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In a message dated 11/12/03 1:33:48 PM Central Standard Time,

juliaz@... writes:

> VBG doesn't fix the hunger hormones the way that RNY does, so VBG folks

> experience hunger in the same way they did when they were MO.

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I don't think that RNY necessarily " fixes " this either. If so, then there

wouldn't be so many people on this list and on the " off track " list who struggle

so much. It seems that " hunger " comes back almost universally, regardless of

procedure.

There are a lot of failures regardless of surgery type, frequently

mechanical, but also because it is so damn hard for us to accept the fact that

we MUST

change the way and what we eat. There are large numbers of people who think

that the way to work their tool is through the portion control that is so

helpful during that first year or so. But I think the vast majority of us find

out

that as time goes by, that portion control that the pouch used to provide is

not what it used to be AND along with that we are eating the kind of things

that we wouldn't have touched in that first year or two post op.

I think one of the main reasons that I have been successful so far with my

VBG (3 1/2 years, knock on wood) is because I use the protein shakes --

something most people say that VBGers don't " need. " I think for me that they

reduce

that true hunger that sends people off to seek the foods that are easy to eat

when you've had a restrictive procedure. I think that people who try to just

eat " a little bit of everything " never get their bodies nourished enough to

keep away that overwhelming signal your body gives to EAT.

I worry every day about the possibility mechanical failure of my surgery.

But I have seen far too many people who have had other procedures who have

experienced failure, either mechanical or otherwise to believe that if I fail it

will be because I should have chosen a different procedure. If I have failure,

of course I will throw myself back on the OR table and get fixed. I would

never rule out getting a revision to RNY or DS, but I will never think that is

what I should have done in the first place.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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I so totally understand about teh weight gain. I had the vbg 28

months ago. Although I have lost a good amount of weight, I also

regained about 45 to 50 lbs. I was recently scoped and discovered that I

have a whole in the staple line. It has given me options to either

repair the whole or revise to an RNY. Please don't make any decisions

until you have had the scope and then do what is best for you.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/347/hoping for close to 200

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:36:47 EST jamieluna@... writes:

> My name is , I'm 28 years old, and I had open vbg 2 1/2 years

> agowith

> Dr. Harberg in Houston, Tx.

> The first year I lost 100 pounds. The last year and a half I gained

> 75

> pounds!!!

>

> I am having trouble eating too much. I am also not making all of the

> right

> food choices. I do well for a few days then I go nuts and eat

> everything in

> sight. I believe I have streached my pouch and ring way out. I am

> working out

> at Curves 3 days a week. I am so proud of myself for that. It is a

> big thing

> for me.

>

> I am so dissapointed in myself for failing to use my tool corectly.

> I new

> better but I was weak and not determined to make this a life change.

> It is not

> magic.

>

> I have been reading posts for a few days about 5 pounds leading to

> 10 pounds

> etc.....

> It is easier than you think to get from 5 pounds to 75 pounds. I did

> it and

> did it very easily. I don't dump, I rarely throw up. I am just a

> massive

> grazer and overeater.

>

> I live in Yukon, OK. now and I am going to see a gastro Dr. to get

> scoped and

> find out if I can be repaired. I am scared. I want another chance

> to do

> this right.

>

> If any of ya'll have any suggestions for Dr.'s in Ok. I would love

> to here

> about them.

>

> Thanks for all of the wonderful advice in advance.

>

>

>

>

> Yukon,OK!!!!!

>

>

>

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I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a

high failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too

many people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to

have dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's

likely you should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting,

if it were me, I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed.

I encourage you to not see surgical failure as personal failure. VBG

doesn't fix the hunger hormones the way that RNY does, so VBG folks

experience hunger in the same way they did when they were MO. I would

not have been a success with VBG either, and I have made a great success

out of RNY. When it comes to tools, some people can get away with a

fine-bladed screwdriver, and some of us need a crowbar, KWIM? :-)

Hang in there, and let us know what happens. I wouldn't " repair " a VBG,

I would get rid of it. RNY gives you a much higher chance of making a

great success for yourself.

Z

Open RNY 09/17/01

http://www.ziobro.us

new postie

My name is , I'm 28 years old, and I had open vbg 2 1/2 years

agowith Dr. Harberg in Houston, Tx.

The first year I lost 100 pounds. The last year and a half I gained 75

pounds!!!

I am having trouble eating too much. I am also not making all of the

right food choices. I do well for a few days then I go nuts and eat

everything in

sight. I believe I have streached my pouch and ring way out. I am

working out

at Curves 3 days a week. I am so proud of myself for that. It is a big

thing for me.

I am so dissapointed in myself for failing to use my tool corectly. I

new better but I was weak and not determined to make this a life change.

It is not magic.

I have been reading posts for a few days about 5 pounds leading to 10

pounds etc.....

It is easier than you think to get from 5 pounds to 75 pounds. I did it

and did it very easily. I don't dump, I rarely throw up. I am just a

massive grazer and overeater.

I live in Yukon, OK. now and I am going to see a gastro Dr. to get

scoped and find out if I can be repaired. I am scared. I want another

chance to do this right.

If any of ya'll have any suggestions for Dr.'s in Ok. I would love to

here about them.

Thanks for all of the wonderful advice in advance.

Yukon,OK!!!!!

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In a message dated 11/12/03 6:32:48 PM Central Standard Time,

ladybostons@... writes:

> I have/had a dear friend who's VBG disrupted...and she was told not to

> fix it...that she could handle it with diet.

------------

Would you advise someone with an RNY that disrupts, or who forms a fistula to

NOT fix it? To just " handle it with diet? " I think this is absurd.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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Beth:

Ya know, I'm not a real fan of VBG myself, but it makes perfect sense to me

that the protein would help tremendously. I don't think this is emphasized

enough. In fact, protein shakes are a very big help to people who have not

had any WLS surgery and are trying to take off a few pounds. I have heard

rumors that they can lose weight just by doing the protein and not really

changing anything else.

So, I think you have a good point.

Barbara Jean

Re: new postie

>

> I don't think that RNY necessarily " fixes " this either. If so, then there

> wouldn't be so many people on this list and on the " off track " list who

struggle

> so much. It seems that " hunger " comes back almost universally, regardless

of

> procedure.

>

> I think one of the main reasons that I have been successful so far with my

> VBG (3 1/2 years, knock on wood) is because I use the protein shakes --

> something most people say that VBGers don't " need. " I think for me that

they reduce

> that true hunger that sends people off to seek the foods that are easy to

eat

> when you've had a restrictive procedure. I think that people who try to

just

> eat " a little bit of everything " never get their bodies nourished enough

to

> keep away that overwhelming signal your body gives to EAT.

>

>> Beth

> Houston, TX

> VBG - Dr. Srungaram

> 05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

> 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

> 11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

> 5'10 "

>

>

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Thought you all might find this interesting - as hubby is a healthcare

professional he receives bulletins updating what is and isn't approved.

Highmark Pennsylvania BCBS will only approve VBG or RNY. VBG must be open - the

RNY can be open or lap. AND they will not allow bypasses of more than 100 cm...

Marjie

I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a

high failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too

many people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to

have dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's

likely you should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting,

if it were me, I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed.

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YEA . Sorry for anyone with a VBG, but I so agree with over this

one. I have/had a dear friend who's VBG disrupted...and she was told not to

fix it...that she could handle it with diet. I haven't heard from her in so

long. I am afraid that she has gained everything back. , just a

question, have you been able to convince our good Doctor that they shouldn't

be done? You had good success with calcium, I figure if anyone could make

him see the light you could.

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

ladybostons@...

http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore

http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice

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,

I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a high

failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too many

people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to have

dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's likely you

should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, if it were me,

I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed.

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Nope, I haven't even tried, he seems quite convinced. He's a marathon

runner who's never had more than one pound of extra fat on him in his

life!! LOL

OTOH, if they come through my support group, lots of us do everything we

can with statistics and personal experiences, to convince them to ask

Weber for their RNYs.

Z

125 cm proxy

http://www.ziobro.us

RE: new postie

,

I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a

high

failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too many

people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to have

dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's likely

you

should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, if it were

me,

I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed.

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And other insurers will not pay for VBG at all.

Thanks,

Vitalady, Inc. T

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Re: new postie

> Thought you all might find this interesting - as hubby is a healthcare

professional he receives bulletins updating what is and isn't approved.

Highmark Pennsylvania BCBS will only approve VBG or RNY. VBG must be open -

the RNY can be open or lap. AND they will not allow bypasses of more than

100 cm...

>

> Marjie

> I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a

> high failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too

> many people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to

> have dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's

> likely you should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting,

> if it were me, I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed.

>

>

>

>

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I realize that everyone is entitled to there own opinion. However, I am

a little concerned that by criticizing the VBG, we will loose some

valuable members. I, for one, believe whole heartedly in the VBG. There

were several reasons I chose the surgery. I believe that it is less

intrusive and did not want to be rerouted. I also found a surgeon that I

felt comfortable with that did VBG. If the VBG were not available, I

would most certainly consider the RNY and I have even considered having a

revising to the RNY but it doesn't mean that the VBG was wrong or bad or

outdated. So could we please kind of chill on this subject.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

479/347/hoping for close to 200

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:28:06 -0800 " Debbie McNeice "

writes:

> YEA . Sorry for anyone with a VBG, but I so agree with

> over this

> one. I have/had a dear friend who's VBG disrupted...and she was told

> not to

> fix it...that she could handle it with diet. I haven't heard from

> her in so

> long. I am afraid that she has gained everything back. , just

> a

> question, have you been able to convince our good Doctor that they

> shouldn't

> be done? You had good success with calcium, I figure if anyone could

> make

> him see the light you could.

>

> Debbie &

> in Gig Harbor

> (170cm medial)

> ladybostons@...

> http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore

> http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice

>

>

>

> RE: new postie

>

>

> ,

>

> I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a

> high

> failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too

> many

> people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to

> have

> dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's

> likely you

> should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, if it

> were me,

> I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed.

>

>

>

>

> Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

>

> Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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sorry - someone obviously misread my post - I have an RNY with a 2' bypass...FYI

Re: new postie

> Thought you all might find this interesting - as hubby is a healthcare

professional he receives bulletins updating what is and isn't approved.

Highmark Pennsylvania BCBS will only approve VBG or RNY. VBG must be open -

the RNY can be open or lap. AND they will not allow bypasses of more than

100 cm...

>

> Marjie

> I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a

> high failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too

> many people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to

> have dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's

> likely you should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting,

> if it were me, I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed.

>

>

>

>

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Oh how well I know that! He was forever telling me I had to walk...even with

arthritis. My arthritis was so bad that I was walking bone on bone and was

wheel chair bound if I had to walk more then 10 minutes! Didn't matter to

him....I was supposed to walk...and MAKE my knees WORSE then they already

were. Even with water aerobics...I had to be careful. There was so much I

couldn't do....like GET into the POOL! If there weren't steps and I had to

use a ladder...there were problems. When I ended up with two knee

replacements he didn't even bat an eye. No sympathy there.

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

ladybostons@...

http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore

http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice

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From: Ziobro

Nope, I haven't even tried, he seems quite convinced. He's a marathon runner

who's never had more than one pound of extra fat on him in his life!! LOL

OTOH, if they come through my support group, lots of us do everything we can

with statistics and personal experiences, to convince them to ask Weber for

their RNYs.

Z

125 cm proxy

http://www.ziobro.us

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Lets try not to take stuff too personally.

Everyone has thoughts. Everyone has experiences....but one side or the

other should not have to walk on eggshells because someone won't agree.

There will always be someone who doesn't agree. We have ppl who don't agree

with protien shakes, we have ppl who don't agree with low carb....but what

it is designed to do is if someone is interested in following something up,

they atleast had an idea spark and they can go check it out.

Sherra

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> >

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I don't think you should feel bad. VBG is an outdated surgery with a

> > high

> > failure/regain rate, and should not be performed anymore, IMO. Too

> > many

> > people have the experience you do. I'm not sure why you expected to

> > have

> > dumping syndrome; I know very few VBGs that do. I think that it's

> > likely you

> > should be revised to RNY. Given your long history of dieting, if it

> > were me,

> > I would make sure that I had AT LEAST 150 cm bypassed.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

> >

> > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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In a message dated 11/12/2003 8:24:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

loriowen@... writes:

criticizing the VBG, we will loose some

valuable members.

==========================================

The great thing about this board is that it is not a sissy board like some

others. We have strong rebuttals all of the time and that is what makes us

good. The grad board is not for the meek, AMOS is fine for that. Here when

something we believe in gets put down, we feel hurt and then we brush ourselves

off

and fight back. That is why we are strong. So VBG ers let er rip.

Fay Bayuk

**300/169

10/23/01

Dr.

Open RNY 150 cm

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Unfortunately, there was nothing I could do or say that would change her

mind. Our doctor was god in her mind...and he knew everything. I haven't

heard from her in so long. I wish I knew what happened to her. Who knows,

maybe she got it fixed. One can hope.

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

ladybostons@...

http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore

http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice

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In a message dated 11/12/03 6:32:48 PM Central Standard Time,

ladybostons@... writes:

> I have/had a dear friend who's VBG disrupted...and she was told not to

> fix it...that she could handle it with diet.

------------

Would you advise someone with an RNY that disrupts, or who forms a fistula

to

NOT fix it? To just " handle it with diet? " I think this is absurd.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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hello, my name is janice. i wanted to formally introduce myself.

i had rny a year ago on 11/04/02 and have lost 225lbs (20 before the

surgery). i weigh 145 now and have stayed there for a month now.

so i guess that is the size at which my body feels good, so i feel good and

healthy.

i have found these boards to be a great source of information and humor :)

i am currently in the reconstructive surgery phase of our journey and am

looking forward to the end of all the operations by spring of next year.

i would love some advice on maintenance, now that i am transitioning from

weight loss to maintenance.

i have started to add things like frozen yogurts to satisfy my sweet tooth,

but found that i get into great trouble with cravings if they are nonfat but

loaded with sugar. i just found a place near me that has sugar free/nonfat

frozen yogurt which i hope to try and see if that works for me. it has 10

cals per oz and 2 carbs per oz, so it seems reasonable.

any tips? has anyone had any luck with sugar free candies/frozen yogurts/

desserts that are low carb, high taste and do not trigger massive sugar

cravings?

i also " collect " zero calorie sugar free mints as they keep my mouth busy

and breathe fresh, anyone have any favs to share?

janice

RE: new postie

Oh how well I know that! He was forever telling me I had to walk...even with

arthritis. My arthritis was so bad that I was walking bone on bone and was

wheel chair bound if I had to walk more then 10 minutes! Didn't matter to

him....I was supposed to walk...and MAKE my knees WORSE then they already

were. Even with water aerobics...I had to be careful. There was so much I

couldn't do....like GET into the POOL! If there weren't steps and I had to

use a ladder...there were problems. When I ended up with two knee

replacements he didn't even bat an eye. No sympathy there.

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

ladybostons@...

http://www.cafeshops.com/copsstore

http://www.marykay.com/debbiemcneice

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From: Ziobro

Nope, I haven't even tried, he seems quite convinced. He's a marathon runner

who's never had more than one pound of extra fat on him in his life!! LOL

OTOH, if they come through my support group, lots of us do everything we can

with statistics and personal experiences, to convince them to ask Weber for

their RNYs.

Z

125 cm proxy

http://www.ziobro.us

Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG

Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe

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Fay, I know what you mean. I had some dental work done & I was told

by my dentist nothing hard or anything that could get stuck in your

teeth, like popcorn, for 6-8 weeks. SHE SAID POPCORN! I was walking

around the house in a panic - no popcorn? No popcorn? Grrrrrrr

Oaky - I did survive, but barely. Plus I did get the pocorn jones off

my back, so I guess it was a good thing. LOL

Lorraine

> Is it easier to detox from Peeps than Popcorn. When I think of not

having it

> here, I completely panic. You would think the popcorn was one of my

children.

>

>

> Fay Bayuk

> **300/169

> 10/23/01

> Dr.

> Open RNY 150 cm

> Click for My Profile

> http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008

>

>

>

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