Re: Digest Number 2521

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Dan~

Your MRI report is a dupe of mine! I found the epidurals to be quite useful.

Probably will require more than one. The first couple of days afterwards,

it is worse, but then gets a lot better than before. My son has had three back

surgeries, and I think he is worse for it. Don't think I'd let them touch me

with a knife on my back unless the condition I had was life threatening.

Anyway...just so you don't feel alone...our backs are unaware that we haven't

died yet...and the discs are turning to powder. humph!

Regards~

Jacque

: Coincidently I got the results of a recent MRI today for low right

back pain that I had always assumed was hip/osteopenia related but lo and

behold it just contains myriad sites of bulging, dessication, and you name

in all through the lumbar region with narrowing (stenosis of the spina

canal) and nerve impingement at more than one site).

First thing my good arthritis doc said was " neurosurgeon " and next thing I

said was " over my dead body and I will have to be unable to roll off the

guerney first. " So the MRI in my case, apparently was an eye opener for

things that existed that I had not clue about. Have spent the afternoon

doing some reading, etc, and the Dr and I decided to do an epidural as a

first step. I decided to do that rather than opt for taking hugh amounts of

pain medication and anti-inflamatories to stay mobile.

I note your concern about origin of things like this in the Lumbar and can

only say that from what I have initially read, weight is one factor among

many including age factor which seems to be about right on the money for me.

One site was saying that it tended to arise in the 5th decade (which I am

shortly about to leave) and the average age was about 58 or 59 when it

arose. I will be 59 in November.

You might want to consider the MRI as it does provide such detail for the

good medicos to base a specific evaluation on. I am glad I had mine, but

still trying to soak in the report.

Dan Slone

Surgery 5/2/2000

[Guest guest]

> " I eat a whopping load of natural and fake sugars each day with a potential

> speck of protein in it. I'm thinking the BB are natural, so not really

> sugar, and I believe what it says on the Detour labels because I wasn't here

> when there was a flurry of discussion on whether or not the labels are

> accurate. " (yep, you missed it. Natural sugar is still sugar--fires off

> cravings. The Detour/UTurn & One Way bars are reputed not to be accurately

> represented on the labels. More like 16g protein, 20g sugar is one report)

>

ME: I wanna say, in defense of BBs, that they are one of the lowest, if not

THE absolutely lowest, insulin spikers of the fruit kingdom as it pertains to

GI (glycemic index). Aside from which, in antioxidant value, you cannot get

anything more rich. They are antioxidant powerhouses. If you are going to

eat fruit at all (and we ALL should, however moderately or not), eat berries,

esp BB's. What pisses me off, and I'm not really surprised to read this,

is the possible mislabelling and misrepresentation on the Detour bars as it

pertains to their nutritional value, of which they may be not as advertised, but

of which they are not quite devoid. Here's something interesting, though:

sometimes after this typical lunch of mine, I get sleepy. Not nauseated, not

sweaty, not sick to my stomach in any way, just sleepy. Sound like mild

dumping perhaps? (Incidentally, I have yet to experience dumping in the

" classic sense " , meaning nauseous, sweaty, palpitations, weakness, etc.)

>

> " Since I started having an all sugar lunch that I thought was healthy, I've

> been having the Screaming Mimi Munchies in the evenings and can't see where

> I'm going wrong, based on what I think I see. " (yes, poor darling. You are.

> You are attending a fire with what you think is a water hose in your hand,

> and really pouring gasoline on it and the flames go berserk about 4 hours

> later & you are just starting to see a correlation and wondering if you're

> nuts or what)

ME: Well actually, this night munchies misery has not been evident from the

time I started eating this " sugar " lunch (it's more recent), which does not

in itself prove or disprove anything. ly, right now I am experiencing

some extremely stressful family problems, and I am not so sure what is a

biochemical reaction and what is an emotional/psychological reaction. But I

think

it would be interesting to play around with my diet and see how things

improve, if at all. One thing I have become absolutely convinced of, and I am

extremely grateful to being made aware of, is that what with my TT coming up on

the 8th, it would be prudent and in my own best interest to get in a protein

shake or two to boost healing, despite that fact that I find them not a joy to

consume tastewise.

So I want to say " thanks " , and that I could never be offended by someone who

is generous and kind enough to take the time and effort to give me the benefit

of their knowledge about something. I truly appreciate it.

Lucille

[Guest guest]

One thing I found for myself: the low-carb bars, which are loaded with

sugar alcohols (ultimately carbs that are alleged NOT to affect insulin levels),

made me incredibly gassy, VERY uncomfortably so. And as time went on (before

I figured out what was pumping up my GI track), I found I became even MORE

sensitive to their effects. I found out that sugar alcohols can actually stay

in your digestive system for days. This is probably old news to many on this

list. The Detour bars supposedly contain 12 grams of sugar alcohols (in the

form of the afore-mentioned dreaded glycerine), whereas many of the other

brands can have as high as 30 grams per bar. Unfortunatley, the sad reality is

that these sugar alcohols are almost impossible to avoid entirely if one wants

to have " sugar free " treats from time to time. Recently, on vacation, I had

some of that F/F S/F TCBY yogurt, and I would say within about a half hour I

was ready to lift off. So, I try to limit the amount of SGs I have each day

-- it makes for far less embarrassing contact with the outside world. Thanks

for your input Lyn.

Lucille

> All the best protein bars are fairly high in sugars and/or carbs -- for the

> insulin resistant, this leads to more carb cravings in many cases, and even

> if they don't cause this problem, the carbs are hanging around to make us

> fat, while the protein gets used up in good things like making blood and

> muscle and so forth.

>

> I've never tried the Grow bars. I like the Detours and UTurns and so on, but

> if I make a regular habit of them, I gain. For me personally, I'm better off

> eating some real food to get full and supplementing my protein with shakes.

>

> ~~ Lyn G

>

>

[Guest guest]

You know it's funny, cause the literature I've read so far states that weight

training increases appetite, whereas cardio is supposed to decrease it.

This isn't my personal experience either, . I only started Weight

Training

recently (Dec 02) and like you, it has had an amazing effect on my wellbeing

and physique. While I started WT for it's proven health benefits, it wasn't

very long (like maybe 3 months into it) that I saw REMARKABLE changes in my

musculature. Of course, I was thrilled. Your routine sounds extremely

demanding, and it is smart of you to have supervision. However, I would hate

someone who maybe didn't have access, either geographically or economically, to

a

gym or a PT etc., to forego WT for this reason. Speaking for myself, I loathe

gyms and do my workouts at home, including the WT. Not only is there a

wealth of info on the web, but a slew of books and tapes which are very helpful

for

the novice, and this is how I learned my routine (I am still learning.) I

would give the proviso to anyone to start out lifting light weights (for

females, maybe one lb, or three lbs at most), and concentrate intently on FORM,

and

not to bump up your weight or your reps until you are certain you are

performing each exercise properly. It really isn't too hard, and it's hard to

injure

oneself if approached in this way. However, I learned this the hard way as

my biggest problem in the beginning was not poor form but overtraining -- I

am just too alpha for my own good. I didn't injure any muscles, I just

exhausted myself and felt quite drained till I stopped pushing so hard and cut

back

a bit. Even so, while I am doing very well alone at home, I think I will

have to bite the bullet at some point and rejoin my local gym (it's actually an

excellent one), because I am not entirely satisfied with my lower body routine,

and gyms have the equipment advantage for sure.

It IS hard work, but the benefits are enormous.

Lucille

>>> My own experience is that really regimented, supervised weight-training is

> what makes my day for strong bones and excellent weight loss maintenance. I

> don't see how this works without weight-training. I did aerobics for years

> and it just made me hungry.

>

> I'm five years out and my weight maintenance is completely effortless. My

> weight-training is very, very hard work. It's what works for me.

>

> in Austin

> RNY April 1998

>

[Guest guest]

I am very glad to hear you are doing so well as a result of your revision,

and I am almost as glad to hear I am not the only anxiously disordered person

around!

Lucille

> Lucille, Don't worry..... I knew you weren't implying fault. We are BIG into

> blaming ourselves for everything. I was BIG into denial! Ask The Vita

> Gal....she was there when I was going through it. She knew....she knew, I

> knew....but that I wasn't ready to admit it. When it FINALLY hurt so bad I

> couldn't ignore things...well, I went and got fixed. Been NEW and IMPROVED

> for 2 1/2 years now. I get " twinges " now and then and start thinking...is

> this the twisted intestines others have talked about? OR....has my hiatle

> hernia come back....there are always things lurking in the back of my

> mind....WHAT else can go wrong? LOL I am not a hypochondriac...but I do have

> an anxiety disorder. LOL

>

> Debbie &

>

[Guest guest]

As to control: I guess what I really was trying to find out is if there is

something I am doing that I shouldn't be doing (what I can control), and I am

certainly learning that here. As to fault: my bad if I don't pay

attention.

Thanks again, .

Lucille

>>> Do I sound paranoid??? (I can answer this --- YES!)

> ********** aren't we all? There is no FAULT in this one, or a stretched (I

> prefer RELAXED) stoma, or a relaxed pouch, or a ring/band that erodes or,

> or, or......... There are a whole lot of mechanical failures for which we

> are not responsible and cannot control. WE can control suugar, grazing and

> protein intake. That's about it.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/31/2003 11:23:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,

DisDog@... writes:

made me incredibly gassy, VERY uncomfortably so.

I just realized why I was flying around the office the other day. It took a

while to see that it was the protein bars. All Gone.

Fay Bayuk

**300/166

10/23/01

Dr.

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[Guest guest]

Lucille, there are many anxiously disordered people around. LOL I love that

.... Anxiously disordered...HAHAHAHAHA good one! I am also directionally

challenged. Hehehehe

Debbie &

in Gig Harbor

(170cm medial)

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-----Original Message-----

From: DisDog@...

I am very glad to hear you are doing so well as a result of your revision,

and I am almost as glad to hear I am not the only anxiously disordered

person

around!

Lucille