Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I want to know because I made some beet kvass from the Nourishing Traditions cookbook recipe. I use it, and my SCD daughter wanted some too. The recipe is just chopped beets soaked in water with a little whey and sea salt. Beets are legal (yay!), but whey is not indicated anywhere on the list. I let her have some, and she likes the kvass a lot ( yay again!), but I wonder if she'll have a reaction due to the whey used for fermentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Whey is legal (IF it's from your homemade SCD yogurt), and beets are legal, and beet kvass is legal. I seem to remember Elaine saying fermented vegetables are advanced but I can't find the page anymore. I did find this about Kimchi, which is fermented/pickled vegetables: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/Kimchi.htm I personally did not try any fermented vegetables in the early stages of SCD, but now eat them every day. I love the beet kvass. I find them beneficial, but carefully watch your daughter to see if she has any reaction (good or bad) to them Kat > > I want to know because I made some beet kvass from the Nourishing Traditions cookbook recipe. I use it, and my SCD daughter wanted some too. The recipe is just chopped beets soaked in water with a little whey and sea salt. Beets are legal (yay!), but whey is not indicated anywhere on the list. > > I let her have some, and she likes the kvass a lot ( yay again!), but I wonder if she'll have a reaction due to the whey used for fermentation. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I let her have some, and she likes the kvass a lot ( yay again!), but I wonder if she'll have a reaction due to the whey used for fermentation.I think whey is legal if you drip it from SCD yogurt. Otherwise it probably has lactose it. Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 22.5 mg 1x per day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I just want to clarify that one does not consume the beets when drinking the beet kvass. After soaking for 2days, you strain the beets out of the water. What she's drinking is basically cultured purple water. Thanks for the tips. Regarding whey, to clarify what I did, I dripped the whey out of the bottom of non-scd yogurt (just because I wanted to make the kvass for myself only . . . at first). So yes, I'll be on the lookout for reactions. Regarding Elaine's comments on the quality of whey protein, I must disagree. Whey protein (drinking fresh whey, particularly) is very high quality protein. It is higher than anything in Branched-Chain Amino Acids, which help the body create Glutathione, a key internal antioxidant! Thanks > > > I let her have some, and she likes the kvass a lot ( yay again!), > > but I wonder if she'll have a reaction due to the whey used for > > fermentation. > > > I think whey is legal if you drip it from SCD yogurt. Otherwise it > probably has lactose it. > > Cheers! > Alyssa 16 yo > UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008 > SCD June 2009 (restarted) > Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per day > Prednisone 22.5 mg 1x per day > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Plus, the stench in the river from dairy farmers pouring whey in the river probably WAS from bacterial growth in the river--bacteria that our little ones need much more of in their tummies, but which that river probably didn't need more of. > > > > > I let her have some, and she likes the kvass a lot ( yay again!), > > > but I wonder if she'll have a reaction due to the whey used for > > > fermentation. > > > > > > I think whey is legal if you drip it from SCD yogurt. Otherwise it > > probably has lactose it. > > > > Cheers! > > Alyssa 16 yo > > UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008 > > SCD June 2009 (restarted) > > Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per day > > Prednisone 22.5 mg 1x per day > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 As far as I can tell from wikipedia, and other online sources, and Elaine's comments on her website, whey is only found as a by-product of cheese production, meaning whey won't appear unless you are using milk/cream and rennett. The liquid we see when making or dripping our yogurt isn't whey, but is water of hydrolysis. Whey contains lactose. So you probably won't want to give your daughter on SCD the beet kvass that includes whey. I don't remember seeing that recipe in Nourishing Traditions to know what type of whey was used, I'm guessing a powder? And how long you let it ferment? Difficult to know how much lactose might be remaining in the beet kvass after you let it ferment. So, problematic. There could be some issues for your daughter after several servings, but there also might not be a problem if her symptoms are improving. I'd label it " use at your own risk. " Kim M. SCD 6 years > > I want to know because I made some beet kvass from the Nourishing Traditions cookbook recipe. I use it, and my SCD daughter wanted some too. The recipe is just chopped beets soaked in water with a little whey and sea salt. Beets are legal (yay!), but whey is not indicated anywhere on the list. > > I let her have some, and she likes the kvass a lot ( yay again!), but I wonder if she'll have a reaction due to the whey used for fermentation. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 As far as I can tell from wikipedia, and other online sources, and Elaine's comments on her website, whey is only found as a by-product of cheese production, meaning whey won't appear unless you are using milk/cream and rennett. The liquid we see when making or dripping our yogurt isn't whey, but is water of hydrolysis. Whey contains lactose.So you probably won't want to give your daughter on SCD the beet kvass that includes whey. I don't remember seeing that recipe in Nourishing Traditions to know what type of whey was used, I'm guessing a powder? I think you can use the 'water of hydrolysis' from our yogurt in place of whey in any of the NT recipes. I've seen a lot of people do that on blogs and such. Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 22.5 mg 1x per day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 At 10:09 AM 6/8/2010, you wrote: I want to know because I made some beet kvass from the Nourishing Traditions cookbook recipe. I use it, and my SCD daughter wanted some too. The recipe is just chopped beets soaked in water with a little whey and sea salt. Beets are legal (yay!), but whey is not indicated anywhere on the list. I let her have some, and she likes the kvass a lot ( yay again!), but I wonder if she'll have a reaction due to the whey used for fermentation. In general, WHEY is not legal because it's the leftovers from cheese making, and is an inferior protein. If you are speaking of yogurt drippings, which I assume you are, since you're talking about making fermented kvass per Nourishing Traditions, then yes, it is, although it is not recommended that you drink the dripping -- just use a few tablespoons as a starter. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Babette the Foundling Beagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 At 12:05 PM 6/8/2010, you wrote: Regarding Elaine's comments on the quality of whey protein, I must disagree. Whey protein (drinking fresh whey, particularly) is very high quality protein. It is higher than anything in Branched-Chain Amino Acids, which help the body create Glutathione, a key internal antioxidant! I suspect that this is the difference between homemade good stuff, and commercial whey protein crap. Be aware, however, that the whey (or water of hydrolysis) from yogurt is not tolerated by everyone. Many people drip their yogurt to get rid of it, so they can tolerate the yogurt. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Babette the Foundling Beagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Is the water of hydrolysis just as effective as whey? For my non scd family i'v been soaking all their grains in what I thought was whey? I also use it for my beans.UC-C 12/09SCD 1/10Daily, CLO, Magnesium, bromelain, acidophilus Mom of 2 crazy monkeys :-) As far as I can tell from wikipedia, and other online sources, and Elaine's comments on her website, whey is only found as a by-product of cheese production, meaning whey won't appear unless you are using milk/cream and rennett. The liquid we see when making or dripping our yogurt isn't whey, but is water of hydrolysis. Whey contains lactose.So you probably won't want to give your daughter on SCD the beet kvass that includes whey. I don't remember seeing that recipe in Nourishing Traditions to know what type of whey was used, I'm guessing a powder? I think you can use the 'water of hydrolysis' from our yogurt in place of whey in any of the NT recipes. I've seen a lot of people do that on blogs and such. Cheers!Alyssa 16 yo UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)Azathioprine 75 mg 1x per dayPrednisone 22.5 mg 1x per day Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (7) Recent Activity: New Members 11 New Files 3 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Get great advice about dogs and cats. Visit the Dog & Cat Answers Center. Hobbies & Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 At 09:59 PM 6/8/2010, you wrote: Is the water of hydrolysis just as effective as whey? For my non scd family i'v been soaking all their grains in what I thought was whey? I also use it for my beans. " Water of hydrolysis " is the " whey " or the drippings from drained yogurt. If that's what you're using, then that's fine. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Babette the Foundling Beagle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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