Re: ? about pushing up w/ arms and legs

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I've never heard of what sounds to me like low muscle tone being associated with torticollis. Low muscle tone is easily treated with pt, though. Which makes it surprising that your pt didn't assess that in the first place.Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "" <andrea.murr@...>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:56:25 -0000<Plagiocephaly >Subject: ? about pushing up w/ arms and legs Hello. My daughter is almost 5 months old and she has torticollis and plagiocephaly. We've been going to physical therapy for 3 weeks now. She will probably be getting a helmet in a week or two. My question is that the PT is slightly concerned because she won't even try to push up with her arms during tummy time or push up with her legs if you try to get her to. Is this common with Torticollis/plagio?

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I'm not sure if it's common, it sounds like most kids with tort have no other physical issues , though some do. My son was like that, he would never even try to push up for the longest time. He would just lay there and cry on his tummy no matter if I laid there with him and tried to play with him. I worked with him everyday , and helped him to get stronger to push up, and now he can push up, even onto his hands and knees and scoot backwards. Of course he still hates to be on his tummy but he is finally getting mobile! He is about to turn 9 mos. The PT told me it can make it hard to endure lifting the neck/tummy time if they have tort, which can then lead to more muscle weakness, or rather lack of muscle development...so I'm sure your son will learn soon, but he may need lots of encouragement like mine did.

btw, he loved it when I would clap for him when he did start to push up etc! this motivated him lol le From: <andrea.murr@...>Subject: ? about pushing up w/ arms and legsPlagiocephaly Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 11:56 AM

Hello. My daughter is almost 5 months old and she has torticollis and plagiocephaly. We've been going to physical therapy for 3 weeks now. She will probably be getting a helmet in a week or two. My question is that the PT is slightly concerned because she won't even try to push up with her arms during tummy time or push up with her legs if you try to get her to. Is this common with Torticollis/ plagio?

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The way it's been explained to me is that if they have low muscle tone in their

necks from the tort (one side is tight, the other side is weak), there is a good

chance low muscle tone could effect other parts of their bodies. My son had left

tort (left side was weak, right side was tight). I can't remember if he had a

hard time pushing up on his arms, but he graduated from PT for the tort at 6

months old. He crawled on time, but only military style until about 11 months

old, which I wonder if that had something to do with low muscle tone (not being

able to pull up to his knees). Then he didn't walk until he was 16 months old,

and when he did, he would lead with his right leg and kind of swing his left leg

(same side as his tort) around to meet it. I took him to the doctor to have it

checked (because there is also a history of hip displacia in our family) and he

said it was " just low muscle tone " and to encourage him to walk and climb things

and it will work itself out. I also took him back to his PT for a follow up just

to be sure, and she basically said the same thing. And it did work itself out.

In no time he was running and there was no longer a " hitch " in his step.

Fast forward 6 months or so, and I started him in ST because he was 2 and barely

speaking any words at all. Altough she wasn't an expert on tort, the ST

researched it and determined that there was residual low muscle tone in his face

from the tort that was making it hard for him to form his mouth properly to make

words/sounds. So we spent a lot of time on exercises to build muscle tone in his

cheeks/face.

So I've heard the phrase " low muscle tone " a lot with regards to my son (never

with my daughter who didn't have tort or plagio) so I think there can be a

correlation (maybe not a well-known or wide-spread one, but it's definitely not

too far of a stretch).

Jake-3 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)

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with torticollis. Low muscle tone is easily treated with pt, though. Which makes

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> Hello. My daughter is almost 5 months old and she has torticollis and

plagiocephaly. We've been going to physical therapy for 3 weeks now. She will

probably be getting a helmet in a week or two. My question is that the PT is

slightly concerned because she won't even try to push up with her arms during

tummy time or push up with her legs if you try to get her to. Is this common

with Torticollis/plagio?

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le explains it well...tort is painful, so they don't like tummy time and

don't WANT to try to push up on their arms, and therefore there can be a lack of

" normal " muscle development. Which can lead to " delays " in some form or another.

My son started PT when he was 2 months old (one of the lucky ones to be

diagnosed so early with tort) and he screamed his head off when the PT did

stretches for the first few weeks. If your daughter started PT at 5 months,

she's had a few extra months of tightness in her neck building up, so it might

just be more of a struggle for her.

Jake-3 (DOCBand Grad 9/08)

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> Hello. My daughter is almost 5 months old and she has torticollis and

plagiocephaly. We've been going to physical therapy for 3 weeks now. She will

probably be getting a helmet in a week or two. My question is that the PT is

slightly concerned because she won't even try to push up with her arms during

tummy time or push up with her legs if you try to get her to. Is this common

with Torticollis/ plagio?

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Just to clarify, there are multiple types of torticollis (ocular, muscular, etc) and of those multiple derivitives. I.E., muscular tortocollis can be in utero, positional, etc. It is worth diagnosing low muscle tone either in addition to or as part of the baby's tort to be sure the pt is maximized.Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "nwilkens2275" <nwilkens2275@...>Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:24:58 -0000<Plagiocephaly >Subject: Re: ? about pushing up w/ arms and legs le explains it well...tort is painful, so they don't like tummy time and don't WANT to try to push up on their arms, and therefore there can be a lack of " normal " muscle development. Which can lead to " delays " in some form or another. My son started PT when he was 2 months old (one of the lucky ones to be diagnosed so early with tort) and he screamed his head off when the PT did stretches for the first few weeks. If your daughter started PT at 5 months, she's had a few extra months of tightness in her neck building up, so it might just be more of a struggle for her. Jake-3 (DOCBand Grad 9/08) > > From: <andrea.murr@...>> Subject: ? about pushing up w/ arms and legs> Plagiocephaly > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 11:56 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hello. My daughter is almost 5 months old and she has torticollis and plagiocephaly. We've been going to physical therapy for 3 weeks now. She will probably be getting a helmet in a week or two. My question is that the PT is slightly concerned because she won't even try to push up with her arms during tummy time or push up with her legs if you try to get her to. Is this common with Torticollis/ plagio?>

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Thanks for the input. Our PT seems very good and on top of it much more that

the peds were, so hopfully we're on the right track.

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plagiocephaly. We've been going to physical therapy for 3 weeks now. She will

probably be getting a helmet in a week or two. My question is that the PT is

slightly concerned because she won't even try to push up with her arms during

tummy time or push up with her legs if you try to get her to. Is this common

with Torticollis/ plagio?

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My son is now 7 1/2 mo and has been in his Starband about 3 weeks now. At about

5 mo he was doing little pushing up, only to his elbows and hating every minute

of it. But by 6 mo he would push up with straight arms and was steady sitting.

Our PT believed his torticollis combined with his weight- 21 lbs at the time,

and the 1/2 lb of helmet made it harder for him and thus a little bit slower.

She always uses the analogy of carrying a jug of milk with your arm held out to

compare with the idea of helmet weight. I would say give your little one a

couple of weeks. I'm finding that a week after I start to worry he does what he

wants to do.

Traci

7 1/2 mo Starband

Tulsa, OK

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> I've never heard of what sounds to me like low muscle tone being associated

with torticollis. Low muscle tone is easily treated with pt, though. Which makes

it surprising that your pt didn't assess that in the first place.

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> ? about pushing up w/ arms and legs

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> Hello. My daughter is almost 5 months old and she has torticollis and

plagiocephaly. We've been going to physical therapy for 3 weeks now. She will

probably be getting a helmet in a week or two. My question is that the PT is

slightly concerned because she won't even try to push up with her arms during

tummy time or push up with her legs if you try to get her to. Is this common

with Torticollis/plagio?

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