Re: FW: STANDARD PROCESS

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Thank you for posting this information! I've been waiting to hear how Tracie was

doing and it sounds like she's doing wonderfully well!!! I've often wondered

why this group doesn't discuss diet more as a means of reducing symptoms...then

I think maybe I'm one of the lucky ones and just don't have Sarc as bad as most.

But I can tell you that sweeteners...especially the artificial ones are terrible

for me. Also red meat is a huge trigger of depression...I think maybe the uric

acid??? I try to eat more veggies. I limit my meat consumption to fish or

chicken. I do eat eggs and dairy in moderation. I rarely eat grains...maybe one

- two slices of all natural whole grain bread per week. I try to get food that

is organic or as chemical free as possible. Are my Sarc symptoms gone? Like

Tracie...no, but they are better if I eat right. Do I cheat on my diet? Yes,

but in very small amounts and never two days in a row. So my thoughts on the

subject for those that don't want to do the whole detox thing....at least start

taking at look at what you're eating. If its full of chemicals, it probably

isn't helping your condition. Just my two cents worth.

Glad you're doing better Tracie! Thanks for the update!!!

Deb Z.

Michigan

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> Tracie, thanks for explaining the process that you have been undergoing. As

usual, you expressed it well. As we have said before, every body is

different--reacts to disease & disorder differently, and responds to drugs &

other treatments differently. We all have to learn as much as we can about the

various options & then choose our path. We need to have doctors & other health

care providers who are willing to be open to alternative treatments & supportive

of our choices. In a perfect world, we would all have such providers. But since

it's not a perfect world, we'll have to do the best we can in trying to find

that support.

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> We are not recommending that all of you stop your meds & go with a totally

wholistic lifestyle. Tracie has been through just about everything a sarc

patient can, and it would not be right for us to withhold this information about

a program that has worked very well for her. This program requires total

commitment, and I'm not ready myself to make that commitment. But I am now

aware of this option & probably will explore & learn more about it. This is

what we need to do with ALL of our options. It's very difficult when we are

tired, depressed, in pain & can't think straight. It's so much easier to just

leave the decisions to our doctors. But since we have to live with the

outcomes, we really need to learn as much as we can about every treatment,

including alternative treatment options. We may need an advocate to help us--a

friend or family member who is willing to take on that responsibility. Final

decisions should still be ours, but an advocate can help to gather the

information needed for those decisions.

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> Ramblin' Rose

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> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:20:37 -0700

> From: tiodaat2001@...

> Subject: STANDARD PROCESS

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> oK, LET ME SEE IF i can clear this up.

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> Standard Process Whole Food Supplements and Herbs are not another " fad. " This

company was started in 1929-- and is the oldest Whole Food Supplement Company in

existence.

> We don't hear about it much, the providers of these supplements have to go

through extensive training in Nutrition, Whole Food Supplements, Muscle Testing

for sensitivities to food, enviromental toxins, heavy metals, pesticides, and so

SO much more. Each " module of training " requires a minimum of 100 hrs of

classroom time. Advanced levels require more time at each level.

> NO ONE is started on the supplements until you sit down with the Clinician,

and a health history is taken. That history and Q & A is entered into a program

where Standard Process evaluates it, and a " protocol " is suggested.

> The Clinician will test your muscle reaction to the various supplements, to

make sure that the supplement will be effective for you. They may find that it

will work on one body organ or site, but weaken another. So with that info, the

Clinician can tweak YOUR supplements to what you need.

> They may have to do the Standard Process Liver Detox prior to starting on a

protocol to address (for example) your lung issues. This Detox includes protein

shakes that include the vitamins, nutrients, minerals and enyzmes that you need

to help your liver clean itself out. The diet that you eat is one of raw veges

the first week, steamed or baked veges the 2nd week (along with your shakes)

and the 3rd week, you add back in lean meats.

> You stop all the grains, pastas, rice, potatoes, simple carbs, sugars, fruit,

sodas, caffeine and alcholol during the detox. You'll find you don't want them

back in your diet-- they are a HUGE trigger of inflammation.

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> This program has saved my life. Since the 27th or March 2010-- I've lost 58

lbs, and the only medication I'm taking is Enalapril for blood pressure, and

Levothyroid.

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> My Effexor, my methotrexate, the plaquenil, the Remicade, the prednisone --

are gone, and no longer needed. My diabetes is gone-- no more insulin and

glucophage. Thirty years of chronic pain from a back injury is at a 2-3/10

instead of the constant 8-12/10. The bone, lymph, and systemic joint pain is

also decreased to a 2-3. The oramorph is gone. Don't need it.

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> I still have fatigue- so I do have to listen to my body and if I'm tired-- I

spend a day resting. I still have sarcoidosis-- but I am improving my cardio

strength, my lung capacity -- the sarc induced arthritis and body pain-- like I

said, have gotten so much better. My feet and ankles still have the granulomas

and osteo-arthritis-- but they are NORMAL size-- unlike this last summer where

my legs from my knees down to my toes where all one size-- and that size didn't

fit my flesh. **

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> **It took until the end of July before my legs and feet came back to normal

size-- and for about 8 wks, it was as if I had a chemical burn (which I did

--pharmaceutical chemicals) that went from mid-calf to my toes. The skin was

bright red and hot to touch, and very painful. It was swollen 3x it's normal

size.

> Through the use of a addl supplements, and Epsom Salt Baths (and ice

plunges)-- my skin decided one day to slough off all that burnt, injured flesh,

and the end result has only mild edema if I spend the day on my feet, and my

legs haven't looked this good since I was in my 20's! **

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> As far as the switch from touting the benefits of Humira, Remicade, Imuran,

Prednisone, etc-- I have to say that what I know now is that they have their

place. It may have to be the path some or most of the group decides to travel.

That's ok. For me, I cannot recommend it without a lot of concerns. Many more

than I had when I started researching these particular meds.

>

> Will I tell someone in ACUTE flare that they shouldn't use or accept steroid

treatment " NO. " ACUTE needs IMMEDIATE INTERVENTION. It also is going to cause

the body pain, the extreme pain and fatigue, high blood pressure, diabetes. So

please- wean off, when you get to a place where you're backsliding-- your doc

should be having you go back up to the last level that worked, and stay there

for awhile, then slowly attempt the wean off again.

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> The medications that I was on had become what was killing me. Literally

killing me- I had gotten to a place where I was having heart attacks nightly,

and I seriously doubt that I'd be here now-- if I hadn't made the changes I

made.

>

> Diet, changing my diet to more veges, lean meat-- and eliminating the carbs

and empty calories- along with rebuilding my bodies ability to use my immunity

to combat disease--instead of healthy tissue-- via these supplements-- is

working for me.

>

> It isn't a fad, it isn't snake oil, no ones going to call you, market you, or

put you on the spam list from hell-- and they don't claim to CURE any disease.

These supplements bring your body bak to balance (homeostasis) and the closer

you get--- the better you feel.

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> Hope this helps,

> Tracie

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I'm sorry if I missed a thread here, but what course of treatment are you referring to concerning Tracie? Thanks for your patience at my spotty visits to the forum.To: neurosarcoidosis Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 6:12:18 PMSubject:

FW: STANDARD PROCESS

Tracie, thanks for explaining the process that you have been undergoing. As usual, you expressed it well. As we have said before, every body is different--reacts to disease & disorder differently, and responds to drugs & other treatments differently. We all have to learn as much as we can about the various options & then choose our path. We need to have doctors & other health care providers who are willing to be open to alternative treatments & supportive of our choices. In a perfect world, we would all have such providers. But since it's not a perfect world, we'll have to do the best we can in trying to find that support. We are not recommending that all of you stop your meds & go with a totally wholistic lifestyle. Tracie has been through just about everything a sarc patient can, and it would not be right for

us to withhold this information about a program that has worked very well for her. This program requires total commitment, and I'm not ready myself to make that commitment. But I am now aware of this option & probably will explore & learn more about it. This is what we need to do with ALL of our options. It's very difficult when we are tired, depressed, in pain & can't think straight. It's so much easier to just leave the decisions to our doctors. But since we have to live with the outcomes, we really need to learn as much as we can about every treatment, including alternative treatment options. We may need an advocate to help us--a friend or family member who is willing to take on that responsibility. Final decisions should still be ours, but an advocate can help to gather the information needed for those decisions. Ramblin' RoseModerator A merry heart is good medicine. Proverbs 17:22

Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:20:37 -0700From: tiodaat2001@...Subject: STANDARD PROCESSTo: mamadogrose@...; nsmods

oK, LET ME SEE IF i can clear this up.

Standard Process Whole Food Supplements and Herbs are not another "fad." This company was started in 1929-- and is the oldest Whole Food Supplement Company in existence.

We don't hear about it much, the providers of these supplements have to go through extensive training in Nutrition, Whole Food Supplements, Muscle Testing for sensitivities to food, enviromental toxins, heavy metals, pesticides, and so SO much more. Each "module of training" requires a minimum of 100 hrs of classroom time. Advanced levels require more time at each level.

NO ONE is started on the supplements until you sit down with the Clinician, and a health history is taken. That history and Q & A is entered into a program where Standard Process evaluates it, and a "protocol" is suggested.

The Clinician will test your muscle reaction to the various supplements, to make sure that the supplement will be effective for you. They may find that it will work on one body organ or site, but weaken another. So with that info, the Clinician can tweak YOUR supplements to what you need.

They may have to do the Standard Process Liver Detox prior to starting on a protocol to address (for example) your lung issues. This Detox includes protein shakes that include the vitamins, nutrients, minerals and enyzmes that you need to help your liver clean itself out. The diet that you eat is one of raw veges the first week, steamed or baked veges the 2nd week (along with your shakes) and the 3rd week, you add back in lean meats.

You stop all the grains, pastas, rice, potatoes, simple carbs, sugars, fruit, sodas, caffeine and alcholol during the detox. You'll find you don't want them back in your diet-- they are a HUGE trigger of inflammation.

This program has saved my life. Since the 27th or March 2010-- I've lost 58 lbs, and the only medication I'm taking is Enalapril for blood pressure, and Levothyroid.

My Effexor, my methotrexate, the plaquenil, the Remicade, the prednisone -- are gone, and no longer needed. My diabetes is gone-- no more insulin and glucophage. Thirty years of chronic pain from a back injury is at a 2-3/10 instead of the constant 8-12/10. The bone, lymph, and systemic joint pain is also decreased to a 2-3. The oramorph is gone. Don't need it.

I still have fatigue- so I do have to listen to my body and if I'm tired-- I spend a day resting. I still have sarcoidosis-- but I am improving my cardio strength, my lung capacity -- the sarc induced arthritis and body pain-- like I said, have gotten so much better. My feet and ankles still have the granulomas and osteo-arthritis-- but they are NORMAL size-- unlike this last summer where my legs from my knees down to my toes where all one size-- and that size didn't fit my flesh. **

**It took until the end of July before my legs and feet came back to normal size-- and for about 8 wks, it was as if I had a chemical burn (which I did --pharmaceutical chemicals) that went from mid-calf to my toes. The skin was bright red and hot to touch, and very painful. It was swollen 3x it's normal size.

Through the use of a addl supplements, and Epsom Salt Baths (and ice plunges)-- my skin decided one day to slough off all that burnt, injured flesh, and the end result has only mild edema if I spend the day on my feet, and my legs haven't looked this good since I was in my 20's! **

As far as the switch from touting the benefits of Humira, Remicade, Imuran, Prednisone, etc-- I have to say that what I know now is that they have their place. It may have to be the path some or most of the group decides to travel. That's ok. For me, I cannot recommend it without a lot of concerns. Many more than I had when I started researching these particular meds.

Will I tell someone in ACUTE flare that they shouldn't use or accept steroid treatment "NO." ACUTE needs IMMEDIATE INTERVENTION. It also is going to cause the body pain, the extreme pain and fatigue, high blood pressure, diabetes. So please- wean off, when you get to a place where you're backsliding-- your doc should be having you go back up to the last level that worked, and stay there for awhile, then slowly attempt the wean off again.

The medications that I was on had become what was killing me. Literally killing me- I had gotten to a place where I was having heart attacks nightly, and I seriously doubt that I'd be here now-- if I hadn't made the changes I made.

Diet, changing my diet to more veges, lean meat-- and eliminating the carbs and empty calories- along with rebuilding my bodies ability to use my immunity to combat disease--instead of healthy tissue-- via these supplements-- is working for me.

It isn't a fad, it isn't snake oil, no ones going to call you, market you, or put you on the spam list from hell-- and they don't claim to CURE any disease. These supplements bring your body bak to balance (homeostasis) and the closer you get--- the better you feel.

Hope this helps,

Tracie