Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 Can someone explain to me exactly what die off is? When I started the diet about 3 weeks ago, I was doing pretty good but still had a need to use the bathroom first thing in the morning, but no major D. Well, maybe I started adding raw foods too soon, but I am craving raw salads and got so tired of mushy veges. So I did eat some great salads with fresh cucs (peeled, at least) from my garden and other local fresh produce. And also made some almond flour bread (Lois Lang's) and had some smoothies with raw strawberries and huckleberries. All through this I was having my normal urgent need first thing in the morning, but then also more D throughout the morning, which I haven't had in quite a while. I'm wondering if this D is from die off (whatever that is) or just me going to fast with foods that are too hard to digest. I decided to start over with the chicken/carrot soup regime, but still was having D, so now I'm cutting out the eggs to see if that helps. They were my major item in the morning along with the yogurt and dripped yogurt. I'm feeling pretty hungry and am losing some weight. I've also ordered some S. Boulardii, since it has been mentioned on this list as helpful for D. Can anyone give me some insight? This is the hardest time of year to NOT be eating fresh raw veges!kt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 Hey kt! It is very difficult to discern between die-off and just plain 'ole D. I've been struggling with this since the beginning of the diet. You are definitely still at an early enough stage of the diet (3 weeks, right?) that it could be die-off... However, from looking at what you are eating, you are definitely jumping into some pretty advanced foods! Everyone is different so you may be one of the lucky ones who can advance to raw veggies sooner. But... 3 weeks does seem very early to be adding the raw foods and almond flour products. It seems like you realize this, but are just looking for some outside confirmation As far as D in the morning- that is very normal. That is when our bowels get active and I think a lot of people (including myself) have the toughest time. For example, I still have days when I will have gone 4 times by 10am and then I will only go 1 or 2 times the whole rest of the day! I just started taking S. boulardii and I'll tell you what- it'll kick your butt! I don't think I knew what real die-off was until I actually took (too much) of it. I started with 1 pill and felt so feverish and achy by the next day. So I have only been taking 1/4 pill now. But I'll tell you what, I think in the 4 days I've been taking it I've really noticed a difference! Sorry to ramble... in short, I encourage you to try the S.B. (but go slow!) and try to go back to some more stage 1-2 foods. I hope you'll be feeling better soon! -Joanna SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 22.5mg Prednisone >I'm wondering if this D is from die off (whatever that is) or just me going to fast with foods that are too hard to digest. I decided to start over with the chicken/carrot soup regime, but still was having D, so now I'm cutting out the eggs to see if that helps. They were my major item in the morning along with the yogurt and dripped yogurt. I'm feeling pretty hungry and am losing some weight. I've also ordered some S. Boulardii, since it has been mentioned on this list as helpful for D. Can anyone give me some insight? This is the hardest time of year to NOT be eating fresh raw veges! > kt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:53:15 -0000 >From: BTVC-SCD (on behalf of " kt " ) >Subject: Die off? >To: BTVC-SCD > > Can someone explain to me exactly what die off is? > When I started the diet about 3 weeks ago, I was > doing pretty good but still had a need to use the > bathroom first thing in the morning, but no major D. > Well, maybe I started adding raw foods too soon, > but I am craving raw salads and got so tired of > mushy veges. So I did eat some great salads with > fresh cucs (peeled, at least) from my garden and > other local fresh produce. And also made some > almond flour bread (Lois Lang's) and had some > smoothies with raw strawberries and huckleberries. > All through this I was having my normal urgent need > first thing in the morning, but then also more D > throughout the morning, which I haven't had in quite > a while. I'm wondering if this D is from die off > (whatever that is) or just me going to fast with > foods that are too hard to digest. probably the latter - 3 weeks is almost always too soon for raw veggies. And also bread. > I decided to > start over with the chicken/carrot soup regime, but > still was having D, so now I'm cutting out the eggs > to s! ee if that helps. They were my major item in > the morning along with the yogurt and dripped > yogurt. I'm feeling pretty hungry and am losing > some weight. I've also ordered some S. Boulardii, > since it has been mentioned on this list as helpful > for D. Can anyone give me some insight? This is > the hardest time of year to NOT be eating fresh raw > veges! Unfortunately - but there is always next year. And you can have great tomato sauces and so forth. Mara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 I also went a little too quickly to more advanced foods the first time I started SCD, so I had to back off to the intro diet and start again. While I had had GREAT and very fast improvement the first time around, the second time around it took longer. It was very frustrating and I experienced long periods of C which was not usual for me, and then alternating C and D. However, eventually things settled down (I've been on SCD since about mid-June). I would just go very slow and hold off on anything raw for a while. I know it is frustrating with all this great produce! Maybe you can look into preserving some of it? Nourishing Traditions has a lot of recipes for preserving food through fermentation. I seem to tolerate things like homemade sauerkraut much better than un-fermented raw veggies like cucumbers. (Also: take out the seeds if you are going to eat cukes.) misha Can someone explain to me exactly what die off is? When I started the diet about 3 weeks ago, I was doing pretty good but still had a need to use the bathroom first thing in the morning, but no major D. Well, maybe I started adding raw foods too soon, but I am craving raw salads and got so tired of mushy veges. So I did eat some great salads with fresh cucs (peeled, at least) from my garden and other local fresh produce. And also made some almond flour bread (Lois Lang's) and had some smoothies with raw strawberries and huckleberries. All through this I was having my normal urgent need first thing in the morning, but then also more D throughout the morning, which I haven't had in quite a while. I'm wondering if this D is from die off (whatever that is) or just me going to fast with foods that are too hard to digest. I decided to start over with the chicken/carrot soup regime, but still was having D, so now I'm cutting out the eggs to see if that helps. They were my major item in the morning along with the yogurt and dripped yogurt. I'm feeling pretty hungry and am losing some weight. I've also ordered some S. Boulardii, since it has been mentioned on this list as helpful for D. Can anyone give me some insight? This is the hardest time of year to NOT be eating fresh raw veges! kt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 Hi Joanna, I realize according the the pecanbread "stages" I've jumped way ahead, but before I started the SCD, I ate all this raw food along with grains, beans, etc. and didn't ever have this kind of D. Did have a lot more gas, but I'm thinking that was the grains and beans. At any rate, I guess I thought I could handle it, but maybe not. :-(( Also, my nutritionist does muscle testing to see what foods and other items make me weak or strong and the almond bread tested ok. Guess I'll just have to go with my "gut" instinct here. I know I've read that Elaine didn't really follow the "stages" idea because it is pretty limiting and everyone can accept things differently. I guess I'll just go slower and test a few different items, but keep them well cooked for now. I had to go buy a vegetable peeler - I have never peeled anything!I am thankful my D isn't that bad and I have no cramping or nausea, just getting rather bored with all this well cooked food. I did read about your experience with the S.Boulardii and was planning to be VERY cautious with that!Thanks for your ideas and encouragement!kt>> Hey kt! It is very difficult to discern between die-off and just plain 'ole D. I've been struggling with this since the beginning of the diet. You are definitely still at an early enough stage of the diet (3 weeks, right?) that it could be die-off...> However, from looking at what you are eating, you are definitely jumping into some pretty advanced foods! Everyone is different so you may be one of the lucky ones who can advance to raw veggies sooner. But... 3 weeks does seem very early to be adding the raw foods and almond flour products.> It seems like you realize this, but are just looking for some outside confirmation > As far as D in the morning- that is very normal. That is when our bowels get active and I think a lot of people (including myself) have the toughest time. For example, I still have days when I will have gone 4 times by 10am and then I will only go 1 or 2 times the whole rest of the day!> I just started taking S. boulardii and I'll tell you what- it'll kick your butt! I don't think I knew what real die-off was until I actually took (too much) of it. I started with 1 pill and felt so feverish and achy by the next day. So I have only been taking 1/4 pill now. But I'll tell you what, I think in the 4 days I've been taking it I've really noticed a difference!> Sorry to ramble... in short, I encourage you to try the S.B. (but go slow!) and try to go back to some more stage 1-2 foods. I hope you'll be feeling better soon!> -Joanna> SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 22.5mg Prednisone> > > >I'm wondering if this D is from die off (whatever that is) or just me going to fast with foods that are too hard to digest. I decided to start over with the chicken/carrot soup regime, but still was having D, so now I'm cutting out the eggs to see if that helps. They were my major item in the morning along with the yogurt and dripped yogurt. I'm feeling pretty hungry and am losing some weight. I've also ordered some S. Boulardii, since it has been mentioned on this list as helpful for D. Can anyone give me some insight? This is the hardest time of year to NOT be eating fresh raw veges!> > kt> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 Wow - I am grateful I can eat more than just fruits and veges. I have been eating the yogurt and dripped yogurt and broiled fish and chicken along with the steamed veges and fruit sauces (homemade). I hope I can eat the almond bread sooner than 6 months.kt> >> > Hey kt! It is very difficult to discern between die-off and just plain 'ole D. I've been struggling with this since the beginning of the diet. You are definitely still at an early enough stage of the diet (3 weeks, right?) that it could be die-off...> > However, from looking at what you are eating, you are definitely jumping into some pretty advanced foods! Everyone is different so you may be one of the lucky ones who can advance to raw veggies sooner. But... 3 weeks does seem very early to be adding the raw foods and almond flour products.> > It seems like you realize this, but are just looking for some outside confirmation > > As far as D in the morning- that is very normal. That is when our bowels get active and I think a lot of people (including myself) have the toughest time. For example, I still have days when I will have gone 4 times by 10am and then I will only go 1 or 2 times the whole rest of the day!> > I just started taking S. boulardii and I'll tell you what- it'll kick your butt! I don't think I knew what real die-off was until I actually took (too much) of it. I started with 1 pill and felt so feverish and achy by the next day. So I have only been taking 1/4 pill now. But I'll tell you what, I think in the 4 days I've been taking it I've really noticed a difference!> > Sorry to ramble... in short, I encourage you to try the S.B. (but go slow!) and try to go back to some more stage 1-2 foods. I hope you'll be feeling better soon!> > -Joanna> > SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 22.5mg Prednisone> > > > > > >I'm wondering if this D is from die off (whatever that is) or just me going to fast with foods that are too hard to digest. I decided to start over with the chicken/carrot soup regime, but still was having D, so now I'm cutting out the eggs to see if that helps. They were my major item in the morning along with the yogurt and dripped yogurt. I'm feeling pretty hungry and am losing some weight. I've also ordered some S. Boulardii, since it has been mentioned on this list as helpful for D. Can anyone give me some insight? This is the hardest time of year to NOT be eating fresh raw veges!> > > kt> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 Hey! You know, with that extra bit of history you gave me, it got me wondering... how much yogurt are you eating every day? Since you were so tolerant of all that raw stuff before, it does seem weird that you would react so drastically now. The yogurt, though, would be something new that you have added, right? It can be very powerful and I wonder if it really is just too much die-off from the yogurt? Maybe you should try cutting back a bit and see if that helps? I know it is hard to do because it is so delicious! Just a thought -Joanna > > > > Hey kt! It is very difficult to discern between die-off and just plain > 'ole D. I've been struggling with this since the beginning of the diet. > You are definitely still at an early enough stage of the diet (3 weeks, > right?) that it could be die-off... > > However, from looking at what you are eating, you are definitely > jumping into some pretty advanced foods! Everyone is different so you > may be one of the lucky ones who can advance to raw veggies sooner. > But... 3 weeks does seem very early to be adding the raw foods and > almond flour products. > > It seems like you realize this, but are just looking for some outside > confirmation > > As far as D in the morning- that is very normal. That is when our > bowels get active and I think a lot of people (including myself) have > the toughest time. For example, I still have days when I will have gone > 4 times by 10am and then I will only go 1 or 2 times the whole rest of > the day! > > I just started taking S. boulardii and I'll tell you what- it'll kick > your butt! I don't think I knew what real die-off was until I actually > took (too much) of it. I started with 1 pill and felt so feverish and > achy by the next day. So I have only been taking 1/4 pill now. But I'll > tell you what, I think in the 4 days I've been taking it I've really > noticed a difference! > > Sorry to ramble... in short, I encourage you to try the S.B. (but go > slow!) and try to go back to some more stage 1-2 foods. I hope you'll be > feeling better soon! > > -Joanna > > SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 22.5mg Prednisone > > > > > > >I'm wondering if this D is from die off (whatever that is) or just me > going to fast with foods that are too hard to digest. I decided to > start over with the chicken/carrot soup regime, but still was having D, > so now I'm cutting out the eggs to see if that helps. They were my > major item in the morning along with the yogurt and dripped yogurt. I'm > feeling pretty hungry and am losing some weight. I've also ordered some > S. Boulardii, since it has been mentioned on this list as helpful for D. > Can anyone give me some insight? This is the hardest time of year to > NOT be eating fresh raw veges! > > > kt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 2 1/2 years and haven't attempted salad or incooked fruit - well with yeast don't do fruit excect cooked berries anyway - BUT I just gave my son (scd 11 months now) raw apple with skin and he's fine - go slow eileen > > > > Hey kt! It is very difficult to discern between die-off and just plain 'ole D. I've been struggling with this since the beginning of the diet. You are definitely still at an early enough stage of the diet (3 weeks, right?) that it could be die-off... > > However, from looking at what you are eating, you are definitely jumping into some pretty advanced foods! Everyone is different so you may be one of the lucky ones who can advance to raw veggies sooner. But... 3 weeks does seem very early to be adding the raw foods and almond flour products. > > It seems like you realize this, but are just looking for some outside confirmation > > As far as D in the morning- that is very normal. That is when our bowels get active and I think a lot of people (including myself) have the toughest time. For example, I still have days when I will have gone 4 times by 10am and then I will only go 1 or 2 times the whole rest of the day! > > I just started taking S. boulardii and I'll tell you what- it'll kick your butt! I don't think I knew what real die-off was until I actually took (too much) of it. I started with 1 pill and felt so feverish and achy by the next day. So I have only been taking 1/4 pill now. But I'll tell you what, I think in the 4 days I've been taking it I've really noticed a difference! > > Sorry to ramble... in short, I encourage you to try the S.B. (but go slow!) and try to go back to some more stage 1-2 foods. I hope you'll be feeling better soon! > > -Joanna > > SCD 9/2009, Crohn's 1992, 22.5mg Prednisone > > > > > > >I'm wondering if this D is from die off (whatever that is) or just me going to fast with foods that are too hard to digest. I decided to start over with the chicken/carrot soup regime, but still was having D, so now I'm cutting out the eggs to see if that helps. They were my major item in the morning along with the yogurt and dripped yogurt. I'm feeling pretty hungry and am losing some weight. I've also ordered some S. Boulardii, since it has been mentioned on this list as helpful for D. Can anyone give me some insight? This is the hardest time of year to NOT be eating fresh raw veges! > > > kt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 I know what you mean PJ! Last summer I didn't get to eat anything raw. This summer I can have a thing or two in moderation. I had 3 of the most delicious strawberries ever tonight :-). I've also just discovered that my intestines are happier if I eat nut flour. Weird, I know, but experimentation has shown I have better BMs when I have at least one almond flour cracker. Now I wish I hadn't waited so long to start eating nut flour! Holly Crohn's SCD 12/01/08 > > > I did not tolerate nut flour breads until about 6 months on SCD and then barely. At 3 weeks I only tolerated fruits and veggies well cooked and pureed. I tolerated fresh pineapple after about 9 months and it took me a good year for apples and salads. > > Last summer was tough because I could not enjoy any produce, but thankfully this year I can. > > Hang in there. > > PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Hi Ellen, I think I'll try that this morning - I have a nice rip avo waiting.Thanks!kt>> Hi kt,> > Avocado-banana smoothies are pretty great in the morning. Very-filling! Good > luck > > Ellen> > > > > > ________________________________> To: BTVC-SCD > Sent: Sat, August 7, 2010 12:42:22 AM> Subject: Re: Die off?> > > Hi, I will try that - adding more variety later in the day. It seems like I'm > so famished in the morning, though. If I cut back on yogurt and eggs, that > doesn't leave me with much - guess I'll need to look into some breakfast > alternatives.> > kt> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 Huckleberries would be so yummy! Here is my basic cobbler recipe A few cups blueberries 1 cup ground almonds (whole or blanched) 1/4 cup melted butter 2 huge spoonfuls of honey sprinkle baking soda (1/2 tsp) dash dalt I put a few cups of berries in a casserole dish. I grind the whole almonds or slivered almonds in the food processor until they make a soft flour (maybe two minutes), then mix the almond flour with the butter, honey, baking soda, & salt. I bake at 350* for 40 minutes (or a lil' longer). I buy bulk nuts at Winco (local grocery store) are around $3 per pound, and grinding the nuts myself seems so much better for my system. I think it tastes way better too! I make amazing blueberry muffins with homeground almond flour too (recipe on blog below). For the smooties - at first I was using cooked berries just to be safe, but I have no problems with raw blueberries or cherries! I can buy 8 lb boxes of blueberries for $9 each here in Oregon right now, already frozen. A little while back an article was floating around this listserve about the benefits of blueberries & probiotics for healing the gut. I totally believe it now! I also cooked the local cherries down to a bbq sauce at first - and it was amazing on baby back pork ribs. I am determined to eat my fruit - even if that means making bbq sauce out of it! I am going to try peach bbq sauce next, as I have a peach tree that will be ready for picking soon. I started this blog about doing the SCDiet, you can find the cherry bbq sauce recipe there too: http://www.farmgirldiet.blogspot.com/ good luck! SCD 9 weeks > > > > > > Hi, I will try that - adding more variety later in the day. It > seems like I'm so famished in the morning, though. If I cut back on > yogurt and eggs, that doesn't leave me with much - guess I'll need to > look into some breakfast alternatives. > > > > > > kt > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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