Re: Re/ Cooking w/ Wine

[Guest guest]

At 03:47 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:

I'm not sure which way you

meant 'cause I'm

thinking there must be a typo in there.

Yes, my husband was champing at the bit to go do the grocery shopping,

and I typoed. Contrary to some folks' belief, I'm really not on this list

24 hours a day, seven days a week.

" Dry wine is not SCD illegal, so using the occasional

bit of dry wine is not an SCD infraction " is what it should

read.

>> Many of us are on extremely modest budgets and must work long

hours just to pay the bills. Consequently, we have very little time and

simply don't can't spend the time and money to do it all

" right " . I'm grateful for the improvement I can actually afford

and have the time to incorporate into my life. Besides this, though,

those of us who are extremely sensitive to yeasts, molds, and all

fermented things ARE cheating when we do wine... but, still, I do it

every once in a while. <<

Since I basically haven't worked since January of 2008, yes, I understand

a cut in budget. We all do what we can. I can't afford to do

all-organic, all pastured. Wish I could. I can't afford to send to Oregon

or somewhere for my meats and cheeses in order to get fully pastured

foods. By cutting a few things here and there, we can afford bison as our

main red meat, and that has to do. I make lots of things with ground meat

because it's cheaper than roasts, and by doing the ground meat I can use

bison.

There's a difference, though, in being extra sensitive to something and

having it occasionally, versus CHEATING on SCD. CHEATING on SCD means you

are eating foods which are not SCD-legal. Not eating SCD-legal foods

which your body doesn't happen to tolerate. Baby peas are SCD-okay, but I

don't eat them because my system still doesn't like them. However, should

there happen to be some peas in an otherwise SCD-legal dish, I wouldn't

consider myself cheating if I happened to eat some peas. I would take

some extra acidophilus to help me with the peas, though.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Marilyn, did you hear about the bison recall and check into it?

 

Are you having problems finding crawfish, catfish, shrimp, etc.?  Maybe it's the season but it's not *everywhere* like usual.  I haven't found catfish at all this week.  Just wonder if they had a run on it or if it is because of the Gulf problems.

 

Debbie 41 cd

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Wizop Marilyn L. Alm wrote:

 

At 03:47 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:

I'm not sure which way you meant  'cause I'm

thinking there must be a typo in there.Yes, my husband was champing at the bit to go do the grocery shopping, and I typoed. Contrary to some folks' belief, I'm really not on this list 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

" Dry wine is not SCD illegal, so using the occasional bit of dry wine is not an SCD infraction " is what it should read. >> Many of us are on extremely modest budgets and must work long hours just to pay the bills. Consequently, we have very little time and simply don't can't spend the time and money to do it all " right " . I'm grateful for the improvement I can actually afford and have the time to incorporate into my life. Besides this, though, those of us who are extremely sensitive to yeasts, molds, and all fermented things ARE cheating when we do wine... but, still, I do it every once in a while. <<

Since I basically haven't worked since January of 2008, yes, I understand a cut in budget.  We all do what we can. I can't afford to do all-organic, all pastured. Wish I could. I can't afford to send to Oregon or somewhere for my meats and cheeses in order to get fully pastured foods. By cutting a few things here and there, we can afford bison as our main red meat, and that has to do. I make lots of things with ground meat because it's cheaper than roasts, and by doing the ground meat I can use bison.

There's a difference, though, in being extra sensitive to something and having it occasionally, versus CHEATING on SCD. CHEATING on SCD means you are eating foods which are not SCD-legal. Not eating SCD-legal foods which your body doesn't happen to tolerate. Baby peas are SCD-okay, but I don't eat them because my system still doesn't like them. However, should there happen to be some peas in an otherwise SCD-legal dish, I wouldn't consider myself cheating if I happened to eat some peas. I would take some extra acidophilus to help me with the peas, though.

— Marilyn    New Orleans, Louisiana, USA    Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001    Darn Good SCD Cook

    No Human Children    Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund     Babette the Foundling Beagle       

[Guest guest]

Carol, my yeast symptoms ALWAYS flare after a glass of red wine. Or any legal

alcohol for that matter. I feel your pain. Someday...

>

> n and Marilyn,

>

> We'll have to agree to disagree. I think we're talking semantics

> here. Yes, the SUGAR is consumed but that doesn't mean that yeast and

> yeast products don't remain in ALL wine and MANY of us on this diet

> are extremely sensitive to anything fermented. We may not legally be

> talking SCD here but we ARE talking what doesn't work for many of us.

>

> Call it what you call it, if your goal is to heal your gut, your

> brain, etc., and you're sensitive to yeast and fermented products,

> then for YOU (translate: ME and MANY of us) my docs say that cooking

> with wine is NOT a good idea. I DO it sometimes but I always feel it

> next day... and folks eavesdropping here need to know this reality.

>

> Love y'all even if our understandings do differ,

> Artful Carol

>

> Former me: From babyhood - CFS, Depression, Candida, Severe Chemical,

> Inhalent, and Food Allergies. Current me: Global Carb and Fungal

> Problems well-controlled past 30 yr. by extremely low-carb

> allergy/anti-yeast diet, SCD 01/05. Magnesium/Vits A, B, D, E/Evening

> Primrose, Fish, Olive, and Other Oils, Lecithin. 2 grown kids

> recovered from serious developmental problems which I believe were

> fungally-caused.

>

> <<The sugar content in grapes is the CATALYST for the fermentation process

> that turns them into wine, but in dry wines the sugar gets consumed in the

> process -- that's why they're " dry, " meaning no sugar content. That is a

> different process than the one which makes beer, which does require actual

> yeast.

>

> Using dry wine is not an " infraction " -- though, as with pretty much all

> other foods (and wine is more a food than a drink, actually), it will

> effect different people differently.>>

>

[Guest guest]

At 08:41 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:

Marilyn, did you hear about the

bison recall and check into it?

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=103196 & catid=158

The bison I got is not from this lot.

Are you having problems

finding crawfish, catfish, shrimp, etc.? Maybe it's the season but

it's not *everywhere* like usual. I haven't found catfish at all

this week. Just wonder if they had a run on it or if it is because

of the Gulf problems.

Oysters are the problem here. I had a devil of a time finding the oysters

for my Dad's birthday celebration. And the PRICE! Wild-caught catfish is

an issue, but I can get responsibly farmed catfish. So far, not a shrimp

shortage, but the price is going up. Haven't looked for the

crawfish.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

At 09:29 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:

We may not legally be talking

SCD here but we ARE talking what doesn't work for many of

us.

I can't argue that everyone is different. I also know that Elaine was

cautious with anything containing yeast. BUT, I still reiterate that

under SCD parameters, dry wine isn't illegal.

Now, if YOU are sensitive to it, that's YOUR issue, not an SCD issue.

Kim M. can't eat high fat or many spices; I get sick if I don't have an

adequate amount of fat in my diet, and I'm fond of spices. We're

both SCDers. SO, you can't tolerate wine and I like the occasional glass

of wine. We're still both SCDers. Lots of people do well with fruit

smoothies; I still can't eat them. Yet fruit smoothies are SCD legal. And

so on.

What I just want made clear is that although it may not agree with you

personally, dry wine, red or white, is SCD-legal. It's good of you to

give people who may have yeast issues a heads-up that wine MIGHT be a

problem for them, but I don't want someone thinking they fell off the SCD

wagon because they had a glass of wine with Sunday dinner.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Not too surprising, I guess. There was an article in our paper the other

day talking about your New Orleans chefs and how very far afield they are

having to go to get seafood now with the Gulf mess. I'm sure the

prices reflect this big time! Good thing you could find the oysters

you needed for Dad's birthday.

Oysters are the problem here. I had a devil of a time finding the oysters for my Dad's birthday celebration. And the PRICE! Wild-caught catfish is an issue, but I can get responsibly farmed catfish. So far, not a shrimp shortage, but the price is going up. Haven't looked for the crawfish.

— Marilyn

[Guest guest]

LOL I'm such a lightweight it takes me one glass of wine to be tipsy. I'm

missing that Friday night Manichevitz high from one glass of the syrupy (SCD

illegal) stuff, but still have a little dry wine on occasion. I did notice that

it was not as obvious a feeling while on LDN so I'm sure to stop at half a

glass. I do use it in cooking.

PJ

> >On the wine topic and OT, if you take LDN, you

> >may not notice the wine affect very much. There

> >is some type of barrier with me that I have to

> >watch. I'm not sure how it would affect anyone else though.

>

> LOL! I do wine on birthdays, our anniversary, and

> Thanksgiving and Christmas... and that's about

> IT. When I was filling out a form for my doc

> about alcohol use, it had stuff like " daily,

> weekly, months... " and I looked at her and said,

> " Once in November, twice in December (wine at

> Christmas, and a hard cider for New Years), once

> in May, once in June, twice in July, and once in August.

>

> She looked at me and said, " I think it's safe to

> say you don't have an alcohol problem.... "

>

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> Babette the Foundling Beagle

>