Re: Leaks, Diarrea, Farts, Oh My!!!

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In a message dated 11/17/01 2:41:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, asaz@...

writes:

> . Why do ds'ers ALWAYS SAY THEY

> CAN EAT ANYTHING THEY WANT. If fats i.e ribs, burgers fries, fried

> chicken,butter cause them to have the just have to limit fats " well

> how is that having anything u want. runs, oil slicks and a pig pen

> odor.

Honestly, I can eat anything I want. Fried foods, butter, fatty meats, you

name it - I can eat it. I do not have runs, oil slicks or pig pen odor. I

realize I may be the exception to the rule regarding the runs, but it does

happen to be true in my case.

Dawna

[Guest guest]

> AMEN DAN!!!!!!!!!! me too! I guess some just can not believe that we have

> it so good!

>

> Judie

And Judie, I believe there are some people out there who would rather NOT

believe it. Forgive me for being the eternal pessimist, but does anybody

else smell disgruntled RNYer in our midst? Oh and while I'm here...I eat

anything and everything that doesn't bite back. Yesterday's menu included

ribs, french fries, corn on the cob dripping with butter, ribeye steak with

bleu cheese, salad and ranch dressing, strawberries, grapes, and cherries.

OH and a Twix candy bar, chips, pretzels, and walnuts. <G> Fat? BRING it

ON!

Michele B., Cols, Ohio

Failed VBG 1986

Revision - Open BPD/DS 7/14/00

Wt 320/161 BMI 50.2/25.2 -159 pounds

Dr. P. Maguire, Kettering OH

Self-pay

Brachioplasty, Mastopexy, Abdominoplasty, Lateral Trunk Excision - 12/8/01

Self-pay

http://hometown.aol.com/chezmich/index.html

[Guest guest]

The truth is that I had a leak ONCE very early preop! I thought it was gas,

gave it a little help and LEARNED. I have never had a leak since.

I do eat anything I want. I eat a lot of fat. I have NEVER embarrassed

myself with a foul smell from gas around me. I teach LD/BD high school

students and believe me it wouldn't fly well to have stinky gas. I am over

1.5 years out. I have taught 1.25 school years since having my surgery. I

ONCE had a teacher cover my class at about 5 months post op because I felt I

couldn't wait an hour to use the washroom.

My poop does have a distinct and more lingering smell to it. But my poop did

not smell like roses before surgery. I use candles, matches, and ozium. I

am very conscientious about not leaving a terrible odor after myself and have

succeeded. My children have never even made any mention of any additional

smell from me.

Occasionally I have a " bubbly colon " feeling. Which means I COULD produce

gas if I decided to let it rip? However, it is easily controlled until I am

in an appropriate place -- the washroom. I have gone hours between the

" bubbly colon " feeling and when I actually expel the gas or BM in the privacy

of my own washroom.

Dawn--South Suburban Chicago area

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 165 5' 4 "

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/17/2001 6:56:56 PM Central Standard Time,

melaniemag@... writes:

> Sometimes my farts smell, sometimes they are completely undetectable --

> just like pre-op!

Oh! I am so jealous!!

Dawn--South Suburban Chicago area

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 165 5' 4 "

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I eat WHATEVER I WANT....again, WHATEVER I WANT!

After the first 6-8 weeks, no gas, no loose bowel movements,

NO NUTIN, but weight loss. I EAT WHATEVER I WANT!

I wanted to tell YOU!

DAN

> Okay lets have the truth about DS'ers. Someones earlier post was

> asking about the truth about rny'ers having problems, but isnt it

> true that ds'ers have problems that are just different. Rnys have

it

> coming out of the top half all the time and ds'ers have it comong

out

> of the bottom half all the time. And I am under the impression that

> all of these problems for both types can be avoided by following

the

> rules for each. I am not pro rny, i would like ds but in all

fairness

> it seems to me the DS side affects can be anoying and down right

> embarrassing. People I think would be more empathtic of vomiting

> than " s---ting " all over the place. Why do ds'ers ALWAYS SAY THEY

> CAN EAT ANYTHING THEY WANT. If fats i.e ribs, burgers fries, fried

> chicken,butter cause them to have the just have to limit fats " well

> how is that having anything u want. runs, oil slicks and a pig pen

> odor. I have seen post in the past that say " I can eat what I

want "

> We all did not get fat from eating salads with vinegar and mineral

> H20. I am not trying to bash any type of surgery. I just wish all

> post ops, RNY'ers and Ds'ers will report the truth. I have already

> made up my mind I will not be able to eat the same types of foods

and

> not have issues. I am thinking of choosing the DS based on greater

> long term weight loss. I am sadded that will not be able to have

ribs

> and potatoe salad at barbecues with out paying a cost that will

> remind me of my life long stuggles with obesity.BB

[Guest guest]

Ok--here is the truth obout my DS.

I am just shy of 5 weeks out--and I am gosh danged suprized how well

I am doing.

My toots are smellier--but they are only in the morning before I get

up and go.

My stools are loose when I omit calcium, and soft mush when I take

it. I have been experiementing with the calcium deal---kind of funny

how it firms up the poop.

I can't eat alot yet---at one time that is. I eat what yanks my

chain, if after one bite feels funny I go on to something else. I

loved eggs preop--for some reason they feel like rocks--so for

breakfast I have been eating shredded chicken, or pork or beef,

sometimes with a little cheese on it. I would think that would be

heavier than eggs, go figure.

I have not had any nausea--I have not thrown up--a few times I ate

one bite too many and felt discomfort--but I laid down on my right

side to help some of the air escape with burping and help the food

flow out of the tummy.

The only " setback " , is I had a coughing jag and pulled at some

muscles that are still healing--and well, they ache all the time.

But I think time and Advil is taking care of that.

I thank God I can eat what I think tastes good, that I don't have to

chew it to gravy, and that I won't ever have to drink a meat

tenderizer cocktail to prevent an endoscopic removal of food.

And that's the truth...........

Pammi

switched in Spain 11.15.01

26#'s gone!!

[Guest guest]

I haven't have diarrhea since the first couple of weeks postop. Nor am I

lactose intolerant. My gas seems to be under control. I think I don't have

any problems lately is because of the length of my common channel. I carry my

bottle of spray with me but have not had occasion to need it for weeks in

public. I know others have some of these problems and they have been honest

about them. I was honest about them when I had them the first couple of weeks

and must admit I have been amazed that they have gone away but I think it has

been a trade off with a more gradual weight loss. I think you have to be

prepared for the worst and hope for the best. DR Herron told me all the side

effects and I went in with my eyes wide open and signed the consent and I

have been lucky so far...

NYC MT. SINAI

JUNE 2001

lap BPD/DS

[Guest guest]

BB, I think RNY woould be the best option for you. Seems to me you

want to contine the punishment and abuse of your mind. As for the

diarrhea, smelly farts and oil slicks.....I had those before in

various degrees. As far as the picnics....If I want a rib or burger I

will eat a freaking rib or 2. I am 116 days postop have lost 96

pounds as of last weigh in on the 8th of November. I eat

ribs,pasta,steak,potato salad,ham steak,burgers,hot dogs and just

about anything I care to eat and can afford. I have never had a

shitting accident or made a place smell like a pig sty. I am able to

eat anything I like in moderation. Do I have diarrhea? Yep. Does it

stink? Yep. Do I live on the toilet everyday? Nope. Somedays I have

one B.M. other days I have several. The same foods that gave me gas

pains still do, gravy for my pasta and braciole makes me gassy just

like before. RNY's that I have contact can't drink with their meals

and to quote one lady " I, chew my food until it is mush " . She by the

way is 9 months postop......Why does she do this??????? Because she

has been to the e.r. several times for a roto rooter job. Both of

these surgeries have pros and cons....Who the hell knows we might all

drop dead exactly 7 yrs 5 months 13 days postop. But you know what I

am going to be healthier,happier and more active than I have been in

the last 4 years. This is the truth as it relates to my situation. I

had a period of days where I puked everything I ate for 10 days. My

doctor ordered a UGI/SBFT and it ended up all had was an Adeno Virus

given to me with love by my fiancees son.

> Okay lets have the truth about DS'ers. Someones earlier post was

> asking about the truth about rny'ers having problems, but isnt it

> true that ds'ers have problems that are just different. Rnys have

it

> coming out of the top half all the time and ds'ers have it comong

out

> of the bottom half all the time. And I am under the impression that

> all of these problems for both types can be avoided by following

the

> rules for each. I am not pro rny, i would like ds but in all

fairness

> it seems to me the DS side affects can be anoying and down right

> embarrassing. People I think would be more empathtic of vomiting

> than " s---ting " all over the place. Why do ds'ers ALWAYS SAY THEY

> CAN EAT ANYTHING THEY WANT. If fats i.e ribs, burgers fries, fried

> chicken,butter cause them to have the just have to limit fats " well

> how is that having anything u want. runs, oil slicks and a pig pen

> odor. I have seen post in the past that say " I can eat what I

want "

> We all did not get fat from eating salads with vinegar and mineral

> H20. I am not trying to bash any type of surgery. I just wish all

> post ops, RNY'ers and Ds'ers will report the truth. I have already

> made up my mind I will not be able to eat the same types of foods

and

> not have issues. I am thinking of choosing the DS based on greater

> long term weight loss. I am sadded that will not be able to have

ribs

> and potatoe salad at barbecues with out paying a cost that will

> remind me of my life long stuggles with obesity.BB

[Guest guest]

I have never, and I mean never, shit all over the place. I also

don't smell like a pig pen, and I am not all that thrilled about

being referred to as a liar, thank-you very much.

For the first few months after surgery greasy foods did make my

stools oily and quite smelly, and much more frequent. For that

reason I steared clear of very greasy stuff, like bacon, but I ate

tuna or chicken salad with plenty of mayo in it all the time without

any problem (I'm assuming you are mourning the loss of pototo salad

because of the mayo?). But I am almost 7 months out, back to eating

bacon and WHATEVER I WANT, my stools have firmed up and lessened to

two, sometimes 3 a day. The smell has lessened a great deal although

when I eat something very greasy it is a bit more smelly than usual.

I hardly have any gas, much less than before surgery, prolly because

I don't drink as much soda.

In the last week I've had KFC chicken, bacon, ribs, tacos from Taco

Belle (plenty greasy), french fries, an eggroll, and WHATEVER I WANT.

Considering you haven't had either surgery yet you might want to not

take such an authoritive stance and accuse everyone of glossing over

the truth.

I have a friend that had the RNY and unless she eats what is

basically pureed food, she vomits with EVERY meal. Every single

one. I'd much rather have a stinky crap a couple times a day, eat

WHATEVER I WANT (like carrot and celery sticks, something a RNY can't

do), and not be vomiting or gulping meat tenderizor. So what if it

reminds me of my lifelong struggle with obesity, who cares, better

that as a reminder than riding around in a scooter.

Barbi

Lap DS 4/24/01

Starting BMI 61

Current BMI 40

-120 pounds

> Okay lets have the truth about DS'ers. Someones earlier post was

> asking about the truth about rny'ers having problems, but isnt it

> true that ds'ers have .....People I think would be more empathtic

of vomiting

> than " s---ting " all over the place. Why do ds'ers ALWAYS SAY THEY

> CAN EAT ANYTHING THEY WANT. If fats i.e ribs, burgers fries, fried

> chicken,butter cause them to have the just have to limit fats " well

> how is that having anything u want. runs, oil slicks and a pig pen

> odor. I have seen post in the past that say " I can eat what I

want "

[Guest guest]

> > Okay lets have the truth about DS'ers. Someones earlier post was

> > asking about the truth about rny'ers having problems, but isnt it

> > true that ds'ers have problems that are just different. Rnys have

> it

> > coming out of the top half all the time and ds'ers have it comong

> out

> > of the bottom half all the time. And I am under the impression

that

> > all of these problems for both types can be avoided by following

> the

> > rules for each. I am not pro rny, i would like ds but in all

> fairness

> > it seems to me the DS side affects can be anoying and down right

> > embarrassing. People I think would be more empathtic of vomiting

> > than " s---ting " all over the place. Why do ds'ers ALWAYS SAY

THEY

> > CAN EAT ANYTHING THEY WANT. If fats i.e ribs, burgers fries,

fried

> > chicken,butter cause them to have the just have to limit fats "

well

> > how is that having anything u want. runs, oil slicks and a pig

pen

> > odor. I have seen post in the past that say " I can eat what I

> want "

> > We all did not get fat from eating salads with vinegar and

mineral

> > H20. I am not trying to bash any type of surgery. I just wish all

> > post ops, RNY'ers and Ds'ers will report the truth. I have

already

> > made up my mind I will not be able to eat the same types of foods

> and

> > not have issues. I am thinking of choosing the DS based on

greater

> > long term weight loss. I am sadded that will not be able to have

> ribs

> > and potatoe salad at barbecues with out paying a cost that will

> > remind me of my life long stuggles with obesity.BB

[Guest guest]

> Okay lets have the truth about DS'ers.

The truth is that we are all different! I eat a pretty high fat diet,

and my stools are not affected adversely by that. Unlike some others, I

do have " silent " farts now just as I did pre-op. I'm no more gassy now

than I was pre-op (as long as I take my Dairy Care -- one tablet a day).

Sometimes my farts smell, sometimes they are completely undetectable --

just like pre-op! My poops are softer than pre-op, and the smell is

different than pre-op -- not worse, just different. It's like comparing

sh*t and sh*t, ya know? Both of them aren't pretty, but some are

different from others. LOL. That's my truth. I'm 2+ years post-op, and I

do indeed eat whatever the hell I want, including liberal treat. My

bowel movements are regular, not overly frequent, and never urgent. My

fart smells vary from smelly to undetectable. I have zero downside.

Maybe some people don't want to believe that, but it is the gods honest

truth. I am normal, normal, normal for the first time in my life. Thank

god for this procedure!!!

M.

---

in Valrico, FL, age 39

Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10/19/99

Starting weight 299, now 153

Starting BMI 49.7, now 25.5

Starting size 26/28, now 10/12

http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/M/melaniem.html

Direct replies: mailto:melanie@...

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[Guest guest]

As a DSer who is one year out now I can truthfully tell you that I have had

no long term problems with the smell or diahrea or any of those things and I

CAN EAT ANYTHING I WANT....including fried chicken, potato salad and bar b

qued ribs! I dont pay any cost other than occasional gas but heck, you get

that anyway surgery or not! People who have not had the surgery also get

heartburn and bad gas if they eat too many fried foods so whats the

difference?

I had more gas than usual for the first 3 months after surgery while my

plumbing was getting used to doing things differently but now......I have no

problems! I can certainly deal with problems below the waist much easier

than constant vomitting and stoma closures.....

Judie

Leaks, Diarrea, Farts, Oh My!!!

> Okay lets have the truth about DS'ers. Someones earlier post was

> asking about the truth about rny'ers having problems, but isnt it

> true that ds'ers have problems that are just different. Rnys have it

> coming out of the top half all the time and ds'ers have it comong out

> of the bottom half all the time. And I am under the impression that

> all of these problems for both types can be avoided by following the

> rules for each. I am not pro rny, i would like ds but in all fairness

> it seems to me the DS side affects can be anoying and down right

> embarrassing. People I think would be more empathtic of vomiting

> than " s---ting " all over the place. Why do ds'ers ALWAYS SAY THEY

> CAN EAT ANYTHING THEY WANT. If fats i.e ribs, burgers fries, fried

> chicken,butter cause them to have the just have to limit fats " well

> how is that having anything u want. runs, oil slicks and a pig pen

> odor. I have seen post in the past that say " I can eat what I want "

> We all did not get fat from eating salads with vinegar and mineral

> H20. I am not trying to bash any type of surgery. I just wish all

> post ops, RNY'ers and Ds'ers will report the truth. I have already

> made up my mind I will not be able to eat the same types of foods and

> not have issues. I am thinking of choosing the DS based on greater

> long term weight loss. I am sadded that will not be able to have ribs

> and potatoe salad at barbecues with out paying a cost that will

> remind me of my life long stuggles with obesity.BB

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

After the first 6-8 weeks, no gas, no loose bowel movements,

NO NUTIN, but weight loss. I EAT WHATEVER I WANT!

DAN

AMEN DAN!!!!!!!!!! me too! I guess some just can not believe that we have

it so good!

Judie

[Guest guest]

I'm pre-op and I honestly don't know what it is going to be like for

me after surgery. I still can't believe the people are saying that

they can eat whatever they want, but I would never assume that

means they are lying about post-op life. After a lifetime of dieting

and feeling conscious or guilty about food, I simply cannot

imagine what it is like to not be like that...to eat whatever I want. I

certainly wouldn't mind finding out, though.

I was at a post-op meeting the other night. One woman told a

story about how for months after her surgery everything made

her sick...that she could barely eat anything without vomiting or

becoming nauseous. There was another post-op woman who

was about a year post-op who said that nothing ever made her

sick, not ever. There were others who talked about how they had

to experiment for awhile to find out what foods they could tolerate

for whatever reason. I imagine that, barring complications, the

first year or so - maybe the entire window - will be a process of

adjustment and experimentation in seeing what is going to work

and what isn't. I'm 100% prepared for the idea that I'll become

lactose-intolerant (I'm practically that way anyway), but other than

that, I'll take it as it comes...or goes, so to speak.

Good luck to us all,

surgery date: 1/28/02

[Guest guest]

I am extremely sensitive to smells, good, bad, neutral. My

entire memory bank in my brain is triggered by smells. I'm

extremely scent-conscious, I can identify anything, I can

sniff out anything. Anything. Sometimes it's a wonderful

gift, sometimes it's an utterly disgusting curse.

From what I've read about the possible digestive impact of a

DS and the resulting.... ummm.... er..... shall we say....

smells, I've come to the conclusion that the rumor that

DS'ers are smelly was started by someone with a teeny tiny

mind, no sense of humor whatsoever and a nose that needs a

spring cleaning.

I would not contemplate this surgery if I thought I was

going to be stinky for the rest of my life. And I'm

confident that I won't be because it's an old wives tale

told by old wives with dirty fingernails.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Jean.

[Guest guest]

I imagine that, barring complications, the

first year or so - maybe the entire window - will be a process of

adjustment and experimentation in seeing what is going to work

and what isn't. >>>>>>>

That was well said, ! Basically, I think if you tolerate all foods now

then after surgery it will be pretty much the same. I wasnt lactose

intolerant pre opt but am now but its no big deal. I dont drink milk (never

liked it anyway) and hate ice cream so its not a problem with me. I can

tolerate yogurt and cheese so thats good.

Its the god honest truth that I can eat whatever I want! Right now dinner

is cooking......baked potato with lotsa butter on it, fillet mignon, peas,

and a small green salad. Pretty much the same as a pre opt diet....yes? Oh

yeah and for desert I shall have some strawberry cheesecake!

This surgery IS a dream come true!

hugs, Judie

[Guest guest]

> I'm pre-op and I honestly don't know what it is going to be like

for

> me after surgery. I still can't believe the people are saying that

> they can eat whatever they want, but I would never assume that

> means they are lying about post-op life. After a lifetime of

dieting

> and feeling conscious or guilty about food, I simply cannot

> imagine what it is like to not be like that...to eat whatever I

want. I

> certainly wouldn't mind finding out, though.

>

> I was at a post-op meeting the other night. One woman told a

> story about how for months after her surgery everything made

> her sick...that she could barely eat anything without vomiting or

> becoming nauseous. There was another post-op woman who

> was about a year post-op who said that nothing ever made her

> sick, not ever. There were others who talked about how they had

> to experiment for awhile to find out what foods they could tolerate

> for whatever reason. I imagine that, barring complications, the

> first year or so - maybe the entire window - will be a process of

> adjustment and experimentation in seeing what is going to work

> and what isn't. I'm 100% prepared for the idea that I'll become

> lactose-intolerant (I'm practically that way anyway), but other

than

> that, I'll take it as it comes...or goes, so to speak.

>

> Good luck to us all,

>

> surgery date: 1/28/02

I never called anyone a liar, if you read my post you will not see

the word liar anywhere. You are the second person that misconscrewed

what I said. I am with you, I dont know what to expect because every

one says something different, but I do know that there is the

probability of side affects and I too am preparing my self for them.

If I dont have them then that would be the greatest thing in the

world, but if I do, I won't be very dissapointed. Good luck to you. BB

[Guest guest]

> Okay lets have the truth about DS'ers. Someones earlier post was

> asking about the truth about rny'ers having problems, but isnt it

> true that ds'ers have problems that are just different. Rnys have

it

> coming out of the top half all the time and ds'ers have it comong

out

> of the bottom half all the time.

Funny you say that 'cause that's exactly what Dr. told me at my

consult appointment with him, almost ver batim. He said RNYers have

problems on the top half of the digestive system and DSers have it on

the bottom half. Personally, I think I'd prefer to have the problems

on the bottom.

And while I agree that we should report both the good and bad things

about each type of surgery, I am always amazed when I hear someone

criticize someone else here for saying something that could be

consdered to be " pro-DS " or " anti-RNY " on a DS list. Afterall this

is a DS list, not an RNY list, not a general weightloss surgery list,

but a DS list. I think that pretty much gives anyone on this list to

say whatever they want to say about the DS surgery. If people don't

like it then can't they unsubscribe and go join an RNY list?

[Guest guest]

> > Okay lets have the truth about DS'ers.

>

>> Maybe some people don't want to believe that, but it is the gods

honest

> truth. I am normal, normal, normal for the first time in my life.

Thank

> god for this procedure!!!

>

> M.

>

Wow! you are not only normal but you look marvelous!!!

I cant wait for the day when I will not only loose the weight, keep

it off and feel normal for the first time in my life.

My moms response to me when I told her that I was going to have wls

was " you have such pretty face, when you loose weight all the men are

going to be looking at you " . I told her that I dont want people to

look at me- that is one of the reasons I want the surgery! I just

want to be normal. To walk into the room and not have people look at

me and not to be the biggest person there. To think about what I am

going to eat when I go to the restaurant - not if they have chairs

without arms that fit. To be able to fly somewhere and be anxoius

about the fun I am going to have and not whether the seat will fit or

if I am going to be by someone who will resent sharing their seat

with me. (I love flying!) To ride in some elses car- even if it is a

VW.....you get the picture- normal. Yea, that is what I want to be.

Now for the psych exam..... eechhs!!! Gods blessings to

you " normal " !

Sharon in Onyx

pre-op Dr K

12-18

>

>

> _________________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Well....I am a lousy liar...I can never keep my story straight so here

goes.....*deep breath*.....I eat whatever I want even the stuff I am sure is a

no-no even with the DS my nachos are a perfect example I crave cheese and spicy

so I take a nacho load hot salsa and cheddar cheese on it....I crave cheese and

chicken....Pre-op I LOVED eggs...Now eggs dont taste the same I dont know they

taste funny I eat them but I have definitely lost the love and I have the

feeling that I will never regain the love again....Tuna fish I loved and I am a

bit cool on it now....Beef was another love of mine nice medium rare steak with

mushrooms...Now I prefer a piece of fried chicken....weird....Shrimp, salmon ok

the point to this long-ass post is that yes I do eat whatever I want....The gas

yes I have gas do I have gas that I can't control

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....The bm's I have one in the morning that is

it....I think a month or two ago I had one in the evening....I go to taco hell,

Micky D's, KFC but none of it taste the same anymore...Now I prefer the buffet

where I can get ribs and btw I had bar-b-q ribs for a month straight when I was

2 months out for lunch everyday...The ribs were very spicy...I dont know what it

is but I like hot foods now....Basically until I meet some inhuman who can fart

roses...I would take my stinky post-op farts (which were also stinky pre-op) and

enjoy my weight loss. Thank you.....

I can not imagine anyone making a truley informed desicion and choosing the

RNY....chewing your food to mush, dumping and stoma dilation OH MY NOT FOR ME!

Lisbeth (who thanks God everyday for the DS)

asaz@... wrote: Okay lets have the truth about DS'ers. Someones earlier

post was

asking about the truth about rny'ers having problems, but isnt it

true that ds'ers have problems that are just different. Rnys have it

coming out of the top half all the time and ds'ers have it comong out

of the bottom half all the time. And I am under the impression that

all of these problems for both types can be avoided by following the

rules for each. I am not pro rny, i would like ds but in all fairness

it seems to me the DS side affects can be anoying and down right

embarrassing. People I think would be more empathtic of vomiting

than " s---ting " all over the place. Why do ds'ers ALWAYS SAY THEY

CAN EAT ANYTHING THEY WANT. If fats i.e ribs, burgers fries, fried

chicken,butter cause them to have the just have to limit fats " well

how is that having anything u want. runs, oil slicks and a pig pen

odor. I have seen post in the past that say " I can eat what I want "

We all did not get fat from eating salads with vinegar and mineral

H20. I am not trying to bash any type of surgery. I just wish all

post ops, RNY'ers and Ds'ers will report the truth. I have already

made up my mind I will not be able to eat the same types of foods and

not have issues. I am thinking of choosing the DS based on greater

long term weight loss. I am sadded that will not be able to have ribs

and potatoe salad at barbecues with out paying a cost that will

remind me of my life long stuggles with obesity.BB

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[Guest guest]

that might be true about farts, gas and oil slicks early post op..

but I have noticed that my system is much less sensitive than it was

just a few weeks ago.. Ive noticed a vast improvement.. so while what

you say is accurate for some people, its normally short lived.

Love, Sue

post op 9/11/01 -65#!!!

Dr. Warden

Ocean Sps, MS

> Okay lets have the truth about DS'ers. Someones earlier post was

> asking about the truth about rny'ers having problems, but isnt it

> true that ds'ers have problems that are just different. Rnys have

it

> coming out of the top half all the time and ds'ers have it comong

out

> of the bottom half all the time. And I am under the impression that

> all of these problems for both types can be avoided by following

the

> rules for each. I am not pro rny, i would like ds but in all

fairness

> it seems to me the DS side affects can be anoying and down right

> embarrassing. People I think would be more empathtic of vomiting

> than " s---ting " all over the place. Why do ds'ers ALWAYS SAY THEY

> CAN EAT ANYTHING THEY WANT. If fats i.e ribs, burgers fries, fried

> chicken,butter cause them to have the just have to limit fats " well

> how is that having anything u want. runs, oil slicks and a pig pen

> odor. I have seen post in the past that say " I can eat what I

want "

> We all did not get fat from eating salads with vinegar and mineral

> H20. I am not trying to bash any type of surgery. I just wish all

> post ops, RNY'ers and Ds'ers will report the truth. I have already

> made up my mind I will not be able to eat the same types of foods

and

> not have issues. I am thinking of choosing the DS based on greater

> long term weight loss. I am sadded that will not be able to have

ribs

> and potatoe salad at barbecues with out paying a cost that will

> remind me of my life long stuggles with obesity.BB

[Guest guest]

I never have had any uncontrollable diarrhea at all. I have very little gas. I

love ribs, and fried chicken, and other fatty things. It might make my morning

bowel movements a bit softer, but not more than that. I never have anything

that would be socially unacceptable. In the beginning I was constipated and my

doctor told me to eat more fat. I was eating low fat because of that old diet

mentality. So I went out and had ribs and started eating things like butter and

full-fat mayo. I stopped buying low fat things and now I'm very normal. I know

many people have more problems than I do, but you wanted the truth and that's

been my experience.

Jackie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/17/01 10:23:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

duodenalswitch writes:

<< And while I agree that we should report both the good and bad things

about each type of surgery, I am always amazed when I hear someone

criticize someone else here for saying something that could be

consdered to be " pro-DS " or " anti-RNY " on a DS list. Afterall this

is a DS list, not an RNY list, not a general weightloss surgery list,

but a DS list. I think that pretty much gives anyone on this list to

say whatever they want to say about the DS surgery. If people don't

like it then can't they unsubscribe and go join an RNY list?

>>

- I agree with you totally and completely. I have subscribed to

lists that are supposed to be wls, non-specific, however, often they are

filled with RNY people. It is there that I see what their problems are (and

confirm to myself that I do not want to live like they do), and since even

reading about those problems makes me nauseous, I often unsub. I don't

usually push DS on an RNY list, because so many of those people have already

done the surgery, and I don't want to make them even more depressed that they

could have had something differently. But, *this* list is a DS list and no

one here should have to defend their choices to pro-rny people.

I also understand the original post was not meant to do that, but to get the

experiences from those who have had the DS, and I am glad it started this

thread, because it reinforced for me that DS is the way for me to go. Carole

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/17/01 7:55:11 PM, duodenalswitch writes:

<< Why do ds'ers ALWAYS SAY THEY

CAN EAT ANYTHING THEY WANT. If fats i.e ribs, burgers fries, fried

chicken,butter cause them to have the just have to limit fats " well

how is that having anything u want. runs, oil slicks and a pig pen

odor. I have seen post in the past that say " I can eat what I want " >>

BB: The reactions to foods varies from person to person. I can honestly say

that I've been able to eat anything I want (and, those things may not be what

others are accustomed to) -- I don't eat ribs, or salads or much sauces

except when it's part of the food (like alfredo sauce as opposed to blue

cheese dressing or various dips) .. but I love pizza, burgers, butter --- now

more than ever!, fried chicken and fried foods, etc.. I've had movie popcorn

drenched in that oily butter, fried chicken, t-bone and ribeye steak. fresh

baked bread with butter (I don't eat bread as much as I did before b/c I get

the protein in first, but I do 'partake' and haven't had bad reactions to

bread products), rice (same as bread), alfredo noodles, spicy

Thai/Chinese/Vietnamese foods, deep fried egg rolls (just yesterday!),

cheeses, ice cream, chocolate (although I DO limit these things and do not

partake daily by any means) ......

Now I'm getting hungry! LOL I think that if you avoid high fats in the first

few months (which I did) you can get your body adjusted to the new

arrangement more. I am nine months post-op and honestly can say my eating

patterns have NOT changed at all except that I eat much less, sometimes I

just don't feel like eating wheras other times I'm really hungry. I drink

with meals (even having some glass of alcohol on occasion). Then again, I

thought that I was a pretty healthy eater as a pre-op (not eating much 'fast

food', trying to avoid too much processed/pre-made stuff, preferring fresh

fruit, veggies and meat)... I did OVEREAT, though. I think I have more 'fast

food' NOW than as a pre-op... I'll grab a little hamburger or small set of

fried chicken tenders for a quick 'protein fix' (rarely even getting fries).

I find I enjoy quick 'protein fixes' much more often now... Eating deli meat

and cheese rolled up rather than between two slices of bread, breaking open a

can of tuna fish and eating it, etc.

I do NOT experience oil slicks, loose bowels, terrible gas routinely after

eating any foods I've had. I do, however, sometimes get a bad bout of gas if

I'm particularly stressed out (or sometimes it may be a reaction to a

particular food? It isn't repeated even if I eat that food again... I've had

it occur with stuff with high preservatives in it like an instant cup of

noodles. I have IBS/Spastic colon so this could very well be the cause, not

the surgery)... I usually have 1-2 BMS in the morning upon waking and THAT'S

IT. When I'm stressed out, I may have one or two more in the

afternoon/evening but this is not a regular occurance.

I eat dairy without incident and (so far) haven't taken any supplements for

lactose intolerance/gas/smells/odors (like charcol, acidopholus, devrom,

etc.). Sometimes I have smelly farts in the evening (and they CAN be

powerful -- I wasn't much of a farter before) but once again it isn't every

evening.

So, in so many ways this surgery totally changed by life but it hasn't

changed my lifestyle. This may very well be because my lifestyle was pretty

'healthy' before in terms of WHAT I ate. I did eat more sweets pre-op than I

do now. I just don't have the room for them. My body does seem to crave

protein more and I really ENJOY eating it (I went on a high protein regimine

before my surgery to make sure I could follow it since I was mainly a 'carb

addict' as a pre-op). I will have sweets on occasion and they are enjoyable.

I also really, really watch my liquid intake to ensure there aren't

'hidden sugars' there... I don't drink too much juice (or I water it down

when I do b/c I LOVE ruby red grapefruit! LOL) or colas (but I have indulged

in a Coke every now and then -- I get child-sized or small drinks whenever

possible), preferring WATER as much as possible and crystal light/diet

drinks.

I have lost a total of 107 lbs at nine months and I hope to lose 40-50 more.

:) I feel so healthy and so much more full of energy. I honestly can say

that I eat anything I want and DON'T suffer routine or dehabilitating

consequences afterwards. I may be a statistical abnormality (i.e. - others

may have much different experiences). But, I wanted to let you know that

this is how it is for some of us, at least.

I definately agree that the truth about each procedure should be known. I'm

sure there are RNY folk who have similar experiences to mine and haven't

experienced vomiting, etc. on a regular basis, either.

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

nine months post-op and still feelin' fabu

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 201 lbs/size sweet 16/large in normal people's clothing!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/17/01 7:55:11 PM, duodenalswitch writes:

<< I'd much rather have a stinky crap a couple times a day, eat

WHATEVER I WANT (like carrot and celery sticks, something a RNY can't

do), and not be vomiting or gulping meat tenderizor. So what if it

reminds me of my lifelong struggle with obesity, who cares, better

that as a reminder than riding around in a scooter.

>>

Barbi: I also eat carrot sticks and celery and other raw veggies without

incident. I've had TACO BELL (Mexican pizza and Meximelt) without

problems... and pizza, etc.

I have never vomited and don't have diahhrea (although my stools were really

watery in the first few weeks post-op). My farts CAN be quite smelly but

this is not a regular occurance for me.

I do drink with meals. That was one thing I really, really didn't want to

'give up'!!!

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

january 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

nine months post-op and still feelin' fabu

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 201 lbs/size sweet 16/large in normal people's clothing!