Re: Confused sometimes. Where does food fit in to my life?

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In a message dated 10/4/03 2:23:34 PM Central Daylight Time,

GirlFightKungFu@... writes:

> I train about 5 days a week in Martial arts. Run 2-4 miles about 3-4 times

> a week and weight train 3 days a week. I am very active. Here is my

> problem.

> I think about food all the time. For so long I was worried i wasn;t

> getting enough to sustain myself for my level of activity now I wonder if I

> am

> getting to much. Realistcly I probably get 1500-2000 calories a day. The

> last

> month I have been on a serious peanut butter kick. Yesterday I was so worn

> out from the week of training I had I sat around, watched TV and chowed.

>

I think that you are obsessing over food because you are HUNGRY!!!

There is no way that your body can function well on only 1500 to 2000 calories

with that much physical activity. If you're working out for 4 hours per day,

you just plain need more fuel. Your body is giving you the signal that it

needs more. I don't think that this is just " head hunger " or emotional eating.

Just my opinion, of course.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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You didn't say how much protein you get in supplement form to help you with

all that body busy.

That will help sustain you in those areas, AND reduce carb cravings. You

have to plan a carb for after your major work-outs, though. Since we can't

do recovery drinks (50g sugar?), plan for a sandwich or some safe carb. I

want every Twinkie in this state, and I do about as hearty a work out as a

newborn kitten. Half a ham sandwich is a MUCH better choice.

If you graze, you get your wt back. I don't care if it's " healthy " food. If

you graze, you gain. You have to make your own plan. I get 4 feedings. They

can be snacks or meals, but not 4 meals AND snacks. I eat all normal foods,

but milk & sugar. Unless pasta is a trigger food for you, having it now &

then is fine. Good. I love pasta. I can eat it now & then, but if I make a

batch of angel hair spaghetti, I will make it 2 of my 4 per day until gone.

LOL! And I like it with bread.

I go to a lot of trouble NOT to feel bad about food. Like you, I want to be

in charge. If I overeat, I feel miserable, no need for guilt there. LOL! If

I get stupid and think I can eat sugar (refer to Peeps Incident), I gain wt.

No guilt needed, built -in consequence. See?

But noooooooooooo, milk, nooooooooo sugar. And I do 6+ protein shakes per

day.

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Confused sometimes. Where does food fit in to my

life?

> Hi everyone, my name is Missie. I had surgery a year ago last month and

have

> lost somewhere between 170-175. Life is completly different for me now.

> Before when I weighed 334 life was miserable. Tieing my own shoes was a

task. I

> hated being alive. Now at about 160 life in wonderfull. I am now an

> Assistant Martial Arts instructor and not to brag but probably on of the

best women

> fighters in the area as far as Black Belt Point Sparring goes. I train

about 5

> days a week in Martial arts. Run 2-4 miles about 3-4 times a week and

weight

> train 3 days a week. I am very active. Here is my problem.

> I think about food all the time. For so long I was worried i wasn;t

> getting enough to sustain myself for my level of activity now I wonder if

I am

> getting to much. Realistcly I probably get 1500-2000 calories a day.

The last

> month I have been on a serious peanut butter kick. Yesterday I was so

worn

> out from the week of training I had I sat around, watched TV and chowed.

> Grtanted, even if I overeat now it is probably only equivalent to a normal

persons

> food for the day but I still feel bad. Noramally I eat very low carb

using

> atkins products. I have been drink coffee but have just since yesterday

switched

> to decaf. How do I associate with food? How do I learn to enjoy it

without

> feeling guilty? Is it OK to have a lounge around and snack day? I just

want

> to be normal without gaining. I also ate some pasta last night which is

the

> first time I have eaten a large portion of carbs and I felt guilty. What

> should I be doing when I am working out like 4 hours a day?

> I also had a fluctuation in my weight. I dropped real low, like

156-158,

> then within a week bounced up to 165, at the doctor I weighed 164. I

havn't

> weighed since. I just feel kinda lost. How do I just be happy? How do I

> learn to enjoy food, not think about it constantly and just live my new

life? I

> don;t want to obsess.

>

> Thanks

> Missie

>

> PS. Alos what is proper portions for this far out RNY. I can eat a

whole

> medium low carb pancacke /w PB. Or like a low carb grilled cheese with 2

> slices of small bread. I can eat a whole cup or mug of spaghetti sause.

All in

> different settings of course. What is normal??

>

>

>

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In a message dated 10/4/2003 11:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vitalady@... writes:

And I do 6+ protein shakes per

day.

==============================================

I truly admire you and I think this is the first time I have

differed from you. To me 4 meals and 6 protein shakes a day is still grazing.

I

believe that you are like me in that you need something in the stomach more than

3 squares a day. In the strictest sense this is grazing. One thing about

long termers who maintain their loss, is that each has developed " what works "

for

them. The problems only arise when " what works " and " what is healthy " differ.

I am proud to be part of a board that is so diverse in all ways, including

eating plan.

Fay Bayuk

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When I train hard, I think about food all of the time, too. I don't

know if people on this board pay much attention to me because I spout

off all of the time, but when I train I talk about food all of the

time.

The good thing is, I don't talk about Doritos or ice cream. I think

I make people on this board sick talking about chopped broccoli mixed

with high quality yogurt and a little salt. I had a serious zuchinni

mixed w/ stewed tomatoes phase, and a really, in retrospect

disgusting, non-fat cottage cheese phase. Oh, yeah, and then there

was the chard.

I have discovered what is to work hard and to " feed your body " .

Powerful. Not a pacifyier, but FUEL.

You go girl!!!

Vicki

> In a message dated 10/4/03 2:23:34 PM Central Daylight Time,

> GirlFightKungFu@a... writes:

>

> > I train about 5 days a week in Martial arts. Run 2-4 miles about

3-4 times

> > a week and weight train 3 days a week. I am very active. Here

is my

> > problem.

> > I think about food all the time. For so long I was worried i

wasn;t

> > getting enough to sustain myself for my level of activity now I

wonder if I

> > am

> > getting to much. Realistcly I probably get 1500-2000 calories a

day. The

> > last

> > month I have been on a serious peanut butter kick. Yesterday I

was so worn

> > out from the week of training I had I sat around, watched TV and

chowed.

> >

>

>

> I think that you are obsessing over food because you are

HUNGRY!!!

> There is no way that your body can function well on only 1500 to

2000 calories

> with that much physical activity. If you're working out for 4

hours per day,

> you just plain need more fuel. Your body is giving you the signal

that it

> needs more. I don't think that this is just " head hunger " or

emotional eating.

> Just my opinion, of course.

>

> Beth

> Houston, TX

> VBG - Dr. Srungaram

> 05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

> 11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

> 11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

> 5'10 "

>

>

>

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Well, not exactly.

I do protein often just before a meal to blunt my appetite. My " meals " are not

always meals. Half an apple might be one. I don't use the word snack very

often. Just because in my mind, that implied I'd get 4 meals PLUS a snack.

Feedings would be more accurate. At the most 2 are actual meals, 2 are just

enough to take pills.

I only do 4 because that's how many sets of pills I do. My rule is I take pills

when I eat, and I eat when I take pills. No pills, no food. They work well to

govern each other.

I'm a volume eater, so breaking into the 4 is enough of a challenge. sigh

Grazing is like leaving a box of crackers on the counter or taking them to your

deck. A bite every few minutes vs a portion every few hours.

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Re: Confused sometimes. Where does food fit in to my

life?

In a message dated 10/4/2003 11:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vitalady@... writes:

And I do 6+ protein shakes per

day.

==============================================

I truly admire you and I think this is the first time I have differed

from you. To me 4 meals and 6 protein shakes a day is still grazing. I believe

that you are like me in that you need something in the stomach more than 3

squares a day. In the strictest sense this is grazing. One thing about long

termers who maintain their loss, is that each has developed " what works " for

them. The problems only arise when " what works " and " what is healthy " differ.

I am proud to be part of a board that is so diverse in all ways, including

eating plan.

Fay Bayuk

**300/166

10/23/01

Dr.

Open RNY 150 cm

Click for My Profile

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I totally agree with . I know the old 2 squares is what got

me obese in the first place, and kept me that way. But, I'm also a

volume eater. Maybe that's why it works for me, too. It seems like

I eat constantly throughout the day, but I will never let myself get

so hungry that I'll overeat at one setting...well, at least I try not

to. We're all so different, though, so what works for one may be

considered grazing for another. The best we can do is to find what

works best for each of us.

in NJ

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> Well, not exactly.

>

> I do protein often just before a meal to blunt my appetite.

My " meals " are not always meals. Half an apple might be one. I don't

use the word snack very often. Just because in my mind, that implied

I'd get 4 meals PLUS a snack. Feedings would be more accurate. At

the most 2 are actual meals, 2 are just enough to take pills.

>

> I only do 4 because that's how many sets of pills I do. My rule is

I take pills when I eat, and I eat when I take pills. No pills, no

food. They work well to govern each other.

>

> I'm a volume eater, so breaking into the 4 is enough of a

challenge. sigh

>

> Grazing is like leaving a box of crackers on the counter or taking

them to your deck. A bite every few minutes vs a portion every few

hours.

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

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Ah, too early in the AM...that's supposed to be " 3 " squares, but you

guys probably realized that, anyway. )

in NJ

************************

> I know the old 2 squares is what got me obese in the first place

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Interesting thread here... I guess we each need to define for ourselves

what grazing is. To me " grazing " is picking. Snacking without it being

planned, when I start to lose track. It can be one simple pretzel. But the

problem is for me, one pretzel will lead to another later and another and

another.

When I was following a successful hypogylcemic diet and losing weight and

feeling terrific about 20 years ago, I was eating 8 " meals " a day. But a

meal was planned. It wasn't picking. for example 1 ounce of turkey breast

and 1/2 slice special whole grain bread from health food store was a meal.

Grazing is when I am not keeping track of my eating.

I am curious to know what others define as grazing for them.

from NJ

Re: Confused sometimes. Where does food fit in to

my life?

> In a message dated 10/4/2003 11:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> vitalady@... writes:

> And I do 6+ protein shakes per

> day.

> ==============================================

>

> I truly admire you and I think this is the first time I have

> differed from you. To me 4 meals and 6 protein shakes a day is still

grazing. I

> believe that you are like me in that you need something in the stomach

more than

> 3 squares a day. In the strictest sense this is grazing. One thing about

> long termers who maintain their loss, is that each has developed " what

works " for

> them. The problems only arise when " what works " and " what is healthy "

differ.

>

> I am proud to be part of a board that is so diverse in all ways, including

> eating plan.

>

>

> Fay Bayuk

> **300/166

> 10/23/01

> Dr.

> Open RNY 150 cm

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>

>

>

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> I am curious to know what others define as grazing for them.

For me, it's eating mindlessly. If I have a bowl of food, even healthy food,

within reach, and I nibble on it without thinking -- I've gone through a

whole can of nuts, for example, instead of a single serving. When it was

really bad, I was going through nearly a pound of candy a day, one piece at

a time, over hours -- never enough at one time to dump, but enough to pack

on the pounds. Nowadays I don't keep food near the computer. I will bring a

meal on a plate to the desk, but I don't keep anything munchable around

after that meal is finished.

Grazing is also wandering through the kitchen, looking for something to

munch on, rather than getting real with one good protein meal. A taste of

this, a nibble of that, nothing to get full on, and no real beginning or end

to the eating, as there should be with a meal. Opening the fridge 18 times,

even though I know nothing has changed since last time. This is when I need

some real nutrition, or something to do. Boredom is terribly linked with

grazing, for me.

~~ Lyn G

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.. Opening the fridge 18 times,

> even though I know nothing has changed since last time.

WOW ..... I thought I was the only one who did this! When I find myself

doing it I know there is a problem whether I get something out of it or not.

But what is it psychologically about this opening the refrigerator and

checking it.

And when I was first married, whenever I went to back home to my parents'

the first thing I did was to open the refrigerator and look. Just look.

Anyone else do this?

from NJ

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This reminds me of a friend of mine who would literally eat 5 or 6 times

a day. I might add she has never had a weight problem. She would take

her meals and divide them up over 5 or 6 meals. For instance, she might

have 2 ounces of chicken and some rice for lunch and an apple at about

2:30. Then she would have a small chef salad for dinner and maybe 1/2

cup of soup later in the evening. I would never consider what she did

as grazing. I always figured she just couldn't eat a lot at one time and

spread it out over the day.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 23:05:21 -0700 " Vitalady "

writes:

> Well, not exactly.

>

> I do protein often just before a meal to blunt my appetite. My

> " meals " are not always meals. Half an apple might be one. I don't

> use the word snack very often. Just because in my mind, that

> implied I'd get 4 meals PLUS a snack. Feedings would be more

> accurate. At the most 2 are actual meals, 2 are just enough to take

> pills.

>

> I only do 4 because that's how many sets of pills I do. My rule is I

> take pills when I eat, and I eat when I take pills. No pills, no

> food. They work well to govern each other.

>

> I'm a volume eater, so breaking into the 4 is enough of a challenge.

> sigh

>

> Grazing is like leaving a box of crackers on the counter or taking

> them to your deck. A bite every few minutes vs a portion every few

> hours.

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Vitalady, Inc. T

> www.vitalady.com

>

> If you are interested in PayPal, please click here:

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>

> Re: Confused sometimes. Where does food

> fit in to my life?

>

>

> In a message dated 10/4/2003 11:08:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> vitalady@... writes:

> And I do 6+ protein shakes per

> day.

> ==============================================

>

> I truly admire you and I think this is the first time I

> have differed from you. To me 4 meals and 6 protein shakes a day is

> still grazing. I believe that you are like me in that you need

> something in the stomach more than 3 squares a day. In the

> strictest sense this is grazing. One thing about long termers who

> maintain their loss, is that each has developed " what works " for

> them. The problems only arise when " what works " and " what is

> healthy " differ.

>

> I am proud to be part of a board that is so diverse in all ways,

> including eating plan.

>

>

> Fay Bayuk

> **300/166

> 10/23/01

> Dr.

> Open RNY 150 cm

> Click for My Profile

>

> http://obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=Bayuk951061008

>

>

>

>

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Grandparents, but long ago. Yes, straight into the front door, cookie jar

first, then frig. Look on the table for fresh fruit (my mom never had it in

the house)

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Re: Confused sometimes. Where does food fit in to

my life?

> . Opening the fridge 18 times,

> > even though I know nothing has changed since last time.

>

>

> WOW ..... I thought I was the only one who did this! When I find myself

> doing it I know there is a problem whether I get something out of it or

not.

> But what is it psychologically about this opening the refrigerator and

> checking it.

> And when I was first married, whenever I went to back home to my parents'

> the first thing I did was to open the refrigerator and look. Just look.

>

> Anyone else do this?

>

> from NJ

>

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This has been a really interesting thread to read, especially

considering I've been having food " issues " recently -- boyfriend

broke up with me, school started again and is really busy, supposed

to be working on my thesis, and just got laid off from the part-time

job that was supposed to be paying the bills.

I've been finding that nothing sounds good, very little tastes good

(with the exception of cookies for some reason, which I'm usually

really good about staying away from), and I'm at the fridge about

every 15 minutes to see if something inspires me.

I know I'm not getting my protein (not into the shakes, bleah! )

and what seems appealing or tastes good are starchy carbs which I

know are bad for me (and what I always used to turn to). I'm really

afraid about gaining weight (just started back at the gym after about

six weeks of not being able to fit it into my schedule), and not sure

what to do to get my brain and body out of this funk.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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