To fruit or not to fruit?

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I'm about 5 months SCD and am still on a very restricted diet of meat + green

beans, zucchini/squash, asparagus, spinach/greens only. I do not tolerate any

nuts or dairy.

All symptoms seem to point to a long-standing overgrowth of candida, and I am

going on faith that this is what I need to tackle for now. Regarding this, I am

trying to figure out--should I eat fruit or not?

Most candida-focused resources encourage you to eliminate fruit, but BTVC does

not. Then there are the various stages of SCD candida diet posted on the

" files " page of this group. For my first three months on SCD, I eliminated

fruit totally, but ended up with " ketone breath, " which my doctor told me was

the result of my body moving to digest differently in the absence of

carbohydrates. She recommended I add some fruit to avoid this. Is that a bad

thing? Where can I find more information about this phenomenon?

If I eat a peeled, cooked apple or pear first thing in the morning, I feel

fine--no symptoms. If I eat fruit any other time of day, or drink apple or pear

juice, I feel very fatigued immediately.

Any experience or wisdom you can share about the " fruit debate " would be most

welcome.

Also, one other thing-- can anyone point me to real, scientific information that

shows how drinking coffee or caffeine contributes to candida overgrowth?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Fruit

is one of the yeast trigger foods, but fruit also provides essential vitamins

and other nutrients, in addition to carbohydrates. Not everyone has to

eliminate fruit entirely when dealing with a candida overgrowth, in fact it is

probably wiser to eat some fruit every other day or every day, but choose less

sweet varieties and limit the amounts. Unfortunately everyone is

different, so some people do fine in their struggles with yeast if they eat one

serving of a diluted fruit juice or one serving of applesauce made with Granny

apples per day; others have to restrict their fruits to one serving every

other day for a month and then can increase to once a day. All depends on

the individual.

Remember

that rebalancing candida/yeast levels goes hand-in-hand with restabilizing the

bacterial colonies and improving the body’s immune system. So for

many individuals, time on SCD repairs the candida levels along with the rest of

the gut ecology. But some people find they need to limit their food

choices somewhat, or cut back on the trigger foods for a few months. Lots

of variation, all depending on candida-related symptoms.

If

you feel fine with just one serving a day of fruit, then continue

onwards. It might help to choose the least sweet varieties of fruit, and

dilute any juices. You’re not eating a lot of high-carb veggies, and

no nuts or dairy, so that is a huge help and already puts you at a yeast

elimination level. If eating fruit twice a day pushes your body into

reacting with fatigue, then I’d take that as a signal to keep it at one

serving for a while.

You

might find some answers to your questions on Bee Wilder’s website: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/index.php

I was in her Yahoo support group for a while when I was dealing with my candida

overgrowth. She has a fairly balanced approach to dealing with yeast,

unlike many other experts. She doesn’t follow SCD guidelines, of

course, so you’ll have to filter any of her recommendations and ensure

that you are sticking to SCD protocols. But she does compile a lot of

information from reliable sources. There are also lots of books on the

subject. I don’t remember much discussion about limiting caffeine

specifically when it comes to yeast, but limiting caffeine is always a good

idea when dealing with poor digestion, as many experts feel it slows down

digestion which increases fermentation, not to mention the extra work the liver

goes through to detoxify. Actually, limiting caffeine is always a good

idea when it comes to general health. There’s lots of information on the

effects of caffeine on the body, I come across it all the time in my research,

but I don’t recall any one specific source that explained everything in

one place.

It

is all a balancing act, discovering which foods are best for your digestion and

body at each stage of your healing journey. Each of us has to go through

this, as what works for one individual doesn’t for another.

Kim M.

SCD 6 years

Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6+ years

neurological & spinal deterioration 3+ years

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For

my first three months on SCD, I eliminated fruit totally, but ended up with

" ketone breath, " which my doctor told me was the result of my body

moving to digest differently in the absence of carbohydrates. She recommended I

add some fruit to avoid this. Is that a bad thing? Where can I find more

information about this phenomenon?

If I eat a peeled, cooked apple or pear first thing in the morning, I feel

fine--no symptoms. If I eat fruit any other time of day, or drink apple or pear

juice, I feel very fatigued immediately.

Any experience or wisdom you can share about the " fruit debate " would

be most welcome.

Also, one other thing-- can anyone point me to real, scientific information

that shows how drinking coffee or caffeine contributes to candida overgrowth?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

The Candida file says to use non sweet fruits as much as possible. In my

research I found that these fruits are considered low in sugar.

Fruit Low in sugar

-Strawberries

-Blueberries

-Raspberries

-Blackberries

-Pears

Here are some links to check out about caffeine and blood sugar:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/blood-sugar/AN01804

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/95380.php

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Caffeine-Can-Affect-Your-Health & id=101557

Hope that helps.

Misty Kimble

CD - no meds

SCD - 2 + years

>

> Hi all,

> I'm about 5 months SCD and am still on a very restricted diet of meat + green

beans, zucchini/squash, asparagus, spinach/greens only. I do not tolerate any

nuts or dairy.

>

> All symptoms seem to point to a long-standing overgrowth of candida, and I am

going on faith that this is what I need to tackle for now. Regarding this, I am

trying to figure out--should I eat fruit or not?

>

> Most candida-focused resources encourage you to eliminate fruit, but BTVC does

not. Then there are the various stages of SCD candida diet posted on the

" files " page of this group. For my first three months on SCD, I eliminated

fruit totally, but ended up with " ketone breath, " which my doctor told me was

the result of my body moving to digest differently in the absence of

carbohydrates. She recommended I add some fruit to avoid this. Is that a bad

thing? Where can I find more information about this phenomenon?

>

> If I eat a peeled, cooked apple or pear first thing in the morning, I feel

fine--no symptoms. If I eat fruit any other time of day, or drink apple or pear

juice, I feel very fatigued immediately.

>

> Any experience or wisdom you can share about the " fruit debate " would be most

welcome.

>

> Also, one other thing-- can anyone point me to real, scientific information

that shows how drinking coffee or caffeine contributes to candida overgrowth?

>

> Thanks,

>

>