. There will always be someone who doesn't agree. We have ppl who don't agree with protien shakes, we have ppl who don't agree with low carb....but what it is designed to do is if someone is interested in following something up, they atleast had an idea spark and they can go check it out. Sherra RE: new postie > > > > > > , > > > > I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a > > high > > failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too > > many > > people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to > > have > > dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's > > likely you > > should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, if it > > were me, > > I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed. > > > > > > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 In a message dated 11/12/2003 8:24:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, loriowen@... writes: criticizing the VBG, we will loose some valuable members. ========================================== The great thing about this board is that it is not a sissy board like some others. We have strong rebuttals all of the time and that is what makes us good. The grad board is not for the meek, AMOS is fine for that. Here when something we believe in gets put down, we feel hurt and then we brush ourselves off and fight back. That is why we are strong. So VBG ers let er rip. Fay Bayuk **300/169 10/23/01 Dr. Open RNY 150 cm Click for My Profile http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Unfortunately, there was nothing I could do or say that would change her mind. Our doctor was god in her mind...and he knew everything. I haven't heard from her in so long. I wish I knew what happened to her. Who knows, maybe she got it fixed. One can hope. Debbie & in Gig Harbor (170cm medial) ladybostons@... http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice Re: new postie In a message dated 11/12/03 6:32:48 PM Central Standard Time, ladybostons@... writes: > I have/had a dear friend who's VBG disrupted...and she was told not to > fix it...that she could handle it with diet. ------------ Would you advise someone with an RNY that disrupts, or who forms a fistula to NOT fix it? To just " handle it with diet? " I think this is absurd. Beth Houston, TX VBG - Dr. Srungaram 05/31/00 - 314 lbs. 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty 11/29/02 - 160 lbs. 5'10 " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Is it easier to detox from Peeps than Popcorn. When I think of not having it here, I completely panic. You would think the popcorn was one of my children. Fay Bayuk **300/169 10/23/01 Dr. Open RNY 150 cm Click for My Profile http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 hello, my name is janice. i wanted to formally introduce myself. i had rny a year ago on 11/04/02 and have lost 225lbs (20 before the surgery). i weigh 145 now and have stayed there for a month now. so i guess that is the size at which my body feels good, so i feel good and healthy. i have found these boards to be a great source of information and humor i am currently in the reconstructive surgery phase of our journey and am looking forward to the end of all the operations by spring of next year. i would love some advice on maintenance, now that i am transitioning from weight loss to maintenance. i have started to add things like frozen yogurts to satisfy my sweet tooth, but found that i get into great trouble with cravings if they are nonfat but loaded with sugar. i just found a place near me that has sugar free/nonfat frozen yogurt which i hope to try and see if that works for me. it has 10 cals per oz and 2 carbs per oz, so it seems reasonable. any tips? has anyone had any luck with sugar free candies/frozen yogurts/ desserts that are low carb, high taste and do not trigger massive sugar cravings? i also " collect " zero calorie sugar free mints as they keep my mouth busy and breathe fresh, anyone have any favs to share? janice RE: new postie Oh how well I know that! He was forever telling me I had to walk...even with arthritis. My arthritis was so bad that I was walking bone on bone and was wheel chair bound if I had to walk more then 10 minutes! Didn't matter to him....I was supposed to walk...and MAKE my knees WORSE then they already were. Even with water aerobics...I had to be careful. There was so much I couldn't do....like GET into the POOL! If there weren't steps and I had to use a ladder...there were problems. When I ended up with two knee replacements he didn't even bat an eye. No sympathy there. Debbie & in Gig Harbor (170cm medial) ladybostons@... http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice -----Original Message----- From: Ziobro Nope, I haven't even tried, he seems quite convinced. He's a marathon runner who's never had more than one pound of extra fat on him in his life!! LOL OTOH, if they come through my support group, lots of us do everything we can with statistics and personal experiences, to convince them to ask Weber for their RNYs. Z 125 cm proxy http://www.ziobro.us Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Fay, I know what you mean. I had some dental work done & I was told by my dentist nothing hard or anything that could get stuck in your teeth, like popcorn, for 6-8 weeks. SHE SAID POPCORN! I was walking around the house in a panic - no popcorn? No popcorn? Grrrrrrr Oaky - I did survive, but barely. Plus I did get the pocorn jones off my back, so I guess it was a good thing. LOL Lorraine > Is it easier to detox from Peeps than Popcorn. When I think of not having it > here, I completely panic. You would think the popcorn was one of my children. > > > Fay Bayuk > **300/169 > 10/23/01 > Dr. > Open RNY 150 cm > Click for My Profile > http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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