Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 In a message dated 9/17/2003 4:42:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, watnext writes: > He also said obesity is a choice. Need I say more? I saw that and I thought he sounded like a complete idiot. Nothing that he suggested was the least bit new or even very accurate. He didn't want to hear anything about hormonal research, heredity, etc. It was all " Just stop doing xxxxx (whatever the person was doing) and you will change your life. " Well duhhhh, if it was that easy I would have done it a long time ago and so would everyone else here. What a butt. hugs, Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 > In a message dated 9/17/2003 4:42:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, watnext writes: > > > He also said obesity is a choice. Need I say more? Not only that, but we receive some payoff for being obese! I've been trying to figure out what that payoff could be, but just can't come up with one! Tigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 In a message dated 9/17/2003 5:35:30 PM Central Daylight Time, tigger57ri@... writes: > Not only that, but we receive some payoff for being obese! I've been > trying to figure out what that payoff could be, but just can't come > up with one! > ------------------------------------ I've been thru the mill with this one before. The main thrust of what we get out of being obese is that people just don't expect as much from us; we don't have to excel at anything, try harder at our jobs, etc. We aren't expected to adhere to as high standards as normies. And since people don't have high expectations for us, that allows us to indulge our basically lazy natures by just " getting by " .............. D'ya get it now? Carol A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 In a message dated 9/18/2003 4:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, tuesdynite@... writes: And since people don't have high expectations for us, that allows us to indulge our basically lazy natures by just " getting by " .............. D'ya get it now? Carol A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Carol Glad you straightened us out on that one. I was going to write " ROTFLMAO " but I am too angry for that. Maybe later. Fay Bayuk **300/166 10/23/01 Dr. Open RNY 150 cm Click for My Profile http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 What!!!???? I don't know about anyone else, but i have very high expectations for myself. Now ya did it... I'm pissed off!!!! Is that what he means by that? I also am NOT lazy! I work 6 days a week at a very intense job. Arrrggghhhhh!!!!!! All this time I've been trying to think logically and come up with a payoff and all it is is the same old bull crap.... you're just lazy and this justifies you to be lazy???!!!! This is NOT a good way to start my morning. Unfortunately, I DO get it now. Thanks for enlightening me. I'm so niaeve sometimes. Tigger (not jumping for joy) -- In Graduate-OSSG , fbayuk@a... wrote: > In a message dated 9/18/2003 4:19:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, > tuesdynite@a... writes: > And since people don't have high > expectations for us, that allows us to indulge our basically lazy natures by > just > " getting by " .............. D'ya get it now? > > Carol A > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > --------- > Carol Glad you straightened us out on that one. I was going to write > " ROTFLMAO " but I am too angry for that. Maybe later. > > > Fay Bayuk > **300/166 > 10/23/01 > Dr. > Open RNY 150 cm > Click for My Profile > http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 >All this time I've been trying > to think logically and come up with a payoff and all it is is the > same old bull crap.... I'd agree with you there, but there are other " payoffs, " emotional ones. For some of us, not everyone. How many of us have you heard of who were abused as children, or as adult women? The fat becomes a layer of protection. If I'm fat, I won't be attractive, and the men who want to hurt me will leave me alone. That one hasn't been my issue, but I hear it a lot, especially when these women find themselves suddenly attracting men again, and it makes them terribly uncomfortable. What Dr. Phil doesn't understand (and most of the diet gurus don't) is that, outside of instances like those, most of us are obese because our bodies don't work with insulin right. It has nothing to do with laziness, or willpower, or pushing away from the table sooner. It has to do with maintaining a chemical balance in our brains that keeps us on an even keel, and carbs do this for us in ways that drugs do it for others. That's a disease, and has nothing to do with seeking a payoff, intentionally or unintentionally. Until the medical community can wrap its brain around high carb, low fat = obesity for insulin resistant people, we will continue to grow wider, and the diet industry's pockets will grow deeper, and none of us will get the payoff we really need, which is good health. ~~ Lyn G (I heard just the other day that the diet industry spends more on advertising than all the food manufacturers in the country combined -- what does that tell us?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 <<How many of us have you heard of who were abused as children, or as adult women? The fat becomes a layer of protection. If I'm fat, I won't be attractive, and the men who want to hurt me will leave me alone. That one hasn't been my issue, but I hear it a lot, especially when these women find themselves suddenly attracting men again, and it makes them terribly uncomfortable.>> This is exactly right! And when " they " (that would have been " ME " ) find themselves suddenly attractive again, or maybe for the first time (me), they over-compensate, and become over-confident. That would have been me, as well. I thought I was the cutest thing in my little corner of the world, and I acted like it. Jac http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/XXXFARMPAINTS mail to: jholdaway@... Order a BRAT 2004 calendar today at: http://www.basenjirescue.org/calendarcontest/ Re: Re: Dr. Phil..... >All this time I've been trying > to think logically and come up with a payoff and all it is is the > same old bull crap.... I'd agree with you there, but there are other " payoffs, " emotional ones. For some of us, not everyone. How many of us have you heard of who were abused as children, or as adult women? The fat becomes a layer of protection. If I'm fat, I won't be attractive, and the men who want to hurt me will leave me alone. That one hasn't been my issue, but I hear it a lot, especially when these women find themselves suddenly attracting men again, and it makes them terribly uncomfortable. What Dr. Phil doesn't understand (and most of the diet gurus don't) is that, outside of instances like those, most of us are obese because our bodies don't work with insulin right. It has nothing to do with laziness, or willpower, or pushing away from the table sooner. It has to do with maintaining a chemical balance in our brains that keeps us on an even keel, and carbs do this for us in ways that drugs do it for others. That's a disease, and has nothing to do with seeking a payoff, intentionally or unintentionally. Until the medical community can wrap its brain around high carb, low fat = obesity for insulin resistant people, we will continue to grow wider, and the diet industry's pockets will grow deeper, and none of us will get the payoff we really need, which is good health. ~~ Lyn G (I heard just the other day that the diet industry spends more on advertising than all the food manufacturers in the country combined -- what does that tell us?) Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Amen to that! Sharon Ann Merritt Design With Merritt http://www.DesignWithMerritt.com http://www.eclecticacademy.com > unintentionally. Until the medical community can wrap its brain > around high > carb, low fat = obesity for insulin resistant people, we will continue to > grow wider, and the diet industry's pockets will grow deeper, and > none of us > will get the payoff we really need, which is good health. > > ~~ Lyn G > (I heard just the other day that the diet industry spends more on > advertising than all the food manufacturers in the country > combined -- what > does that tell us?) Sharon Ann Merritt Design With Merritt http://www.DesignWithMerritt.com http://www.eclecticacademy.com > Re: Re: Dr. Phil..... > > > >All this time I've been trying > > to think logically and come up with a payoff and all it is is the > > same old bull crap.... > > I'd agree with you there, but there are other " payoffs, " > emotional ones. For > some of us, not everyone. How many of us have you heard of who were abused > as children, or as adult women? The fat becomes a layer of protection. If > I'm fat, I won't be attractive, and the men who want to hurt me will leave > me alone. That one hasn't been my issue, but I hear it a lot, especially > when these women find themselves suddenly attracting men again, > and it makes > them terribly uncomfortable. > > What Dr. Phil doesn't understand (and most of the diet gurus > don't) is that, > outside of instances like those, most of us are obese because our bodies > don't work with insulin right. It has nothing to do with laziness, or > willpower, or pushing away from the table sooner. It has to do with > maintaining a chemical balance in our brains that keeps us on an > even keel, > and carbs do this for us in ways that drugs do it for others. That's a > disease, and has nothing to do with seeking a payoff, intentionally or > unintentionally. Until the medical community can wrap its brain > around high > carb, low fat = obesity for insulin resistant people, we will continue to > grow wider, and the diet industry's pockets will grow deeper, and > none of us > will get the payoff we really need, which is good health. > > ~~ Lyn G > (I heard just the other day that the diet industry spends more on > advertising than all the food manufacturers in the country > combined -- what > does that tell us?) > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 And this is sooo far from the truth. I had higher expectations of myself then most people I knew. I had to fight harder to get a job, keep a job, prove that I could do a job, etc. I realize a lot of people associate being fat as being lazy. If they only knew how much harder the body has to work with all of that extra weight on. The heart and lungs have to work harder, the muscles have to work harder, the bones are completely stressed out, well, you get the picture. I am one of those people who was convinced that I used the weight to keep men away. I guarantee you that it did more then keep men away. It kept everyone away. I wanted a life, a career, something more then just being a wife and a mother. But it was so much more then that. No amount of willpower, determination, diets could ever get me back to where I wanted to be. I tried so many things. I have the insulin resistent type of diabetes, undiagnosed hyperthyroidism, and a lack of sufficient serzone in the brain. Now ya think that might have had a contribruting factor? You bet. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas SRVG 7/16/01 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:18:53 EDT tuesdynite@... writes: > I've been thru the mill with this one before. The main thrust of > what we get > out of being obese is that people just don't expect as much from us; > we don't > have to excel at anything, try harder at our jobs, etc. We aren't > expected to > adhere to as high standards as normies. And since people don't have > high > expectations for us, that allows us to indulge our basically lazy > natures by just > " getting by " .............. D'ya get it now? > > Carol A > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 --On Thursday, September 18, 2003 4:20 PM +0000 Graduate-OSSG wrote: > I've been thru the mill with this one before. The main thrust of what we > get out of being obese is that people just don't expect as much from us; > we don't have to excel at anything, try harder at our jobs, etc. We > aren't expected to adhere to as high standards as normies. And since > people don't have high expectations for us, that allows us to indulge > our basically lazy natures by just " getting by " .............. D'ya get > it now? Great explanation Carol - I had wondered about this myself and now I understand. But I sure don't agree with it! ) It may be the way it is in some cases, but I know a lot of obese people who don't fit this profile (and several thin ones who do) - and it certainly wasn't mine. I have always been a very driven, active, hard-working person and it didn't really change when I was obese, just slowed me down a little. I was constantly referred to as " superwoman " by my friends because I did so much (still am). As a morbidly obese woman, I was involved in numerous clubs and organizations, held office in many of them, went back to college (a very prestigious, competitive college) and graduated recently with honors. I was well respected in my job and known as a hard worker. I didn't expect any less of myself because I was heavy, and refused to let others expect less of me. Unless, of course, they expected me to run ;o) About the *only* area in my life that I could not achieve in, was not successful in - and it wasn't for trying again and again - was my weight. It wasn't a choice for me to be obeseI, any more than it was my choice to be born a woman. It was, however, my choice to have surgery to remedy the situation. And I refuse to let anyone belittle that. I see my choice to have WLS not as the easy way out (because it is definitely not easy in any sense of the word) but as the successful way. Thanks for indulging my little rant ;o) Sally 298 (BMI 49)/-139/159 Goal: 145-150ish lap RNY 7/10/02 Dr. Quinlin/Pittsburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 --On Thursday, September 18, 2003 4:20 PM +0000 Graduate-OSSG wrote: > This is exactly right! And when " they " (that would have been " ME " ) find > themselves suddenly attractive again, or maybe for the first time (me), > they over-compensate, and become over-confident. That would have been me, > as well. I thought I was the cutest thing in my little corner of the > world, and I acted like it. Nothing wrong with that - After all, they say sex appeal is less about looks and more about attitude than anything! ) Sally 298 (BMI 49)/-139/159 Goal: 145-150ish lap RNY 7/10/02 Dr. Quinlin/Pittsburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Yeah, how silly of me. I keep forgetting about that one. Barbara Jean Re: Re: Dr. Phil..... > In a message dated 9/17/2003 5:35:30 PM Central Daylight Time, > tigger57ri@... writes: > > > Not only that, but we receive some payoff for being obese! I've been > > trying to figure out what that payoff could be, but just can't come > > up with one! > > ------------------------------------ > > I've been thru the mill with this one before. The main thrust of what we get > out of being obese is that people just don't expect as much from us; we don't > have to excel at anything, try harder at our jobs, etc. We aren't expected to > adhere to as high standards as normies. And since people don't have high > expectations for us, that allows us to indulge our basically lazy natures by just > " getting by " .............. D'ya get it now? > > Carol A > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 It makes me so sad that someone like Dr. Phil is so uninformed and close-minded about obesity. He is hurting a lot of people. Most of us on the list are being negatively effected in some way, and we have a wonderful support group in this list, and most of us have support groups we attend near our homes. Some of us are in therapy, some of us are on antidepressants. Many of us have done extensive research on the topic and have a whole lot of experience in dealing with it. I can hardly bear to think about the people who don't have all this and are exposed to his ignorance and self-righteousness. It is truly and abuse of power. Barbara Jean Re: Re: Dr. Phil..... > And this is sooo far from the truth. I had higher expectations > of myself then most people I knew. I had to fight harder to get a job, > keep a job, prove that I could do a job, etc. I realize a lot of people > associate being fat as being lazy. If they only knew how much harder the > body has to work with all of that extra weight on. The heart and lungs > have to work harder, the muscles have to work harder, the bones are > completely stressed out, well, you get the picture. > I am one of those people who was convinced that I used the weight > to keep men away. I guarantee you that it did more then keep men away. > It kept everyone away. I wanted a life, a career, something more then > just being a wife and a mother. But it was so much more then that. No > amount of willpower, determination, diets could ever get me back to where > I wanted to be. I tried so many things. I have the insulin resistent > type of diabetes, undiagnosed hyperthyroidism, and a lack of sufficient > serzone in the brain. Now ya think that might have had a contribruting > factor? You bet. > Lori Owen - Denton, Texas > SRVG 7/16/01 > Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:18:53 EDT tuesdynite@... writes: > > I've been thru the mill with this one before. The main thrust of > > what we get > > out of being obese is that people just don't expect as much from us; > > we don't > > have to excel at anything, try harder at our jobs, etc. We aren't > > expected to > > adhere to as high standards as normies. And since people don't have > > high > > expectations for us, that allows us to indulge our basically lazy > > natures by just > > " getting by " .............. D'ya get it now? > > > > Carol A > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 I know how everyone (except me) hates Stern - but even he has the lowdown on Dr. Phil he calls him that Charlatan! Marjie _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 I wasn't saying this is the TRUTH; just that it has long been an " official " explanation by the " experts " as to what " we " get out of being obese. I too was superwoman: raising 4 daughters (the 1st 3 born within 3 years) while working 12 and 14 hours a day, going to night school working on a degree in fluid power, serving on the local school board, chauffeuring the kids to innumerable " extracurricular " activities--and with a husband from the " old country " who didn't believe that the man of the house should pitch in and help with anything. He brought home a paycheck and that was ALL he did. I always got rapid promotions at my jobs, but had a knack for hooking up with companies that either moved out of state, or ran into financial trouble and laid off half their workforce, etc. Don't think I ever managed to stay in one place more than 6 or 7 years, and even tho those things were beyond my control, it started to FEEL like it was somehow my fault. And whatever expectations OTHERS may have had for me, I generally believed that becuz of my weight, I had to try harder, work longer, be smarter, more creative, productive, whatever. Deep down inside, I never felt that I was quite good enuf. For anyone or anything. Carol A ---------------------------------- In a message dated 9/18/2003 11:51:53 AM Central Daylight Time, sstewart@... writes: > Graduate-OSSG wrote: > > >I've been thru the mill with this one before. The main thrust of what we > >get out of being obese is that people just don't expect as much from us; > >we don't have to excel at anything, try harder at our jobs, etc. We > >aren't expected to adhere to as high standards as normies. And since > >people don't have high expectations for us, that allows us to indulge > >our basically lazy natures by just " getting by " .............. D'ya get > >it now? > > Great explanation Carol - I had wondered about this myself and now I > understand. But I sure don't agree with it! ) It may be the way it is > in some cases, but I know a lot of obese people who don't fit this profile > (and several thin ones who do) - and it certainly wasn't mine. I have > always been a very driven, active, hard-working person and it didn't really > change when I was obese, just slowed me down a little. I was constantly > referred to as " superwoman " by my friends because I did so much (still am). > As a morbidly obese woman, I was involved in numerous clubs and > organizations, held office in many of them, went back to college (a very > prestigious, competitive college) and graduated recently with honors. I > was well respected in my job and known as a hard worker. I didn't expect > any less of myself because I was heavy, and refused to let others expect > less of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 So, you think he's taking the challenge? Lori Owen - Denton, Texas SRVG 7/16/01 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:02:12 +0000 nosophist1@... writes: > It just gets better and better (sarcasm!). Monday starts his " Weight > Loss > Challenge " . > > http://www.drphil.com/weightloss/weightloss_show.jhtml?contentId=2001_wlc ..xml > > -- > Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 In a message dated 9/17/2003 5:35:40 PM Central Standard Time, tigger57ri@... writes: He also said obesity is a choice. Need I say more? Not only that, but we receive some payoff for being obese! I've been trying to figure out what that payoff could be, but just can't come up with one! Not being able to wipe my backside is a real turn on for me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 --On Friday, September 19, 2003 1:34 PM +0000 Graduate-OSSG wrote: > I wasn't saying this is the TRUTH; just that it has long been an > " official " explanation by the " experts " as to what " we " get out of being > obese. Carol - I totally got that - I knew those weren't your words - sorry if it came across otherwise. I was just saying it doesn't seem to hold true - in my case, or yours, or many others I know of. It just irritates me when these smug psychologists think they have some complex issue all figured out with a simple proclamation like this. Just because it's true in some of the cases doesn't mean it's true in all of them (or even, maybe, most of them!). Sally 298 (BMI 49)/-139/159 Goal: 145-150ish lap RNY 7/10/02 Dr. Quinlin/Pittsburgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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