New to SCD

[Guest guest]

I'm glad to hear that you're going to start over with the intro diet. The intro

should only be done for 2-5 days depending on your situation. If diharea

persists, do the intro for five days, but no more even if diharea continues. If

your son doesn't have diharea, two days is sufficient. Are you aware of which

brands of juices are OK to use on SCD? Please remember to use all pealed,

seeded, and cooked fruits and veggies for many months to come. Also, introduce

foods very slowly...maybe only two per week to allow time to discern whether he

can tolerate the food. Keep a little notebook with daily notes of what he ate

and drank, and his behaviors, bowel habits, ect. As his gut begins to clean

out-those bad pathogens die off whether they be yeast, parasites, beacteria, and

other bad stuff in there-it will leave behind new, tender tissue in the lining

of his intestines. Unpealed or uncooked foods, or other things like whole nuts,

seeds, ect. are difficult to digest, and will also irritate that tender, new

tissue. Unripe bannanas are one of the most difficult things to digest. He was

obviously in great pain from the nuts and green bannana. If you haven't already

seen the chart in the food preparation section of pecanbread.com, please take a

look at it. While it is not the Bible of which foods to introduce in what

order, it will give you an idea of which foods are easiest on his little body to

digest as he allows his body to heal. Being very cautious to stick to SCD legal

foods, and not giving him new foods too quickly are the best thing that you can

do to help him. You will be anxious to have more flexibility with your cooking

and food choices, but you must remember that slow and steady wins the race.

Meleah

New to SCD

Hello All,

I have a 3 yr old and have just in the past week discovered this

wonderful diet. I started back in the beginning of December learning

about diet and spectrum disorders. I started with less sugar, no

gluten, no dairy and no processed foods. Then I discovered food

sensitivities and had an ALCAT blood test done. 19 food

sensitivities...so then I cut out all of those which included sugar,

yeast, Gluten and a whole bunch more. The yeast and gluten

sensitivities lead me to leaky gut and then I found Breaking the

Vicious Cyle and now I have found yall. It has been a long journey

to get here but I know I have finally found the answer for my son. I

am seeing positive changes in his stools already... although not

being accustomed to anything but mustardy, sticky stools....he could

be constipated for all I know. They are better formed but somedays

he will have a BM 4 to 7 times. Other days, hardly one and it is

small and somewhat hard. It is not consistent but at least some poops

are good. Before there were never healthy ones. My poor son isn't

potty trained because I think it is painful for him. He knows his

bowels are different and already is embarrased about them.

My family and friends are so tired of hearing about my son's Poop!

I am hoping that some of the members here understand why it is

important to my son's healing.

Anyway, I was following the SCD diet in the BTVC but just dove in

because I was so excited about the recipes etc that I did not begin

the intro to the diet correctly. I have started the suggested intro

today because I found Pecanbread.com.

What happens if my son accidently gets into an illegal food or if I

feed him something that is legal but he is not ready for. Will

he " relapse " in terms of behavior and poop in a few hours after

ingesting the illegal? I can tell when he has eaten

something...today he had a banana that was not ripe enough and some

pistachio nuts. He was bumping into walls and falling down and

rolling around on the ground and seemed to not beable to walk...but

laughing at the same time. He would be fine and then run up to me

and hit me...Yelling " Stop It! " and " Go Away " . He started crying

saying his tummy hurt and I held a pillow on his tummy.

Sorry to babble....I guess my question is was all this behavior I

described from the banana and pistachios? If so, does the behavior

stop once those items have gone through his system? Also, what about

dairy? He seemed to react to butter when I was cooking using butter

the past 5 days. I made some homemade yogurt according to BTVC...not

knowing I was not supposed to feed him dairy. Should I not feed him

any dairy ever or can some Spectrum kids tolerate the dairy without

Lactose?

Thanks so much...I am glad I found this group.

Hinojosa

Began the Intro to SCD diet officially today

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group ,

<< I have started the suggested intro

> today because I found Pecanbread.com.

>

> What happens if my son accidently gets into an illegal food or if I

> feed him something that is legal but he is not ready for. Will

> he " relapse " in terms of behavior and poop in a few hours after

> ingesting the illegal?>>

It depends on what he ate, how much of " it " he ate and the state of

his bowels. He may have have behaviour trouble or physical (pain

and/or bowel trouble) or he may have no visible signs of a relapse.

For some people it may not be hours but may take longer. Again there

are a number of variables and no one answer - each child and each

situation is different.

<< I can tell when he has eaten

> something...today he had a banana that was not ripe enough and some

> pistachio nuts. He was bumping into walls and falling down and

> rolling around on the ground and seemed to not beable to walk...but

> laughing at the same time. He would be fine and then run up to me

> and hit me...Yelling " Stop It! " and " Go Away " . He started crying

> saying his tummy hurt and I held a pillow on his tummy. >>

From the bowel movements you described he is not likely ready for

pistachios (even the hard to find legal ones). Also pistachios and

bannasa aren't on the intro. To help flush these items out of his

system stay on the intro for an extra day or two.

<< Sorry to babble....I guess my question is was all this behavior I

> described from the banana and pistachios? If so, does the behavior

> stop once those items have gone through his system? >>

The behaviour will likely stop once this items have passed through

his system and he has recovered from them.

<< Also, what about > dairy? He seemed to react to butter when I was

cooking using butter> the past 5 days. I made some homemade yogurt

according to BTVC...not knowing I was not supposed to feed him

dairy. Should I not feed him any dairy ever or can some Spectrum

kids tolerate the dairy without Lactose?

If he seemed to react to butter you should probably stop it for now.

In regular buttert here are some dairy proteins and a tiny amount of

lactose. Some people react to even this. They can use good oils,

coconut butter or ghee (clarified butter) instead.

He may not have trouble with the yogurt because the lactose is broken

down into glucose and galactose , which are easier to digest *But*

you should probably hold off for at least a few days to get him

resettled after the unripe banana and pistachios. If you introduce

yogurt now you won't know if he can tolerate yogurt or if he is

havinga continued problem because of the pistachios. When you are

ready to try the yogurt start with a tiny amount (1/4 - 1/8 tsp)

because he will likely go through die off . Starting smaller will

lessen the discomfort of die off symptoms (fatigue, some bloating

etc.)

See

http://pecanbread.com/badreaction.html

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and daniel

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your responses...It helps a lot. Is it possible that

he could already be going through some detox? or do you think it is

still the pistachios and banana? His face is red and he is whiney

and irritable and pulling the cat's tail and kicking the dog. I

honestly haven't seen him this bad in about a month or maybe longer.

Could this be die off already? I just started yesterday afternoon

with the intro diet (after the pistachio incident) Usually foods he

cannot tolerate don't do this and don't last this long.

Thanks so much...this is great having all of yall to ask questions!

>

> Welcome to the group ,

>

> << I have started the suggested intro

> > today because I found Pecanbread.com.

> >

> > What happens if my son accidently gets into an illegal food or if

I

> > feed him something that is legal but he is not ready for. Will

> > he " relapse " in terms of behavior and poop in a few hours after

> > ingesting the illegal?>>

>

> It depends on what he ate, how much of " it " he ate and the state of

> his bowels. He may have have behaviour trouble or physical (pain

> and/or bowel trouble) or he may have no visible signs of a

relapse.

> For some people it may not be hours but may take longer. Again

there

> are a number of variables and no one answer - each child and each

> situation is different.

>

> << I can tell when he has eaten

> > something...today he had a banana that was not ripe enough and

some

> > pistachio nuts. He was bumping into walls and falling down and

> > rolling around on the ground and seemed to not beable to

walk...but

> > laughing at the same time. He would be fine and then run up to

me

> > and hit me...Yelling " Stop It! " and " Go Away " . He started crying

> > saying his tummy hurt and I held a pillow on his tummy. >>

>

> From the bowel movements you described he is not likely ready for

> pistachios (even the hard to find legal ones). Also pistachios and

> bannasa aren't on the intro. To help flush these items out of his

> system stay on the intro for an extra day or two.

>

> << Sorry to babble....I guess my question is was all this behavior

I

> > described from the banana and pistachios? If so, does the

behavior

> > stop once those items have gone through his system? >>

>

> The behaviour will likely stop once this items have passed through

> his system and he has recovered from them.

>

>

> << Also, what about > dairy? He seemed to react to butter when I

was

> cooking using butter> the past 5 days. I made some homemade yogurt

> according to BTVC...not knowing I was not supposed to feed him

> dairy. Should I not feed him any dairy ever or can some Spectrum

> kids tolerate the dairy without Lactose?

>

> If he seemed to react to butter you should probably stop it for

now.

> In regular buttert here are some dairy proteins and a tiny amount

of

> lactose. Some people react to even this. They can use good oils,

> coconut butter or ghee (clarified butter) instead.

> He may not have trouble with the yogurt because the lactose is

broken

> down into glucose and galactose , which are easier to digest *But*

> you should probably hold off for at least a few days to get him

> resettled after the unripe banana and pistachios. If you introduce

> yogurt now you won't know if he can tolerate yogurt or if he is

> havinga continued problem because of the pistachios. When you are

> ready to try the yogurt start with a tiny amount (1/4 - 1/8 tsp)

> because he will likely go through die off . Starting smaller will

> lessen the discomfort of die off symptoms (fatigue, some bloating

> etc.)

>

> See

> http://pecanbread.com/badreaction.html

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

> mom of and daniel

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, yes. This could definitely be die off. You can give him epsin salts baths

and activated charcoal to alievate some of his discomfort. Just remember to

give activated charcoal at least one hour before his eats, and two hours after.

It absorbs everything in the gut like a sponge including nutrients, so you want

to make sure that he has had ample time to digest food and absorb their

nutrients before he gets activated charcoal. Also, many parents find it easier

on the child to give probiotics before bed.

Meleah

Re: New to SCD

Thank you for your responses...It helps a lot. Is it possible that

he could already be going through some detox? or do you think it is

still the pistachios and banana? His face is red and he is whiney

and irritable and pulling the cat's tail and kicking the dog. I

honestly haven't seen him this bad in about a month or maybe longer.

Could this be die off already? I just started yesterday afternoon

with the intro diet (after the pistachio incident) Usually foods he

cannot tolerate don't do this and don't last this long.

Thanks so much...this is great having all of yall to ask questions!

>

> Welcome to the group ,

>

> << I have started the suggested intro

> > today because I found Pecanbread.com.

> >

> > What happens if my son accidently gets into an illegal food or if

I

> > feed him something that is legal but he is not ready for. Will

> > he " relapse " in terms of behavior and poop in a few hours after

> > ingesting the illegal?>>

>

> It depends on what he ate, how much of " it " he ate and the state of

> his bowels. He may have have behaviour trouble or physical (pain

> and/or bowel trouble) or he may have no visible signs of a

relapse.

> For some people it may not be hours but may take longer. Again

there

> are a number of variables and no one answer - each child and each

> situation is different.

>

> << I can tell when he has eaten

> > something...today he had a banana that was not ripe enough and

some

> > pistachio nuts. He was bumping into walls and falling down and

> > rolling around on the ground and seemed to not beable to

walk...but

> > laughing at the same time. He would be fine and then run up to

me

> > and hit me...Yelling " Stop It! " and " Go Away " . He started crying

> > saying his tummy hurt and I held a pillow on his tummy. >>

>

> From the bowel movements you described he is not likely ready for

> pistachios (even the hard to find legal ones). Also pistachios and

> bannasa aren't on the intro. To help flush these items out of his

> system stay on the intro for an extra day or two.

>

> << Sorry to babble....I guess my question is was all this behavior

I

> > described from the banana and pistachios? If so, does the

behavior

> > stop once those items have gone through his system? >>

>

> The behaviour will likely stop once this items have passed through

> his system and he has recovered from them.

>

>

> << Also, what about > dairy? He seemed to react to butter when I

was

> cooking using butter> the past 5 days. I made some homemade yogurt

> according to BTVC...not knowing I was not supposed to feed him

> dairy. Should I not feed him any dairy ever or can some Spectrum

> kids tolerate the dairy without Lactose?

>

> If he seemed to react to butter you should probably stop it for

now.

> In regular buttert here are some dairy proteins and a tiny amount

of

> lactose. Some people react to even this. They can use good oils,

> coconut butter or ghee (clarified butter) instead.

> He may not have trouble with the yogurt because the lactose is

broken

> down into glucose and galactose , which are easier to digest *But*

> you should probably hold off for at least a few days to get him

> resettled after the unripe banana and pistachios. If you introduce

> yogurt now you won't know if he can tolerate yogurt or if he is

> havinga continued problem because of the pistachios. When you are

> ready to try the yogurt start with a tiny amount (1/4 - 1/8 tsp)

> because he will likely go through die off . Starting smaller will

> lessen the discomfort of die off symptoms (fatigue, some bloating

> etc.)

>

> See

> http://pecanbread.com/badreaction.html

>

> Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

> mom of and daniel

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

<<Is it possible that

> he could already be going through some detox? or do you think it is

> still the pistachios and banana? >>

It is hard to tell. Try the epsom salt baths and see if they make any

difference. If they don't let us know and tell us exactly what he is

eating and how it is cooked.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Sheila,

I believe he is already going through detox or die off because he has red

patches on his face and when I give him activated charcoal it gets better. He

has a cough and runny nose, very whiney and will throw things for no reason.

Usually a reaction to food only lasts 1 day max. Feb 13, 14 and 15 (1/2 day on

the 13) He had chicken pancakes with egg and chicken, chicken broth (homemade),

chicken meat balls with chicken and egg. Hamburger patty (fried but I sucked up

the grease with a towel), scrambled eggs, well cooked, pureed zucchini in the

pancakes. Today I gave him about 1/4 cup of homemade applesauce with no honey,

scrambled egg and chicken broth. I am roasting a chicken now to feed him for

lunch. I am supposing that I should only introduce the applesauce

today....nothing else, right?

Thanks

Hinojosa

3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007

[Norton AntiSpam] Re: New to SCD

Hi ,

<<Is it possible that

> he could already be going through some detox? or do you think it is

> still the pistachios and banana? >>

It is hard to tell. Try the epsom salt baths and see if they make any

difference. If they don't let us know and tell us exactly what he is

eating and how it is cooked.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

<< I believe he is already going through detox or die off because he

has red patches on his face and when I give him activated charcoal it

gets better. He has a cough and runny nose, very whiney and will

throw things for no reason. >>

Cold or flulike symptoms have been reported during die off. Have you

tried the epsom salt baths also , many find them helpful

see http://pecanbread.com/new/temporarysymptoms.html

<< well cooked, pureed zucchini in the pancakes.>>

Is the zucchini peeled ?

<< I am supposing that I should only introduce the applesauce

today....nothing else, right? >>

That's right, just one new food at a time : )

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

The zucchini is peeled and cooked well. On the 14th I didn't see any seeds in

the zucchini but yesterday I saw some seeds and deseeded. I guess the more ripe

the zucchini the more seeds. He has had like a cup of homemade

applesauce.....throughout the day. I let him have a teaspoon of honey by itself

today too. What do you think?

Hinojosa

3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007

[Norton AntiSpam] Re: New to SCD

Hi ,

<< I believe he is already going through detox or die off because he

has red patches on his face and when I give him activated charcoal it

gets better. He has a cough and runny nose, very whiney and will

throw things for no reason. >>

Cold or flulike symptoms have been reported during die off. Have you

tried the epsom salt baths also , many find them helpful

see http://pecanbread.com/new/temporarysymptoms.html

<< well cooked, pureed zucchini in the pancakes.>>

Is the zucchini peeled ?

<< I am supposing that I should only introduce the applesauce

today....nothing else, right? >>

That's right, just one new food at a time : )

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

<< The zucchini is peeled and cooked well. On the 14th I didn't see

any seeds in the zucchini but yesterday I saw some seeds and

deseeded. I guess the more ripe the zucchini the more seeds. >>

As long as the zucchini is small and young you don't need to deseed

it. The large, fat zucchini with big seeds should be deseeded.

<< He has had like a cup of homemade applesauce.....throughout the

day. I let him have a teaspoon of honey by itself today too. What do

you think? >>

That's a bit more applesauce than I would start with ...but all you

really need to do is watch to see if there is any change in symptoms

(good or bad). A food chart like Elaine outlines in BTVC is a good

idea. You can track food, behavioural and bowel symptoms and see if

there is any correlation with new foods ,supplements etc...

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

At 01:25 PM 6/11/2010, you wrote:

I was wondering how long one

should stay on the intro diet and if there are any other foods, other

than chicken soup, yogurt, and dry curd cottage cheese, that one can eat

on the intro diet? My diarrhea is still pretty bad. I tried eating baked

apples, but they were not digested very well.

The intro diet is intended to be for no more than 5 days. However, you

can start adding basic baked meats, and well-cooked vegetables. I'd

recommend peeled, steamed zucchini, and steamed, chopped spinach, myself,

and add in some turkey, beef, or bison.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

Babette the Foundling Beagle

[Guest guest]

Hello. I am new to SCD ... still on information overload from reading BTVC,

perusing websites, analyzing how to implement best for myself while not extreme

for my 11-year-old son (who apparently has no trouble eating anything).

Questions I have:

1) What do 11-year-old boys like to eat for breakfast that doesn't involve

pancakes made from almond flour? He doesn't like how they taste; have thought

about making muffins instead (need to get a muffin pan). What about lunches

that can be transported easily to school? He's a very picky eater and quit

taking lunches with him after a couple of months; would just wait to eat when he

got home.

2) When making SCD yogurt, how many minutes to keep the milk heated to 185

degrees in order to kill off bacteria?

3) Is anyone also following Eat Right 4 Your Type (ABO blood type evolution

diet) and cross-comparing allowed foods with SCD? ER4YT says blood type A (me)

ideal for vegetarian (lots of grains, soy, cultured dairy) ... have always had a

hard time with red meat and most dairy kicks up too much mucous. I already gave

up most grains (rice, corn, oats) months ago, but go back and forth with wheat

(bread). ER4YT says cheeses like feta and mozzarella okay, but not hard like

cheddar -- SCD is the opposite. They match on yogurt and farmers cheese, so

that's good. And I can still eat chicken, turkey and eggs.

That's all for now ... am sure more questions will arise later.

Thanks in advance for your help,

Margaret

[Guest guest]

At 10:09 PM 7/21/2010, you wrote:3) Is anyone also following Eat Right 4 Your Type (ABO blood type evolution diet) and cross-comparing allowed foods with SCD? ER4YT says blood type A (me) ideal for vegetarian (lots of grains, soy, cultured dairy) ... have always had a hard time with red meat and most dairy kicks up too much mucous. I already gave up most grains (rice, corn, oats) months ago, but go back and forth with wheat (bread). ER4YT says cheeses like feta and mozzarella okay, but not hard like cheddar -- SCD is the opposite. They match on yogurt and farmers cheese, so that's good. And I can still eat chicken, turkey and eggs.I've read ER4YT.And if I ate the diet for type As, it would kill me. Literally.Combining diets can be difficult, and is not recommended. There's no requirement for eating red meat. Mozzarella is loaded with lactose because of the way it's produced -- substitute provolone, instead. Feta is okay occasionally after at least six months of healing.I think it is worth reading this critique of the blood type diet on wikipedia which essentially points out that thescience does not hold up. Case in point, in his evolutionary tree of blood types, O is the most primitive andis the hunter - essentially paleolithic diet, the first strata of civilization. But, scientifically, this is not borne out, andA is currently considered to be the earliest blood type - but A type blood in this diet is assigned to the second strata, thefarmer:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_dietIt's a bit odd of a classification system, essentially based on strata of anthropology. So that we havehunters and gatherers and nomads and mystery types all simultaneously walking around randomlyat the same time. Apparently he says it is based on migration patterns - but then shouldn't most people in the samecultural group have the same blood type and there only be differentiation on the ends of the bell curves of that group. Also, apparently, other scientific tests have shown that there are no differences in "how the lectins react with a given human ABO type. In fact, research shows that lectins which are specific for a particular ABO type are not found in foods (except for one or two rare exceptions, e.g. lima bean), and that lectins with ABO specificity are more frequently found in non-food plants or animals." And this differentiation seems to be of major importance in how he *figures out* whichtypes can eat which foods - a system, by the way, that he does not reveal so that the science is clear. FWIWMara

[Guest guest]

Misty,Do you have to keep the milk around 180-185 deg for 5 minutes? I've been heating it to 180-185 and then pretty much immediately taking it off the heat and bringing it down to 110 in an ice bath. Am I doing it wrong?

Thanks,misha

 

1) I like omelets for breakfast. Smoothies with raw eggs are good too. Sometimes I'll take whatever veggies are left over from the night before and scramble them in eggs with cheese. Has he tried the banana pancakes without almond flour or have you tried coconut flour instead. I tolerate coconut flour much better than almond. Another yummy breakfast is hot cereal: http://www.scdrecipe.com/recipes-breakfast/hot-cereal/ (though I don't tolerate it anymore). www.scdietrecipe.com has a lot of breakfast ideas. As for lunch, if he likes soups or casseroles, you can get a thermos and send him some for lunch. It should still be hot when he takes lunch. Anything hot in a thermos is easy to transport to school. I don't know what he's eating though and that would make it easier to suggest. Fresh fruit salad to go with the soup/casserole?

2) I go 5 minutes.

3) Nope. I've never read the book but I know people on the list have commented that if they ate for their blood type, they would be super sick (Marilyn is one of them) so I never pursued it.

Misty Kimble

CD - no meds

SCD - Jan 2008

> 1) What do 11-year-old boys like to eat for breakfast that doesn't involve pancakes made from almond flour? He doesn't like how they taste; have thought about making muffins instead (need to get a muffin pan). What about lunches that can be transported easily to school? He's a very picky eater and quit taking lunches with him after a couple of months; would just wait to eat when he got home.

>

> 2) When making SCD yogurt, how many minutes to keep the milk heated to 185 degrees in order to kill off bacteria?

>

> 3) Is anyone also following Eat Right 4 Your Type (ABO blood type evolution diet)?

> Margaret

[Guest guest]

3-5 minutes is recommended.MaraMisty,Do you have to keep the milk around 180-185 deg for 5 minutes? I've been heating it to 180-185 and then pretty much immediately taking it off the heat and bringing it down to 110 in an ice bath. Am I doing it wrong?Thanks,misha 1) I like omelets for breakfast. Smoothies with raw eggs are good too. Sometimes I'll take whatever veggies are left over from the night before and scramble them in eggs with cheese. Has he tried the banana pancakes without almond flour or have you tried coconut flour instead. I tolerate coconut flour much better than almond. Another yummy breakfast is hot cereal: http://www.scdrecipe.com/recipes-breakfast/hot-cereal/ (though I don't tolerate it anymore). www.scdietrecipe.com has a lot of breakfast ideas. As for lunch, if he likes soups or casseroles, you can get a thermos and send him some for lunch. It should still be hot when he takes lunch. Anything hot in a thermos is easy to transport to school. I don't know what he's eating though and that would make it easier to suggest. Fresh fruit salad to go with the soup/casserole? 2) I go 5 minutes.3) Nope. I've never read the book but I know people on the list have commented that if they ate for their blood type, they would be super sick (Marilyn is one of them) so I never pursued it.Misty KimbleCD - no medsSCD - Jan 2008> 1) What do 11-year-old boys like to eat for breakfast that doesn't involve pancakes made from almond flour? He doesn't like how they taste; have thought about making muffins instead (need to get a muffin pan). What about lunches that can be transported easily to school? He's a very picky eater and quit taking lunches with him after a couple of months; would just wait to eat when he got home.> > 2) When making SCD yogurt, how many minutes to keep the milk heated to 185 degrees in order to kill off bacteria?> > 3) Is anyone also following Eat Right 4 Your Type (ABO blood type evolution diet)?> Margaret