Re: nuts, oils, peanut butter

[Guest guest]

Carol,

Thanks for the good info., BUT PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY PEANUT

BUTTER!!! I also am trying desperately to remove trans fats from my

diet. Peanut butter is my treat in the late afternoon/before dinner

period when I want to eat. Just a spoonful or sometimes two. I'd

like to know if anyone disagrees with this info. Thanks a lot.

Diane

LAP RNY 9/99

> Okay, I need some help from the dieticians and rn's out there. I

just read

> (in a maverick doc's newsletter: s III,

MD's " Real

> Health " ) the following:

>

> " Nuts have long been dubbed fattening or unhealthy. But since most

of their

> admittedly high fat content comprises unsaturated fats.... then

they are ok "

> (this is a quote the author is disputing, and he goes on to

comment):

>

> This is not completely true. The message isn't saturated vs.

unsaturated, but

> what the oil IS in its normal, unprocessed state. The best

examples are

> coconut oil and palm oil. They are HIGHLY SATURATED but they are

the healthiest

> oils to cook with, along with olive oil, which is not saturated.

>

> (Carol's question: anyone know WHY they're supposedly the

healthiest to cook

> with?)

>

> As you can see, it can get a little confusing. But all you have to

remember

> is which oils to cook with : make a list and stick with it--

coconut, palm, and

> olive oil, butter and animal fats, such as lard, lamb & beef fat.

Don't use

> ANY of the others, esp corn oil and soy oil.

>

> You're now more knowledgeable on the saturated/unsaturated issue

pertaining

> to nuts than the FDA experts. So now a few words on what's REALLY

healthy vs.

> unhealthy when it comes to nuts. You already know that

carbohydrates (sugar &

> starch) are THE nutritional disaster of the 20th century, so

what's the carb

> situation with nuts? Cashews are very high in sugar content. And I

have to make

> special mention of peanut butter. It is NOT a nut and it is NOT

butter.

> Peanuts are legumes, and the " butter " is loaded with trans fatty

acids, which are

> loaded with free radicals and other health risks.

>

> (Carol's question: !!! ??? !!! Trans-fatty acids? Who knew? Not

me. I avoid

> them like the plague, but have been using p/butter when I'm having

a

> hypoglycemic attack. Does anyone know the real scoop on this?)

>

> References:

> " Frequent nut consumption and risk of coronary heart disease in

women:

> prospective cohort study. " British Medical Journal 1998; 317

(7,169):1,341-1,345

>

> " Nutcracking girls live longer, " Nature Science Update

(www.nature.com)

> 11/26/98

>

> FDA ok's Nutty Heart Health Claim, " WebMD Medical News 7/17/03

> ---------------------------------------

>

> Carol A

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh man, don't get me started on celery & PB again. That one lasted 3 months.

LOL!

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Re: nuts, oils, peanut butter

>

>

> > Carol,

> > Thanks for the good info., BUT PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY PEANUT

> > BUTTER!!! I also am trying desperately to remove trans fats from my

> > diet. Peanut butter is my treat in the late afternoon/before dinner

> > period when I want to eat. Just a spoonful or sometimes two. I'd

> > like to know if anyone disagrees with this info. Thanks a lot.

> >

> > Diane

> > LAP RNY 9/99

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Okay, I need some help from the dieticians and rn's out there. I

> > just read

> > > (in a maverick doc's newsletter: s III,

> > MD's " Real

> > > Health " ) the following:

> > >

> > > " Nuts have long been dubbed fattening or unhealthy. But since most

> > of their

> > > admittedly high fat content comprises unsaturated fats.... then

> > they are ok "

> > > (this is a quote the author is disputing, and he goes on to

> > comment):

> > >

> > > This is not completely true. The message isn't saturated vs.

> > unsaturated, but

> > > what the oil IS in its normal, unprocessed state. The best

> > examples are

> > > coconut oil and palm oil. They are HIGHLY SATURATED but they are

> > the healthiest

> > > oils to cook with, along with olive oil, which is not saturated.

> > >

> > > (Carol's question: anyone know WHY they're supposedly the

> > healthiest to cook

> > > with?)

> > >

> > > As you can see, it can get a little confusing. But all you have to

> > remember

> > > is which oils to cook with : make a list and stick with it--

> > coconut, palm, and

> > > olive oil, butter and animal fats, such as lard, lamb & beef fat.

> > Don't use

> > > ANY of the others, esp corn oil and soy oil.

> > >

> > > You're now more knowledgeable on the saturated/unsaturated issue

> > pertaining

> > > to nuts than the FDA experts. So now a few words on what's REALLY

> > healthy vs.

> > > unhealthy when it comes to nuts. You already know that

> > carbohydrates (sugar &

> > > starch) are THE nutritional disaster of the 20th century, so

> > what's the carb

> > > situation with nuts? Cashews are very high in sugar content. And I

> > have to make

> > > special mention of peanut butter. It is NOT a nut and it is NOT

> > butter.

> > > Peanuts are legumes, and the " butter " is loaded with trans fatty

> > acids, which are

> > > loaded with free radicals and other health risks.

> > >

> > > (Carol's question: !!! ??? !!! Trans-fatty acids? Who knew? Not

> > me. I avoid

> > > them like the plague, but have been using p/butter when I'm having

> > a

> > > hypoglycemic attack. Does anyone know the real scoop on this?)

> > >

> > > References:

> > > " Frequent nut consumption and risk of coronary heart disease in

> > women:

> > > prospective cohort study. " British Medical Journal 1998; 317

> > (7,169):1,341-1,345

> > >

> > > " Nutcracking girls live longer, " Nature Science Update

> > (www.nature.com)

> > > 11/26/98

> > >

> > > FDA ok's Nutty Heart Health Claim, " WebMD Medical News 7/17/03

> > > ---------------------------------------

> > >

> > > Carol A

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I suscribe to the theory of..if you can eat right 70 percent of the time

which is most of the time...then you will be ok. Everything in moderation

which is something that wasn't my forte till I got this tool to help out.

I have zero plans to dump my peanut butter from my diet, I may however look

for a more healthy peanut butter than the processed kind. I'm at goal and

very healthy. I get my vitamins in, my water in, my protein in, I have not

much else to really mess up..not enough room so I enjoy my few dollops of PB

with zero guilt on my half apple and celery.

Sherra

Re: nuts, oils, peanut butter

> Carol,

> Thanks for the good info., BUT PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY PEANUT

> BUTTER!!! I also am trying desperately to remove trans fats from my

> diet. Peanut butter is my treat in the late afternoon/before dinner

> period when I want to eat. Just a spoonful or sometimes two. I'd

> like to know if anyone disagrees with this info. Thanks a lot.

>

> Diane

> LAP RNY 9/99

>

>

>

>

> > Okay, I need some help from the dieticians and rn's out there. I

> just read

> > (in a maverick doc's newsletter: s III,

> MD's " Real

> > Health " ) the following:

> >

> > " Nuts have long been dubbed fattening or unhealthy. But since most

> of their

> > admittedly high fat content comprises unsaturated fats.... then

> they are ok "

> > (this is a quote the author is disputing, and he goes on to

> comment):

> >

> > This is not completely true. The message isn't saturated vs.

> unsaturated, but

> > what the oil IS in its normal, unprocessed state. The best

> examples are

> > coconut oil and palm oil. They are HIGHLY SATURATED but they are

> the healthiest

> > oils to cook with, along with olive oil, which is not saturated.

> >

> > (Carol's question: anyone know WHY they're supposedly the

> healthiest to cook

> > with?)

> >

> > As you can see, it can get a little confusing. But all you have to

> remember

> > is which oils to cook with : make a list and stick with it--

> coconut, palm, and

> > olive oil, butter and animal fats, such as lard, lamb & beef fat.

> Don't use

> > ANY of the others, esp corn oil and soy oil.

> >

> > You're now more knowledgeable on the saturated/unsaturated issue

> pertaining

> > to nuts than the FDA experts. So now a few words on what's REALLY

> healthy vs.

> > unhealthy when it comes to nuts. You already know that

> carbohydrates (sugar &

> > starch) are THE nutritional disaster of the 20th century, so

> what's the carb

> > situation with nuts? Cashews are very high in sugar content. And I

> have to make

> > special mention of peanut butter. It is NOT a nut and it is NOT

> butter.

> > Peanuts are legumes, and the " butter " is loaded with trans fatty

> acids, which are

> > loaded with free radicals and other health risks.

> >

> > (Carol's question: !!! ??? !!! Trans-fatty acids? Who knew? Not

> me. I avoid

> > them like the plague, but have been using p/butter when I'm having

> a

> > hypoglycemic attack. Does anyone know the real scoop on this?)

> >

> > References:

> > " Frequent nut consumption and risk of coronary heart disease in

> women:

> > prospective cohort study. " British Medical Journal 1998; 317

> (7,169):1,341-1,345

> >

> > " Nutcracking girls live longer, " Nature Science Update

> (www.nature.com)

> > 11/26/98

> >

> > FDA ok's Nutty Heart Health Claim, " WebMD Medical News 7/17/03

> > ---------------------------------------

> >

> > Carol A

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

haha what happened michelle..you have me curious now

Sherra

Re: nuts, oils, peanut butter

> >

> >

> > > Carol,

> > > Thanks for the good info., BUT PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY PEANUT

> > > BUTTER!!! I also am trying desperately to remove trans fats from my

> > > diet. Peanut butter is my treat in the late afternoon/before dinner

> > > period when I want to eat. Just a spoonful or sometimes two. I'd

> > > like to know if anyone disagrees with this info. Thanks a lot.

> > >

> > > Diane

> > > LAP RNY 9/99

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Okay, I need some help from the dieticians and rn's out there. I

> > > just read

> > > > (in a maverick doc's newsletter: s III,

> > > MD's " Real

> > > > Health " ) the following:

> > > >

> > > > " Nuts have long been dubbed fattening or unhealthy. But since most

> > > of their

> > > > admittedly high fat content comprises unsaturated fats.... then

> > > they are ok "

> > > > (this is a quote the author is disputing, and he goes on to

> > > comment):

> > > >

> > > > This is not completely true. The message isn't saturated vs.

> > > unsaturated, but

> > > > what the oil IS in its normal, unprocessed state. The best

> > > examples are

> > > > coconut oil and palm oil. They are HIGHLY SATURATED but they are

> > > the healthiest

> > > > oils to cook with, along with olive oil, which is not saturated.

> > > >

> > > > (Carol's question: anyone know WHY they're supposedly the

> > > healthiest to cook

> > > > with?)

> > > >

> > > > As you can see, it can get a little confusing. But all you have to

> > > remember

> > > > is which oils to cook with : make a list and stick with it--

> > > coconut, palm, and

> > > > olive oil, butter and animal fats, such as lard, lamb & beef fat.

> > > Don't use

> > > > ANY of the others, esp corn oil and soy oil.

> > > >

> > > > You're now more knowledgeable on the saturated/unsaturated issue

> > > pertaining

> > > > to nuts than the FDA experts. So now a few words on what's REALLY

> > > healthy vs.

> > > > unhealthy when it comes to nuts. You already know that

> > > carbohydrates (sugar &

> > > > starch) are THE nutritional disaster of the 20th century, so

> > > what's the carb

> > > > situation with nuts? Cashews are very high in sugar content. And I

> > > have to make

> > > > special mention of peanut butter. It is NOT a nut and it is NOT

> > > butter.

> > > > Peanuts are legumes, and the " butter " is loaded with trans fatty

> > > acids, which are

> > > > loaded with free radicals and other health risks.

> > > >

> > > > (Carol's question: !!! ??? !!! Trans-fatty acids? Who knew? Not

> > > me. I avoid

> > > > them like the plague, but have been using p/butter when I'm having

> > > a

> > > > hypoglycemic attack. Does anyone know the real scoop on this?)

> > > >

> > > > References:

> > > > " Frequent nut consumption and risk of coronary heart disease in

> > > women:

> > > > prospective cohort study. " British Medical Journal 1998; 317

> > > (7,169):1,341-1,345

> > > >

> > > > " Nutcracking girls live longer, " Nature Science Update

> > > (www.nature.com)

> > > > 11/26/98

> > > >

> > > > FDA ok's Nutty Heart Health Claim, " WebMD Medical News 7/17/03

> > > > ---------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > Carol A

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

And every time she mentions celery and peanut butter....I go running for the

kitchen!!

Stop the insanity....please!!!

Sue in Las Vegas

Re: nuts, oils, peanut butter

> >

> >

> > > Carol,

> > > Thanks for the good info., BUT PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY MY PEANUT

> > > BUTTER!!! I also am trying desperately to remove trans fats from my

> > > diet. Peanut butter is my treat in the late afternoon/before dinner

> > > period when I want to eat. Just a spoonful or sometimes two. I'd

> > > like to know if anyone disagrees with this info. Thanks a lot.

> > >

> > > Diane

> > > LAP RNY 9/99

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Okay, I need some help from the dieticians and rn's out there. I

> > > just read

> > > > (in a maverick doc's newsletter: s III,

> > > MD's " Real

> > > > Health " ) the following:

> > > >

> > > > " Nuts have long been dubbed fattening or unhealthy. But since most

> > > of their

> > > > admittedly high fat content comprises unsaturated fats.... then

> > > they are ok "

> > > > (this is a quote the author is disputing, and he goes on to

> > > comment):

> > > >

> > > > This is not completely true. The message isn't saturated vs.

> > > unsaturated, but

> > > > what the oil IS in its normal, unprocessed state. The best

> > > examples are

> > > > coconut oil and palm oil. They are HIGHLY SATURATED but they are

> > > the healthiest

> > > > oils to cook with, along with olive oil, which is not saturated.

> > > >

> > > > (Carol's question: anyone know WHY they're supposedly the

> > > healthiest to cook

> > > > with?)

> > > >

> > > > As you can see, it can get a little confusing. But all you have to

> > > remember

> > > > is which oils to cook with : make a list and stick with it--

> > > coconut, palm, and

> > > > olive oil, butter and animal fats, such as lard, lamb & beef fat.

> > > Don't use

> > > > ANY of the others, esp corn oil and soy oil.

> > > >

> > > > You're now more knowledgeable on the saturated/unsaturated issue

> > > pertaining

> > > > to nuts than the FDA experts. So now a few words on what's REALLY

> > > healthy vs.

> > > > unhealthy when it comes to nuts. You already know that

> > > carbohydrates (sugar &

> > > > starch) are THE nutritional disaster of the 20th century, so

> > > what's the carb

> > > > situation with nuts? Cashews are very high in sugar content. And I

> > > have to make

> > > > special mention of peanut butter. It is NOT a nut and it is NOT

> > > butter.

> > > > Peanuts are legumes, and the " butter " is loaded with trans fatty

> > > acids, which are

> > > > loaded with free radicals and other health risks.

> > > >

> > > > (Carol's question: !!! ??? !!! Trans-fatty acids? Who knew? Not

> > > me. I avoid

> > > > them like the plague, but have been using p/butter when I'm having

> > > a

> > > > hypoglycemic attack. Does anyone know the real scoop on this?)

> > > >

> > > > References:

> > > > " Frequent nut consumption and risk of coronary heart disease in

> > > women:

> > > > prospective cohort study. " British Medical Journal 1998; 317

> > > (7,169):1,341-1,345

> > > >

> > > > " Nutcracking girls live longer, " Nature Science Update

> > > (www.nature.com)

> > > > 11/26/98

> > > >

> > > > FDA ok's Nutty Heart Health Claim, " WebMD Medical News 7/17/03

> > > > ---------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > Carol A

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Did a google search and found several sources that show no

appreciable trans fats in peanut butter. From one site (admittedly

on the National Peanut Board's web site, but verified on other sites

including the Berkeley Wellness Letter and also a USDA web site):

" According to a recent study by the United States Department of

Agriculture/Agricultural Research Service (USDA/ARS), both natural

and commercial brands of peanut butter contain no detectable trans-

fatty acids. The study, " Non-Detectable Levels of trans-Fatty Acids

in Peanut Butter, " was published in the May 2001 issue of the

Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.

" The study examined the fatty acid content of 11 different brands of

commercial, natural and store-brand peanut butter and found no

detectable trans-fat in any of the samples. Some peanut butters

contain a small amount (approximately 1-2 percent) of partially

hydrogenated oil used as stabilizers to prevent oil separation. This

produces a smooth and creamy product that most consumers prefer.

" The study concludes, " Consumption of these products (peanut butter)

should, therefore, not be of concern to individuals monitoring trans-

fatty acid intake. Natural types and freshly ground peanuts were not

found to be different from commercial peanut butters in trans-fatty

acid content. "

To be really on the safe side you could choose " natural " peanut

butters, but I wouldn't worry about it. Just don't eat the PB on

top of a Ritz cracker!

Seriously, it's all a matter of balancing positives and negatives.

PB is terribly high in calories, not as high in protein as a lot of

people would have you believe (unless you eat a ton of it), and can

definitely be a trigger food for some people. BUT it's also cheap,

convenient, good, and...very important to me...gives me long-lasting

satiety. I often have PB on apple slices or celery and find

it " holds " me better than other snacks. I imagine that's because of

the high fat content. The same is true for nuts in general, both

legumes and tree nuts, which have the added benefit of being very

convenient. I often keep a quarter cup of nuts in a baggy in my

purse or desk drawer or the car. I find they're also good to have

on hand if I get those occasional shaky hypoglycemic feelings from

eating two many carbs earlier.

Celia