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I need to talk. Today has been a really rough day. I had 2

appointments with a 2 different surgeons. One was with a general surgeon

who verified that I have a hernia. It seems pretty major but not an

emergency. There is large and small intestines in the herniated area.

The second appointment was with a plastic surgeon. I had gone to

him to see about getting the excess skin removed from my thighs at the

same time the hernia operation was done. I have had yeast infections and

sores behind my knees on and off for over 3 years. He basically stated

that it was probably not going to look great (never really an expectation

of mine), there was a potential of infection (ya think) and I would have

to look at wound care (no big deal.) Here come the but, he wants me to

consider having a revision to an RNY. He is concerned about me not

loosing more weight and having a hernia operation.

Here is the problem. I am not sure I want a revision. I suspect

that there may be a staple line disruption. I have not been scoped and

probably need to consider that. If there is a staple line disruption, is

a revision my only choice? Is the RNY the safest of the gastric

bypasses? This plastic surgeon and my general surgeon are both trying to

tell me a good multivitamin and Tums will be the only supplementation I

need. The Tums is a joke and a half and I know it but from everything I

have read, don't RNYers have to supplement more then that?

Sorry for all of the questions. I just got scared and started

digging in my shoes. My general surgeon wants me to think about it but

is not pushing in that direction. He would much rather me consider it

now then to decide I want it later. It would be easier to do the RNY and

then the hernia repair then the other way around. Any help you all can

give would be great.

Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

SRVG 7/16/01

Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

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Lori,

If you don't have a mechanical breakdown in your original surgery and are

still losing weight, I am certain you better than anyone can decide what is best

for you. If you don't want a revision, you shouldn't feel pushed into getting

one.

I chose the RNY basically because I had a friend who had the VBG and

ended up getting revised. To be frank I knew there was no chance in he** that

I'd do well with just restriction. I needed the malabsorption along with

restriction to lose weight. I don't mind having to take supplements, to me it's

worth it!

I hope you do first and foremost what you want and what is best for your

health.

M

> I need to talk. Today has been a really rough day. I had 2

> appointments with a 2 different surgeons. One was with a general surgeon

> who verified that I have a hernia. It seems pretty major but not an

> emergency. There is large and small intestines in the herniated area.

> The second appointment was with a plastic surgeon. I had gone to

> him to see about getting the excess skin removed from my thighs at the

> same time the hernia operation was done. I have had yeast infections and

> sores behind my knees on and off for over 3 years. He basically stated

> that it was probably not going to look great (never really an expectation

> of mine), there was a potential of infection (ya think) and I would have

> to look at wound care (no big deal.) Here come the but, he wants me to

> consider having a revision to an RNY. He is concerned about me not

> loosing more weight and having a hernia operation.

> Here is the problem. I am not sure I want a revision. I suspect

> that there may be a staple line disruption. I have not been scoped and

> probably need to consider that. If there is a staple line disruption, is

> a revision my only choice? Is the RNY the safest of the gastric

> bypasses? This plastic surgeon and my general surgeon are both trying to

> tell me a good multivitamin and Tums will be the only supplementation I

> need. The Tums is a joke and a half and I know it but from everything I

> have read, don't RNYers have to supplement more then that?

> Sorry for all of the questions. I just got scared and started

> digging in my shoes. My general surgeon wants me to think about it but

> is not pushing in that direction. He would much rather me consider it

> now then to decide I want it later. It would be easier to do the RNY and

> then the hernia repair then the other way around. Any help you all can

> give would be great.

> Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

> SRVG 7/16/01

> Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

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My mother had them fix her hernia's while they did the rny. It depends on

the surgeon and his expertise I guess. May want to talk to your surgeons

and see if the rny surgeon can do it in the same setting. If not, may not be

a bad thing to look for another surgeon and see if they could do it. My rny

surgeon would have fixed any hernias if I had had them too.

As for vitamins, the best page I found to explain our deficiencies and why

we have them and what we really need is:

www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com

Not saying you have to go with these, but the explanation is great on here.

It also goes into the calcium and which one is best for you, citrate..not

carbonate. My aunt took tums faithfully (she was a nurse), swore by it, got

us all to take them too, had kidney stones and she had osteoperosis (sp?)

not too long after. So *buzzer* not that great of stuff imo.

The rny - proximal's typically take normal amounts of vitamins that most

should be taking anyway imo on any fairly low cal diet. The ones who tend

to have to supplement more than the norm, are distals. Feel free to do your

own research.

Sherra

hernia/possible revision

> I need to talk. Today has been a really rough day. I had 2

> appointments with a 2 different surgeons. One was with a general surgeon

> who verified that I have a hernia. It seems pretty major but not an

> emergency. There is large and small intestines in the herniated area.

> The second appointment was with a plastic surgeon. I had gone to

> him to see about getting the excess skin removed from my thighs at the

> same time the hernia operation was done. I have had yeast infections and

> sores behind my knees on and off for over 3 years. He basically stated

> that it was probably not going to look great (never really an expectation

> of mine), there was a potential of infection (ya think) and I would have

> to look at wound care (no big deal.) Here come the but, he wants me to

> consider having a revision to an RNY. He is concerned about me not

> loosing more weight and having a hernia operation.

> Here is the problem. I am not sure I want a revision. I suspect

> that there may be a staple line disruption. I have not been scoped and

> probably need to consider that. If there is a staple line disruption, is

> a revision my only choice? Is the RNY the safest of the gastric

> bypasses? This plastic surgeon and my general surgeon are both trying to

> tell me a good multivitamin and Tums will be the only supplementation I

> need. The Tums is a joke and a half and I know it but from everything I

> have read, don't RNYers have to supplement more then that?

> Sorry for all of the questions. I just got scared and started

> digging in my shoes. My general surgeon wants me to think about it but

> is not pushing in that direction. He would much rather me consider it

> now then to decide I want it later. It would be easier to do the RNY and

> then the hernia repair then the other way around. Any help you all can

> give would be great.

> Lori Owen - Denton, Texas

> SRVG 7/16/01

> Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce

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In a message dated 10/21/2003 10:51:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Graduate-OSSG writes:

> hernia/possible revision

Lori

Why can't do the do the hernia repair at the same time as the revision to the

RNY?

Yes, we do need to supplement more than what your doc spoke about - the

amount depends on how much is bypassed, whether you are a proximal bypass,

medial

or a distal. I am medial (150 cm bypassed) and I take 2 adult chewable

multivits a day, 1000 mg of vitamin C, 500 mcg B12 sublingual, 1800 to 2000 mg

of

calcium citrate (NOT TUMS), 150 mg polysaccharide iron, and a few other

supplements (milk thistle, ground flaxseed meal, acidophilus and cranberry). I

just

have to be careful not to take the calcium within 2 hours of the iron and I have

to take the calcium in 3 to 4 divided doses throughout the day. Once you get

yourself into a schedule, its really easy. I do 2 to 3 protein shakes a day

- and I LOVE them.

I respect your being scared. Its a big decision. Its really important you

have confidence in the surgeon doing the procedure, too. I hope we can all

help you in this important decision. I'm keeping you in my prayers.

Sandy

Boca Raton, FL

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In a message dated 10/20/03 7:24:08 PM Central Daylight Time,

loriowen@... writes:

> My general surgeon wants me to think about it but

> is not pushing in that direction. He would much rather me consider it

> now then to decide I want it later. It would be easier to do the RNY and

> then the hernia repair then the other way around.

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Lori,

I agree that if you are in need of a hernia repair, NOW is the time to

consider if you want to revise your WLS. If you get your hernia repair and

then a year or two down the road decide to revise, you're more likely to have

to deal with a recurrence of your hernia (after the revision surgery) and then

get ANOTHER hernia repair. IF you want to revise, then it would be best to do

it all at once.

If it were me, Lori, I would seek the revision. While your VBG helped

you initially, I know that you have struggled mightily with regain issues and

you were unable to lose enough weight to get out of the morbidly obese

category. As another fellow VBGer, I definitely understand your reluctance to

move

to a gastric bypass (RNY) or even a BPD/DS. However, even if it is possible

to fix a staple line disruption and keep your VBG surgery (I'm not sure if it

is or not), you still have the odds against you given that you are still so far

away from goal weight. I know that it is by no means impossible to get there

with your VBG alone, but I think you would be giving yourself the best

possible chance if you revise to bypass.

You KNOW that I am fan of the VBG (knock on wood, I've been very

successful to date), but in my opinion, I wouldn't recommend it to someone who

was

more than 200 pounds overweight. You've educated yourself well by being here

on this list to know what a bypass would require of you in the way of

supplementing to stay healthy.

If my VBG were to fail, I would first seek out the VBG with gastric

sleeve (where they remove most of the stomach along the greater curvature and

then band the remaining portion -- jokingly referred to as " choking the

banana " ). However, if that were not available, or doable as a revision, I WOULD

opt

for the RNY. I would however, want a FOBI procedure where the outlet is

banded, to help guard against the possibility of stoma enlargement.

I realize that you were hit with this out of the blue and it has

dropped a difficult decision into your lap. Take some time to think it out.

Beth

Houston, TX

VBG - Dr. Srungaram

05/31/00 - 314 lbs.

11/01/02 - Abdominoplasty

11/29/02 - 160 lbs.

5'10 "

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