Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Hi Mira, I'm on the NHS too and they didn't offer me clear ones, but i am sure if you enquire about them they will let you know if you have to pay for them. I wasn't sure if you'd have to be careful with colourings in food and that maybe they are more prone to stainng? I am sure someone here will be able to advise you. Now flourescent would definately be orginal!! I don't mind my metal ones really, apart from the coils on them at the moment! Good thing is they'll give your teeth a really good clean before they put your braces on, so although you'll be sporting a brace you're teeth will be whiter! B x > > Hello everyone, > > > > I apologize first of all if some of you have read > this on other > > support forums. I'm considering ortho surgery so > I'm looking for > > as much info and help as possible. > > --- > > I'm a 34 year old male living in a suburb of > Vancouver, BC with a > > moderate underbite and an anterior (front) open > bite. I've > > obviously lived with this for most of my life as my > underbite is an > > heredity trait and have been self concious of it as > well. I had no > > idea I had an open bite until a visit to the dentist > about a year > > ago. Up until that time, I thought I had a normal > bite except for > the > > underbite. She asked me if I had difficulty eating > sandwiches > > and pizza at all. I had never really thought about > it up until > then, > > but I have really noticed since then. Plus, she > pointed out that my > > molars are wearing more than normal due to my back > teeth > > touching without my front teeth coming together. > Nobody had > > even pointed this out to me when I was younger as my > teeth > > came in straight thanks to my big mouth and larger > lower jaw. At > > the time, she explained that surgery would be the > only thing to > > correct it. I of course said " No thanks! " and > decided to live with > it > > like I have been for all of my life. > > > > Now that time has passed, I have realized that my > jaw, open bite > > and under bite cause more problems than I thought. > After doing > > some research I have found that the jaw joint > soreness I get, > > head aches that begin at the back of my jaw, > difficulty breathing > > while sleeping unless my mouth is open, and sleep > apnea can > > all be contributed to this. Plus, I've never been > happy with my > > profile, the way my bottom lip comes together with > my top lip and > > the difficult of keeping my lips closed (no, I don't > talk a lot!) > and > > my tongue in my mouth can be attributed to this as > well. > > > > Now, with all of this said, I've made an appointment > with my > > dentist on Friday, June 24 to see what I can do > about it. > > Needless to say, I'm very nervous about it all and > wondering if > > the surgery is worthwhile. In fact, I'm sweating and > shaking just > > typing this. I'm hoping some of you can help me with > some > > questions I have before visiting my dentist. I know > she will be > > able to answer them all, but I'd like to have some > of my nerves > > calmed. Anyways, here are my questions: > > > > 1. I have straight teeth already, but am I going to > end up with a > > mouth full of braces in for quite some time before > and after the > > surgery? > > > > 2. If I do end up with braces (which I sincerely > hope I don't have > > to), what is it like to be an adult wearing braces? > How do people > > view and treat you? > > > > 3. Is there a significant difference in the way your > mouth and jaw > > feel after the surgery? Is it easier to eat, sleep > and keep your > > mouth closed? (It would be nice to wake up without a > pillow full > > of drool in the morning. Sorry if I grossed you > out.) > > > > 4. How painful is the surgery and is the surgery > worthwhile? > > > > 5. Lastly, is it worth it for a 34 year old to even > consider this? > > > > Thanks very much to you all. I hope I can talk with > you more as I > > consider and possibly progress with this. > > > > Cary > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Hi Mira, Ceramics (or clear) braces, are almost exactly like regular braces, except they are clear ceramic. The only difference is they are just slightly bigger in size; I don't really notice it though. Some orthodontists charge more for the ceramic, but mine did not. Often people who are having this surgery are told they need to still get the metal on the bottom (for stability reasons, I believe). I have ceramic on top, and gold on the bottom. The ceramic are nice because they are less noticeable, but keep in mind sometimes the white o-rings they use with them can stain quite easily, so if you choose this option, it wouldn't hurt to ask the OD if he/she can use white wire-ties instead, since they don't stain. Good luck! > > Hello everyone, > > > > I apologize first of all if some of you have read > this on other > > support forums. I'm considering ortho surgery so > I'm looking for > > as much info and help as possible. > > --- > > I'm a 34 year old male living in a suburb of > Vancouver, BC with a > > moderate underbite and an anterior (front) open > bite. I've > > obviously lived with this for most of my life as my > underbite is an > > heredity trait and have been self concious of it as > well. I had no > > idea I had an open bite until a visit to the dentist > about a year > > ago. Up until that time, I thought I had a normal > bite except for > the > > underbite. She asked me if I had difficulty eating > sandwiches > > and pizza at all. I had never really thought about > it up until > then, > > but I have really noticed since then. Plus, she > pointed out that my > > molars are wearing more than normal due to my back > teeth > > touching without my front teeth coming together. > Nobody had > > even pointed this out to me when I was younger as my > teeth > > came in straight thanks to my big mouth and larger > lower jaw. At > > the time, she explained that surgery would be the > only thing to > > correct it. I of course said " No thanks! " and > decided to live with > it > > like I have been for all of my life. > > > > Now that time has passed, I have realized that my > jaw, open bite > > and under bite cause more problems than I thought. > After doing > > some research I have found that the jaw joint > soreness I get, > > head aches that begin at the back of my jaw, > difficulty breathing > > while sleeping unless my mouth is open, and sleep > apnea can > > all be contributed to this. Plus, I've never been > happy with my > > profile, the way my bottom lip comes together with > my top lip and > > the difficult of keeping my lips closed (no, I don't > talk a lot!) > and > > my tongue in my mouth can be attributed to this as > well. > > > > Now, with all of this said, I've made an appointment > with my > > dentist on Friday, June 24 to see what I can do > about it. > > Needless to say, I'm very nervous about it all and > wondering if > > the surgery is worthwhile. In fact, I'm sweating and > shaking just > > typing this. I'm hoping some of you can help me with > some > > questions I have before visiting my dentist. I know > she will be > > able to answer them all, but I'd like to have some > of my nerves > > calmed. Anyways, here are my questions: > > > > 1. I have straight teeth already, but am I going to > end up with a > > mouth full of braces in for quite some time before > and after the > > surgery? > > > > 2. If I do end up with braces (which I sincerely > hope I don't have > > to), what is it like to be an adult wearing braces? > How do people > > view and treat you? > > > > 3. Is there a significant difference in the way your > mouth and jaw > > feel after the surgery? Is it easier to eat, sleep > and keep your > > mouth closed? (It would be nice to wake up without a > pillow full > > of drool in the morning. Sorry if I grossed you > out.) > > > > 4. How painful is the surgery and is the surgery > worthwhile? > > > > 5. Lastly, is it worth it for a 34 year old to even > consider this? > > > > Thanks very much to you all. I hope I can talk with > you more as I > > consider and possibly progress with this. > > > > Cary > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Oooh back in my London clubbing days I would hve gone for those glow in the dark braces, forget the glow sticks, I've got braces. Hee hee. Great for halloween too. The difference between ceramic brackets is that they are just lighter. Some doctors don't like to use them because they say that they tend to come off more easily during surgery. My doctors felt that exactly the opposite was true, that they tend to be harder to come off. I've had both metal and ceramic and prefer the ceramic but it's not the end of the world with metal. Cammie says they hurt her less in terms of rubbing against the inner lip area. Sara > > Hello everyone, > > > > I apologize first of all if some of you have read > this on other > > support forums. I'm considering ortho surgery so > I'm looking for > > as much info and help as possible. > > --- > > I'm a 34 year old male living in a suburb of > Vancouver, BC with a > > moderate underbite and an anterior (front) open > bite. I've > > obviously lived with this for most of my life as my > underbite is an > > heredity trait and have been self concious of it as > well. I had no > > idea I had an open bite until a visit to the dentist > about a year > > ago. Up until that time, I thought I had a normal > bite except for > the > > underbite. She asked me if I had difficulty eating > sandwiches > > and pizza at all. I had never really thought about > it up until > then, > > but I have really noticed since then. Plus, she > pointed out that my > > molars are wearing more than normal due to my back > teeth > > touching without my front teeth coming together. > Nobody had > > even pointed this out to me when I was younger as my > teeth > > came in straight thanks to my big mouth and larger > lower jaw. At > > the time, she explained that surgery would be the > only thing to > > correct it. I of course said " No thanks! " and > decided to live with > it > > like I have been for all of my life. > > > > Now that time has passed, I have realized that my > jaw, open bite > > and under bite cause more problems than I thought. > After doing > > some research I have found that the jaw joint > soreness I get, > > head aches that begin at the back of my jaw, > difficulty breathing > > while sleeping unless my mouth is open, and sleep > apnea can > > all be contributed to this. Plus, I've never been > happy with my > > profile, the way my bottom lip comes together with > my top lip and > > the difficult of keeping my lips closed (no, I don't > talk a lot!) > and > > my tongue in my mouth can be attributed to this as > well. > > > > Now, with all of this said, I've made an appointment > with my > > dentist on Friday, June 24 to see what I can do > about it. > > Needless to say, I'm very nervous about it all and > wondering if > > the surgery is worthwhile. In fact, I'm sweating and > shaking just > > typing this. I'm hoping some of you can help me with > some > > questions I have before visiting my dentist. I know > she will be > > able to answer them all, but I'd like to have some > of my nerves > > calmed. Anyways, here are my questions: > > > > 1. I have straight teeth already, but am I going to > end up with a > > mouth full of braces in for quite some time before > and after the > > surgery? > > > > 2. If I do end up with braces (which I sincerely > hope I don't have > > to), what is it like to be an adult wearing braces? > How do people > > view and treat you? > > > > 3. Is there a significant difference in the way your > mouth and jaw > > feel after the surgery? Is it easier to eat, sleep > and keep your > > mouth closed? (It would be nice to wake up without a > pillow full > > of drool in the morning. Sorry if I grossed you > out.) > > > > 4. How painful is the surgery and is the surgery > worthwhile? > > > > 5. Lastly, is it worth it for a 34 year old to even > consider this? > > > > Thanks very much to you all. I hope I can talk with > you more as I > > consider and possibly progress with this. > > > > Cary > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 and Boris thanks for your responses, pardon my tenacity but what are O-rings? Mira --- wrote: --------------------------------- Hi Mira, Ceramics (or clear) braces, are almost exactly like regular braces, except they are clear ceramic. The only difference is they are just slightly bigger in size; I don't really notice it though. Some orthodontists charge more for the ceramic, but mine did not. Often people who are having this surgery are told they need to still get the metal on the bottom (for stability reasons, I believe). I have ceramic on top, and gold on the bottom. The ceramic are nice because they are less noticeable, but keep in mind sometimes the white o-rings they use with them can stain quite easily, so if you choose this option, it wouldn't hurt to ask the OD if he/she can use white wire-ties instead, since they don't stain. Good luck! > > Hello everyone, > > > > I apologize first of all if some of you have read > this on other > > support forums. I'm considering ortho surgery so > I'm looking for > > as much info and help as possible. > > --- > > I'm a 34 year old male living in a suburb of > Vancouver, BC with a > > moderate underbite and an anterior (front) open > bite. I've > > obviously lived with this for most of my life as my > underbite is an > > heredity trait and have been self concious of it as > well. I had no > > idea I had an open bite until a visit to the dentist > about a year > > ago. Up until that time, I thought I had a normal > bite except for > the > > underbite. She asked me if I had difficulty eating > sandwiches > > and pizza at all. I had never really thought about > it up until > then, > > but I have really noticed since then. Plus, she > pointed out that my > > molars are wearing more than normal due to my back > teeth > > touching without my front teeth coming together. > Nobody had > > even pointed this out to me when I was younger as my > teeth > > came in straight thanks to my big mouth and larger > lower jaw. At > > the time, she explained that surgery would be the > only thing to > > correct it. I of course said " No thanks! " and > decided to live with > it > > like I have been for all of my life. > > > > Now that time has passed, I have realized that my > jaw, open bite > > and under bite cause more problems than I thought. > After doing > > some research I have found that the jaw joint > soreness I get, > > head aches that begin at the back of my jaw, > difficulty breathing > > while sleeping unless my mouth is open, and sleep > apnea can > > all be contributed to this. Plus, I've never been > happy with my > > profile, the way my bottom lip comes together with > my top lip and > > the difficult of keeping my lips closed (no, I don't > talk a lot!) > and > > my tongue in my mouth can be attributed to this as > well. > > > > Now, with all of this said, I've made an appointment > with my > > dentist on Friday, June 24 to see what I can do > about it. > > Needless to say, I'm very nervous about it all and > wondering if > > the surgery is worthwhile. In fact, I'm sweating and > shaking just > > typing this. I'm hoping some of you can help me with > some > > questions I have before visiting my dentist. I know > she will be > > able to answer them all, but I'd like to have some > of my nerves > > calmed. Anyways, here are my questions: > > > > 1. I have straight teeth already, but am I going to > end up with a > > mouth full of braces in for quite some time before > and after the > > surgery? > > > > 2. If I do end up with braces (which I sincerely > hope I don't have > > to), what is it like to be an adult wearing braces? > How do people > > view and treat you? > > > > 3. Is there a significant difference in the way your > mouth and jaw > > feel after the surgery? Is it easier to eat, sleep > and keep your > > mouth closed? (It would be nice to wake up without a > pillow full > > of drool in the morning. Sorry if I grossed you > out.) > > > > 4. How painful is the surgery and is the surgery > worthwhile? > > > > 5. Lastly, is it worth it for a 34 year old to even > consider this? > > > > Thanks very much to you all. I hope I can talk with > you more as I > > consider and possibly progress with this. > > > > Cary > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Hi Mira, Sorry to jump in, but since I am online, I thought I would answer your question real quick. O'rings are tiny little rubberbands that go around the brackets. They are normally changed at each OD visit. You may notice that some kids and possibly adults have different colored o'rings on their braces. Lucky for me, I have the metal wire around the braces instead of the o'rings. My o'rings always would get stained from coffee, tea, spagetti sauce, etc. I would always look forward to those monthly visits to have them changed!! I have the ceramic up top and metal on the bottom teeth. The ceramic brackets are a slight bit larger than the metal brackets, so you may notice them more so than the metal brackets. Best of Luck, > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > I apologize first of all if some of you have read > > this on other > > > support forums. I'm considering ortho surgery so > > I'm looking for > > > as much info and help as possible. > > > --- > > > I'm a 34 year old male living in a suburb of > > Vancouver, BC with a > > > moderate underbite and an anterior (front) open > > bite. I've > > > obviously lived with this for most of my life as > my > > underbite is an > > > heredity trait and have been self concious of it > as > > well. I had no > > > idea I had an open bite until a visit to the > dentist > > about a year > > > ago. Up until that time, I thought I had a normal > > bite except for > > the > > > underbite. She asked me if I had difficulty eating > > sandwiches > > > and pizza at all. I had never really thought about > > it up until > > then, > > > but I have really noticed since then. Plus, she > > pointed out that my > > > molars are wearing more than normal due to my back > > teeth > > > touching without my front teeth coming together. > > Nobody had > > > even pointed this out to me when I was younger as > my > > teeth > > > came in straight thanks to my big mouth and larger > > lower jaw. At > > > the time, she explained that surgery would be the > > only thing to > > > correct it. I of course said " No thanks! " and > > decided to live with > > it > > > like I have been for all of my life. > > > > > > Now that time has passed, I have realized that my > > jaw, open bite > > > and under bite cause more problems than I thought. > > After doing > > > some research I have found that the jaw joint > > soreness I get, > > > head aches that begin at the back of my jaw, > > difficulty breathing > > > while sleeping unless my mouth is open, and sleep > > apnea can > > > all be contributed to this. Plus, I've never been > > happy with my > > > profile, the way my bottom lip comes together with > > my top lip and > > > the difficult of keeping my lips closed (no, I > don't > > talk a lot!) > > and > > > my tongue in my mouth can be attributed to this as > > well. > > > > > > Now, with all of this said, I've made an > appointment > > with my > > > dentist on Friday, June 24 to see what I can do > > about it. > > > Needless to say, I'm very nervous about it all and > > wondering if > > > the surgery is worthwhile. In fact, I'm sweating > and > > shaking just > > > typing this. I'm hoping some of you can help me > with > > some > > > questions I have before visiting my dentist. I > know > > she will be > > > able to answer them all, but I'd like to have some > > of my nerves > > > calmed. Anyways, here are my questions: > > > > > > 1. I have straight teeth already, but am I going > to > > end up with a > > > mouth full of braces in for quite some time before > > and after the > > > surgery? > > > > > > 2. If I do end up with braces (which I sincerely > > hope I don't have > > > to), what is it like to be an adult wearing > braces? > > How do people > > > view and treat you? > > > > > > 3. Is there a significant difference in the way > your > > mouth and jaw > > > feel after the surgery? Is it easier to eat, sleep > > and keep your > > > mouth closed? (It would be nice to wake up without > a > > pillow full > > > of drool in the morning. Sorry if I grossed you > > out.) > > > > > > 4. How painful is the surgery and is the surgery > > worthwhile? > > > > > > 5. Lastly, is it worth it for a 34 year old to > even > > consider this? > > > > > > Thanks very much to you all. I hope I can talk > with > > you more as I > > > consider and possibly progress with this. > > > > > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Hi Mira- I have metal braces - but I understand you have to be careful about what you eat with ceramic ones because they pick up food stains easily. (curry turns them yellow; red wine turns them red for example). I like red wine and tea too much to give those up! Cyndy <MiraManga@b...> wrote: > Ooo, interesting point here. People have mentioned > ceramic braces, how are these different to the " train > track " braces? > > I am hoping and praying that the NHS will let me get > clear braces, or at least an option to pay extra for > clear ones. I was looking on some web pages and saw > some glow in the dark braces...!! Who would go for > those? You're in a bar..the lights are low..you see a > handsome chap glance your way and you smile and your > mouth glows flourescent yellow?!! > > Heehehe > > Mira xxx > > --- dmd13cyto <dmd13cyto@y...> wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Hello Cary and welcome to the group! I too have a > Class 3 - an > underbite. I'm pre-ortho and pre-op. And, I'm 47. This > is the third > time I've considered having the surgery. The first > time was in the > early 1980's, and the second time was in 1997. I just > wasn't ready to > do this either of those times. I had my OD treatment > consult on > Tuesday; I'll be getting my ceramic brackets (upper > and lower) and my > spacers in on July 26th, and the archwires and bands > in on August > 9th. I have my first of two Orthognathic Surgery > consults on July > 18th. My OMS (OS) is the best I could ever hope to > have found and I > trust him completely. I originally went to him because > I was referred > by my dentist to have an abscessed tooth extracted; I > wasn't even > considering having yet another surgical work-up at the > time of my > extraction consult. But, after meeting him and having > a brief > discussion about my underbite, I felt completely at > ease with him and > began thinking that I'd like to consider the > possibility of a work- > up. I thought about it for the two weeks prior to my > extraction. > Then, on extraction day, I told him I had decided to > have > Orthognathic Surgery, asked him if he would do my > surgery, and he > happily said yes. He then referred me to an > Orthodontist, who is a > really nice guy. Both my OMS and my OD told me that I > will have > braces for twelve months pre-op and up to six months > post-op. My OMS > says I will definitely have a BSSO (mandibular > set-back) and possibly > a LeFort I (maxillary advancement), but he will need > to do the work- > up to give me a better idea of what to expect. My OD > told me that I > have a 5mm jet which will be set back 7mm, and he > thinks just the > BSSO will take care of the problem, so we'll see. > I,like you, have > noticed some symptoms such as headaches and jaw pain, > but mastication > and speech have become more problematic for me. // I > know what a > tremendous decision this is to make and I hope my > story helped even > in the smallest way. Just remember that you will not > be going thru > this alone; this group of wonderful supportive people > is here. The > info on this site is mind-boggling to say the least, > and by the time > your surgery is here you will be so-o ready for it. > Good luck! ~~ > Diane > > Hello everyone, > > > > I apologize first of all if some of you have read > this on other > > support forums. I'm considering ortho surgery so > I'm looking for > > as much info and help as possible. > > --- > > I'm a 34 year old male living in a suburb of > Vancouver, BC with a > > moderate underbite and an anterior (front) open > bite. I've > > obviously lived with this for most of my life as my > underbite is an > > heredity trait and have been self concious of it as > well. I had no > > idea I had an open bite until a visit to the dentist > about a year > > ago. Up until that time, I thought I had a normal > bite except for > the > > underbite. She asked me if I had difficulty eating > sandwiches > > and pizza at all. I had never really thought about > it up until > then, > > but I have really noticed since then. Plus, she > pointed out that my > > molars are wearing more than normal due to my back > teeth > > touching without my front teeth coming together. > Nobody had > > even pointed this out to me when I was younger as my > teeth > > came in straight thanks to my big mouth and larger > lower jaw. At > > the time, she explained that surgery would be the > only thing to > > correct it. I of course said " No thanks! " and > decided to live with > it > > like I have been for all of my life. > > > > Now that time has passed, I have realized that my > jaw, open bite > > and under bite cause more problems than I thought. > After doing > > some research I have found that the jaw joint > soreness I get, > > head aches that begin at the back of my jaw, > difficulty breathing > > while sleeping unless my mouth is open, and sleep > apnea can > > all be contributed to this. Plus, I've never been > happy with my > > profile, the way my bottom lip comes together with > my top lip and > > the difficult of keeping my lips closed (no, I don't > talk a lot!) > and > > my tongue in my mouth can be attributed to this as > well. > > > > Now, with all of this said, I've made an appointment > with my > > dentist on Friday, June 24 to see what I can do > about it. > > Needless to say, I'm very nervous about it all and > wondering if > > the surgery is worthwhile. In fact, I'm sweating and > shaking just > > typing this. I'm hoping some of you can help me with > some > > questions I have before visiting my dentist. I know > she will be > > able to answer them all, but I'd like to have some > of my nerves > > calmed. Anyways, here are my questions: > > > > 1. I have straight teeth already, but am I going to > end up with a > > mouth full of braces in for quite some time before > and after the > > surgery? > > > > 2. If I do end up with braces (which I sincerely > hope I don't have > > to), what is it like to be an adult wearing braces? > How do people > > view and treat you? > > > > 3. Is there a significant difference in the way your > mouth and jaw > > feel after the surgery? Is it easier to eat, sleep > and keep your > > mouth closed? (It would be nice to wake up without a > pillow full > > of drool in the morning. Sorry if I grossed you > out.) > > > > 4. How painful is the surgery and is the surgery > worthwhile? > > > > 5. Lastly, is it worth it for a 34 year old to even > consider this? > > > > Thanks very much to you all. I hope I can talk with > you more as I > > consider and possibly progress with this. > > > > Cary > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Hi Mira, explained it well -- they're just little rings that hold your brackets onto the archwire (wire that goes across your teeth under the brackets). Anyhow, it's not the clear brackets that stain easily (they don't stain at all), it's those darned o-rings, so if you can get away with just using the wire ties (which in my experience did not stain), that is the way to go. You can get the wire-ties in tooth colored too. (Wire-ties are just another way of holding the brackets to the wire). Hope that helps! > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > I apologize first of all if some of you have read > > > this on other > > > > support forums. I'm considering ortho surgery so > > > I'm looking for > > > > as much info and help as possible. > > > > --- > > > > I'm a 34 year old male living in a suburb of > > > Vancouver, BC with a > > > > moderate underbite and an anterior (front) open > > > bite. I've > > > > obviously lived with this for most of my life as > > my > > > underbite is an > > > > heredity trait and have been self concious of it > > as > > > well. I had no > > > > idea I had an open bite until a visit to the > > dentist > > > about a year > > > > ago. Up until that time, I thought I had a normal > > > bite except for > > > the > > > > underbite. She asked me if I had difficulty eating > > > sandwiches > > > > and pizza at all. I had never really thought about > > > it up until > > > then, > > > > but I have really noticed since then. Plus, she > > > pointed out that my > > > > molars are wearing more than normal due to my back > > > teeth > > > > touching without my front teeth coming together. > > > Nobody had > > > > even pointed this out to me when I was younger as > > my > > > teeth > > > > came in straight thanks to my big mouth and larger > > > lower jaw. At > > > > the time, she explained that surgery would be the > > > only thing to > > > > correct it. I of course said " No thanks! " and > > > decided to live with > > > it > > > > like I have been for all of my life. > > > > > > > > Now that time has passed, I have realized that my > > > jaw, open bite > > > > and under bite cause more problems than I thought. > > > After doing > > > > some research I have found that the jaw joint > > > soreness I get, > > > > head aches that begin at the back of my jaw, > > > difficulty breathing > > > > while sleeping unless my mouth is open, and sleep > > > apnea can > > > > all be contributed to this. Plus, I've never been > > > happy with my > > > > profile, the way my bottom lip comes together with > > > my top lip and > > > > the difficult of keeping my lips closed (no, I > > don't > > > talk a lot!) > > > and > > > > my tongue in my mouth can be attributed to this as > > > well. > > > > > > > > Now, with all of this said, I've made an > > appointment > > > with my > > > > dentist on Friday, June 24 to see what I can do > > > about it. > > > > Needless to say, I'm very nervous about it all and > > > wondering if > > > > the surgery is worthwhile. In fact, I'm sweating > > and > > > shaking just > > > > typing this. I'm hoping some of you can help me > > with > > > some > > > > questions I have before visiting my dentist. I > > know > > > she will be > > > > able to answer them all, but I'd like to have some > > > of my nerves > > > > calmed. Anyways, here are my questions: > > > > > > > > 1. I have straight teeth already, but am I going > > to > > > end up with a > > > > mouth full of braces in for quite some time before > > > and after the > > > > surgery? > > > > > > > > 2. If I do end up with braces (which I sincerely > > > hope I don't have > > > > to), what is it like to be an adult wearing > > braces? > > > How do people > > > > view and treat you? > > > > > > > > 3. Is there a significant difference in the way > > your > > > mouth and jaw > > > > feel after the surgery? Is it easier to eat, sleep > > > and keep your > > > > mouth closed? (It would be nice to wake up without > > a > > > pillow full > > > > of drool in the morning. Sorry if I grossed you > > > out.) > > > > > > > > 4. How painful is the surgery and is the surgery > > > worthwhile? > > > > > > > > 5. Lastly, is it worth it for a 34 year old to > > even > > > consider this? > > > > > > > > Thanks very much to you all. I hope I can talk > > with > > > you more as I > > > > consider and possibly progress with this. > > > > > > > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Hi Mira--I wanted to answer your question about clear braces and give you a pointer or two. I have clear braces. I didnt even ask for them, they just putr them on. The bottom are normal braces and on the topit is only the front ones that you can see that are clear. It doesmake them seem less visible but you will find that unless you use coloured elastics (blues, greens etc) your clear elastics will get yellow looking quickly (especially if you drink tea or coffee) I used the 'glow-in-the-dark' ones for the simple reason that they do not stain as quickly and blend in better with your natural tooth color. I had the same question as you but they only glow for about 20 secs and not brightly. My kids thought it was a hoot!! You literally have to be under a bright light and then turn it completely dark to see it. The other solution was to make regualr quick-stops to the OD to get your elastics changed on the front. My OD welcomed me, without hesitation, so when ever I was in town I popped in (usually every two weeks) and it took 5 minutes for new leastics!....Hope this helps... Sherry orthognathicsurgerysupport , Mira Manga <MiraManga@b...> wrote: > Ooo, interesting point here. People have mentioned > ceramic braces, how are these different to the " train > track " braces? > > I am hoping and praying that the NHS will let me get > clear braces, or at least an option to pay extra for > clear ones. I was looking on some web pages and saw > some glow in the dark braces...!! Who would go for > those? You're in a bar..the lights are low..you see a > handsome chap glance your way and you smile and your > mouth glows flourescent yellow?!! > > Heehehe > > Mira xxx > > --- dmd13cyto <dmd13cyto@y...> wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Hello Cary and welcome to the group! I too have a > Class 3 - an > underbite. I'm pre-ortho and pre-op. And, I'm 47. This > is the third > time I've considered having the surgery. The first > time was in the > early 1980's, and the second time was in 1997. I just > wasn't ready to > do this either of those times. I had my OD treatment > consult on > Tuesday; I'll be getting my ceramic brackets (upper > and lower) and my > spacers in on July 26th, and the archwires and bands > in on August > 9th. I have my first of two Orthognathic Surgery > consults on July > 18th. My OMS (OS) is the best I could ever hope to > have found and I > trust him completely. I originally went to him because > I was referred > by my dentist to have an abscessed tooth extracted; I > wasn't even > considering having yet another surgical work-up at the > time of my > extraction consult. But, after meeting him and having > a brief > discussion about my underbite, I felt completely at > ease with him and > began thinking that I'd like to consider the > possibility of a work- > up. I thought about it for the two weeks prior to my > extraction. > Then, on extraction day, I told him I had decided to > have > Orthognathic Surgery, asked him if he would do my > surgery, and he > happily said yes. He then referred me to an > Orthodontist, who is a > really nice guy. Both my OMS and my OD told me that I > will have > braces for twelve months pre-op and up to six months > post-op. My OMS > says I will definitely have a BSSO (mandibular > set-back) and possibly > a LeFort I (maxillary advancement), but he will need > to do the work- > up to give me a better idea of what to expect. My OD > told me that I > have a 5mm jet which will be set back 7mm, and he > thinks just the > BSSO will take care of the problem, so we'll see. > I,like you, have > noticed some symptoms such as headaches and jaw pain, > but mastication > and speech have become more problematic for me. // I > know what a > tremendous decision this is to make and I hope my > story helped even > in the smallest way. Just remember that you will not > be going thru > this alone; this group of wonderful supportive people > is here. The > info on this site is mind-boggling to say the least, > and by the time > your surgery is here you will be so-o ready for it. > Good luck! ~~ > Diane > > Hello everyone, > > > > I apologize first of all if some of you have read > this on other > > support forums. I'm considering ortho surgery so > I'm looking for > > as much info and help as possible. > > --- > > I'm a 34 year old male living in a suburb of > Vancouver, BC with a > > moderate underbite and an anterior (front) open > bite. I've > > obviously lived with this for most of my life as my > underbite is an > > heredity trait and have been self concious of it as > well. I had no > > idea I had an open bite until a visit to the dentist > about a year > > ago. Up until that time, I thought I had a normal > bite except for > the > > underbite. She asked me if I had difficulty eating > sandwiches > > and pizza at all. I had never really thought about > it up until > then, > > but I have really noticed since then. Plus, she > pointed out that my > > molars are wearing more than normal due to my back > teeth > > touching without my front teeth coming together. > Nobody had > > even pointed this out to me when I was younger as my > teeth > > came in straight thanks to my big mouth and larger > lower jaw. At > > the time, she explained that surgery would be the > only thing to > > correct it. I of course said " No thanks! " and > decided to live with > it > > like I have been for all of my life. > > > > Now that time has passed, I have realized that my > jaw, open bite > > and under bite cause more problems than I thought. > After doing > > some research I have found that the jaw joint > soreness I get, > > head aches that begin at the back of my jaw, > difficulty breathing > > while sleeping unless my mouth is open, and sleep > apnea can > > all be contributed to this. Plus, I've never been > happy with my > > profile, the way my bottom lip comes together with > my top lip and > > the difficult of keeping my lips closed (no, I don't > talk a lot!) > and > > my tongue in my mouth can be attributed to this as > well. > > > > Now, with all of this said, I've made an appointment > with my > > dentist on Friday, June 24 to see what I can do > about it. > > Needless to say, I'm very nervous about it all and > wondering if > > the surgery is worthwhile. In fact, I'm sweating and > shaking just > > typing this. I'm hoping some of you can help me with > some > > questions I have before visiting my dentist. I know > she will be > > able to answer them all, but I'd like to have some > of my nerves > > calmed. Anyways, here are my questions: > > > > 1. I have straight teeth already, but am I going to > end up with a > > mouth full of braces in for quite some time before > and after the > > surgery? > > > > 2. If I do end up with braces (which I sincerely > hope I don't have > > to), what is it like to be an adult wearing braces? > How do people > > view and treat you? > > > > 3. Is there a significant difference in the way your > mouth and jaw > > feel after the surgery? Is it easier to eat, sleep > and keep your > > mouth closed? (It would be nice to wake up without a > pillow full > > of drool in the morning. Sorry if I grossed you > out.) > > > > 4. How painful is the surgery and is the surgery > worthwhile? > > > > 5. Lastly, is it worth it for a 34 year old to even > consider this? > > > > Thanks very much to you all. I hope I can talk with > you more as I > > consider and possibly progress with this. > > > > Cary > > > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 I have a full ceramic set - and it's not the brackets that pick up stains but the o-rings. As soon as they get changed, you're back in business. I drink coffee, wine, and eat curry and tomato sauce often...and the ortho would always laugh when she saw a particular indulgent week. It kind of turns the clear o-rings a yellow-greenish color. Just my two cents ) -becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 curry and red wine stain only the o-rings not the actual ceramic brackets. ceramic brackets in fact do not stain and i can vouch for that because i have been happily eating curry for the past 7 months and with a fiance' that is a chianti wine producer i could hardly give up the red wine. however, i will say that i cut down on how much i drink of it. also if you use white tie wires rather than o- rings around the individual brackets the staining problem is resolved. I always get my OD to put those one when I know I'll be eating a lot of stainful food. Sara > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > I apologize first of all if some of you have read > > this on other > > > support forums. I'm considering ortho surgery so > > I'm looking for > > > as much info and help as possible. > > > --- > > > I'm a 34 year old male living in a suburb of > > Vancouver, BC with a > > > moderate underbite and an anterior (front) open > > bite. I've > > > obviously lived with this for most of my life as my > > underbite is an > > > heredity trait and have been self concious of it as > > well. I had no > > > idea I had an open bite until a visit to the dentist > > about a year > > > ago. Up until that time, I thought I had a normal > > bite except for > > the > > > underbite. She asked me if I had difficulty eating > > sandwiches > > > and pizza at all. I had never really thought about > > it up until > > then, > > > but I have really noticed since then. Plus, she > > pointed out that my > > > molars are wearing more than normal due to my back > > teeth > > > touching without my front teeth coming together. > > Nobody had > > > even pointed this out to me when I was younger as my > > teeth > > > came in straight thanks to my big mouth and larger > > lower jaw. At > > > the time, she explained that surgery would be the > > only thing to > > > correct it. I of course said " No thanks! " and > > decided to live with > > it > > > like I have been for all of my life. > > > > > > Now that time has passed, I have realized that my > > jaw, open bite > > > and under bite cause more problems than I thought. > > After doing > > > some research I have found that the jaw joint > > soreness I get, > > > head aches that begin at the back of my jaw, > > difficulty breathing > > > while sleeping unless my mouth is open, and sleep > > apnea can > > > all be contributed to this. Plus, I've never been > > happy with my > > > profile, the way my bottom lip comes together with > > my top lip and > > > the difficult of keeping my lips closed (no, I don't > > talk a lot!) > > and > > > my tongue in my mouth can be attributed to this as > > well. > > > > > > Now, with all of this said, I've made an appointment > > with my > > > dentist on Friday, June 24 to see what I can do > > about it. > > > Needless to say, I'm very nervous about it all and > > wondering if > > > the surgery is worthwhile. In fact, I'm sweating and > > shaking just > > > typing this. I'm hoping some of you can help me with > > some > > > questions I have before visiting my dentist. I know > > she will be > > > able to answer them all, but I'd like to have some > > of my nerves > > > calmed. Anyways, here are my questions: > > > > > > 1. I have straight teeth already, but am I going to > > end up with a > > > mouth full of braces in for quite some time before > > and after the > > > surgery? > > > > > > 2. If I do end up with braces (which I sincerely > > hope I don't have > > > to), what is it like to be an adult wearing braces? > > How do people > > > view and treat you? > > > > > > 3. Is there a significant difference in the way your > > mouth and jaw > > > feel after the surgery? Is it easier to eat, sleep > > and keep your > > > mouth closed? (It would be nice to wake up without a > > pillow full > > > of drool in the morning. Sorry if I grossed you > > out.) > > > > > > 4. How painful is the surgery and is the surgery > > worthwhile? > > > > > > 5. Lastly, is it worth it for a 34 year old to even > > consider this? > > > > > > Thanks very much to you all. I hope I can talk with > > you more as I > > > consider and possibly progress with this. > > > > > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 My experience was very much the same. Except that, with the exception of the first month and the powerchains, I had teflon coated wires instead of the elastic 0-rings. Suited me fine. I actually liked the power chains, though, because they cushioned the wire ties. Cammie > I have a full ceramic set - and it's not the brackets that pick up > stains but the o-rings. As soon as they get changed, you're back in > business. I drink coffee, wine, and eat curry and tomato sauce > often...and the ortho would always laugh when she saw a particular > indulgent week. It kind of turns the clear o-rings a yellow-greenish > color. Just my two cents ) > > -becky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Mira, there is a wonderful website that provided me with alot of info about braces; it's a website specifically for adults with braces. It's: www.archwired.com . They have message boards too, but offer topics such as " Braces 101 " which is a primer for adults new to braces, " How do braces work? " , " Should I get ceramic or metal? " , " What is a tightening or adjustment? " , " What are power chains? " , " Help! Did I stain my braces? " , " What are orthodontic spacers? " , and " What can I eat when my teeth hurt? " Check it out.~~~~ Diane > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > I apologize first of all if some of you have read > > > > this on other > > > > > support forums. I'm considering ortho surgery so > > > > I'm looking for > > > > > as much info and help as possible. > > > > > --- > > > > > I'm a 34 year old male living in a suburb of > > > > Vancouver, BC with a > > > > > moderate underbite and an anterior (front) open > > > > bite. I've > > > > > obviously lived with this for most of my life as > > > my > > > > underbite is an > > > > > heredity trait and have been self concious of it > > > as > > > > well. I had no > > > > > idea I had an open bite until a visit to the > > > dentist > > > > about a year > > > > > ago. Up until that time, I thought I had a normal > > > > bite except for > > > > the > > > > > underbite. She asked me if I had difficulty eating > > > > sandwiches > > > > > and pizza at all. I had never really thought about > > > > it up until > > > > then, > > > > > but I have really noticed since then. Plus, she > > > > pointed out that my > > > > > molars are wearing more than normal due to my back > > > > teeth > > > > > touching without my front teeth coming together. > > > > Nobody had > > > > > even pointed this out to me when I was younger as > > > my > > > > teeth > > > > > came in straight thanks to my big mouth and larger > > > > lower jaw. At > > > > > the time, she explained that surgery would be the > > > > only thing to > > > > > correct it. I of course said " No thanks! " and > > > > decided to live with > > > > it > > > > > like I have been for all of my life. > > > > > > > > > > Now that time has passed, I have realized that my > > > > jaw, open bite > > > > > and under bite cause more problems than I thought. > > > > After doing > > > > > some research I have found that the jaw joint > > > > soreness I get, > > > > > head aches that begin at the back of my jaw, > > > > difficulty breathing > > > > > while sleeping unless my mouth is open, and sleep > > > > apnea can > > > > > all be contributed to this. Plus, I've never been > > > > happy with my > > > > > profile, the way my bottom lip comes together with > > > > my top lip and > > > > > the difficult of keeping my lips closed (no, I > > > don't > > > > talk a lot!) > > > > and > > > > > my tongue in my mouth can be attributed to this as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > Now, with all of this said, I've made an > > > appointment > > > > with my > > > > > dentist on Friday, June 24 to see what I can do > > > > about it. > > > > > Needless to say, I'm very nervous about it all and > > > > wondering if > > > > > the surgery is worthwhile. In fact, I'm sweating > > > and > > > > shaking just > > > > > typing this. I'm hoping some of you can help me > > > with > > > > some > > > > > questions I have before visiting my dentist. I > > > know > > > > she will be > > > > > able to answer them all, but I'd like to have some > > > > of my nerves > > > > > calmed. Anyways, here are my questions: > > > > > > > > > > 1. I have straight teeth already, but am I going > > > to > > > > end up with a > > > > > mouth full of braces in for quite some time before > > > > and after the > > > > > surgery? > > > > > > > > > > 2. If I do end up with braces (which I sincerely > > > > hope I don't have > > > > > to), what is it like to be an adult wearing > > > braces? > > > > How do people > > > > > view and treat you? > > > > > > > > > > 3. Is there a significant difference in the way > > > your > > > > mouth and jaw > > > > > feel after the surgery? Is it easier to eat, sleep > > > > and keep your > > > > > mouth closed? (It would be nice to wake up without > > > a > > > > pillow full > > > > > of drool in the morning. Sorry if I grossed you > > > > out.) > > > > > > > > > > 4. How painful is the surgery and is the surgery > > > > worthwhile? > > > > > > > > > > 5. Lastly, is it worth it for a 34 year old to > > > even > > > > consider this? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks very much to you all. I hope I can talk > > > with > > > > you more as I > > > > > consider and possibly progress with this. > > > > > > > > > > Cary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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