Re: Re: 34 hour yogurt...?

[Guest guest]

It's more than 30 hours.

34 hours is fine.

In my version of BTVC, Elaine recommends fermenting french cream, for example,

from 24-48 hours.

Doubtless that was changed in later editions, but the point stands.

Mara

> It's about 30 hours, but you can still use it in recipes. It may not be as

potent of a probiotic, but still safe for cooking, ice cream...

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> I've done this too.

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>> I forget when the absolute cuttoff is for leaving your yogurt too long? I

forgot to put it in the fridge last night so it's been 34 hours. UGH!!!!

>> -Joanna

>> SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 30mg Prednisone

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But Mara is 24-48 hours okay because it's just cream? I remember always used to say that over 30 hours and you don't know what is growing in there anymore. She is the one that taught Marilyn so I wonder on that one. Any thoughts? Katy

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> Think about how bacteria replicate in yogurt- by splitting in two. So a

bacterial culture will double at intervals ( don't know how often). They consume

lactose in the process. Around 24 hours at the designated temperature ( around

100 degrees) they will replicate enough times to consume all the lactose. This

is when SCD yogurt becomes legal. We also need enough live bacteria to replenish

our guts.

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> If the temperature is too low, then replication slows down and all the lactose

is not consumed. If it is too high, some of the bacteria will die. Now if the

yogurt is fermented too long, the bacteria will start to die off from lack of

lactose- there will simply be too many of them because as they replicate, the

population doubles. Once the yogurt is put in the fridge after 24 hours,

replication continues but at a much slower rate, so they survive longer in the

fridge.

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> From what I recall, this happens after about 30 hours.

Yeah, but they don't all collapse. There is still good bacteria, but after a

while there is less of it.

The yogurt is still fine to eat. Though I wouldn't go past 40 hours or so.

> Now remember, there is some variability in all this, and they don't all die

off at once.

> In general, 34 hour yogurt may have lost some potency as some of the bacteria

may have died off, but it is probably still OK. You may want to use a legal

probiotic supplement if using yogurt that has been fermented longer than 30

hours?

> PJ

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>> But Mara is 24-48 hours okay because it's just cream? I remember

always used to say that over 30 hours and you don't know what is growing in

there anymore. She is the one that taught Marilyn so I wonder on that one. Any

thoughts? Katy

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> But Mara is 24-48 hours okay because it's just cream?

Since cream has less lactose, and Elaine's recipe calls for greater amount of

yogurt starter, what's

to keep feeding it?

> I remember always used to say that over 30 hours and you don't know

what is growing in there anymore. She is the one that taught Marilyn so I

wonder on that one. Any thoughts? Katy

What's her source? I'll be happy to believe this if I see a scientific

explanation for it.

Surely we don't believe there is spontaneous generation of pathogenic bacteria?

Although I suppose, theoretically, it could evolve out of the acidophilus. I

wonder how

frequently that happens.

If bad stuff is in there, it's in there and replicating from the beginning. And

it, too,

needs something to feed on.

Mara

[Guest guest]

At 10:00 AM 6/10/2010, you wrote:

I remember always used to

say that over 30 hours and you don't know what is growing in there

anymore. She is the one that taught Marilyn so I wonder on that

one. Any thoughts?

In general, you could have something questionable in there after 30 hours

or so, but more to the point, your yogurt won't last as long in the

fridge if you go more than 24-28 hours.

I'm entirely too impatient with my yogurt, so the likelihood of

forgetting it and hitting 30+ hours in this household is slim to

none.

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Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Marilyn, correct me if I'm wrong but Lucy told me that Elaine said the yogurt could go 24-30 hours???? I almost want to say she said 34 but I'd have to call her back.UC-C 12/09SCD 1/10Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-)On Jun 12, 2010, at 2:01 AM, "Wizop Marilyn L. Alm" wrote:

At 10:00 AM 6/10/2010, you wrote:

I remember always used to

say that over 30 hours and you don't know what is growing in there

anymore. She is the one that taught Marilyn so I wonder on that

one. Any thoughts?

In general, you could have something questionable in there after 30 hours

or so, but more to the point, your yogurt won't last as long in the

fridge if you go more than 24-28 hours.

I'm entirely too impatient with my yogurt, so the likelihood of

forgetting it and hitting 30+ hours in this household is slim to

none.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

From Elaine's website: 4. What happens if I leave it in too long?Up to 29 hours is fine, but after 30 hours, it starts to kill the good bacteria. After 36 hours, it will not last as long in the refrigerator.

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At 09:07 AM 6/12/2010, you wrote:

Thanks Marilyn! My problem is

that I am in the routine of making it in the evening which means that it

is usually 10 or 11pm when I am groggy and going to bed the next night,

and somehow have to remember to put it in the fridge...

Ugh.

Yeah, been there, done that. (Doing yogurt in the evening....) Put a

piece of paper with YOGURT!!! on your pillow when you get up in the

morning, and then you can't go to bed without seeing it.

<g> Of course, this presupposes that you are awake enough in the

morning to put the paper there....

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Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

At 09:18 AM 6/12/2010, you wrote:

Marilyn, correct me if I'm wrong

but Lucy told me that Elaine said the yogurt could go 24-30 hours???? I

almost want to say she said 34 but I'd have to call her

back.

I know Elaine said 24-30 hours. I do not recall 34. In general, you

don't want to ferment too long because the good bacteria run out of

lactose for food and you get no additional benefits by a longer

fermentation.

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Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

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> From Elaine's website: 4. What happens if I leave it in too long?

> Up to 29 hours is fine, but after 30 hours, it starts to kill the good

> bacteria. After 36 hours, it will not last as long in the refrigerator.

Yeah - but the point is, it's not dire and worth throwing out and

not eating and wild fermentation doesn't occur spontaneously.

You just have to use it up more quickly.

Mara

[Guest guest]

hehehe, I have problems like this too. One night I made up a batch of yogurt all perfectly but forgot to plug in the yogurtmaker >:-/ hehehe... you can imagine my disappointment the next night. and self reproach! hehehe

best!

 

Thanks Marilyn! My problem is that I am in the routine of making it in the evening which means that it is usually 10 or 11pm when I am groggy and going to bed the next night, and somehow have to remember to put it in the fridge... Ugh.

-Joanna

> >I remember always used to say that over 30

> >hours and you don't know what is growing in

> >there anymore. She is the one that taught

> >Marilyn so I wonder on that one. Any thoughts?

>

> In general, you could have something questionable

> in there after 30 hours or so, but more to the

> point, your yogurt won't last as long in the

> fridge if you go more than 24-28 hours.

>

> I'm entirely too impatient with my yogurt, so the

> likelihood of forgetting it and hitting 30+ hours

> in this household is slim to none.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> Babette the Foundling Beagle

>