Re: Re: Direct quotes for graydowney

[Guest guest]

Carole -

I just cannot understand how you can say that the RNY isn't THE ideal

surgery!

Best -

Nick

ate too much

>

> Well I ate too much and the scales show it this morning, however,

> when i compare, i ate NOTHING compared what I used too.

> I didn't drink any protein yesterday ( I know bad girl) and I over carbed

> it some but again still not like i used to do so I'm thankful. And i

wasn't

> miserable like everyone else. So back to my proscore today.

>

> quote #4

> It has been a process to

> learn how to eat, to slow down, to chew, chew and chew even more. Not to

> pig out so to speak. When you hear people say, eat your 4 oz or what ever

> you dr. tells you do it. Cause the feeling of wanting to vomit or the

> uncomfyness is awful. Start learning now, start eating little bits now,

and

> eating slow, go buy a baby spoon and use this helps from taking huge bites

> works great. Get your food HOT HOT HOT, there for you can slow your

eating

> down.

>

> The emotional part, I realized how I was lieing to myself and lieing to

> everyone, Oh I didn't eat all that much today, oh YES you have, pizza,

> fries, hamburger, bag of chips, bowl of ice cream w/ Choc on top,

sandwich,

> T-bone steak, mash potatoes, rolls, what ever it is, most of it was junk

> and I wasn't eating right. So you differently realize that what ever

> problems that you were having that you could go and get some type of food

to

> make you feel better you can't do no longer, that what ever food you

wanted

> to celebrate with you can't do no longer. Its a mental strain at first,

> cause you learning how to deal with everything, your learning that

problems

> aren't taken care of w/ food that you have to face your fears. For me w/

> everything that has happened this year I have let it get my mental state

> screwed up

>

> I have never thrown up or been sick except for a couple of

> dumping episodes that were my fault. That's the built-in moderator for

most

> of us, we do dump if we eat refined sugar!

>

> quote #5

> I've heard many say this

> surgery is not the panacea, it's a tool,

>

> quote #6

> sorry I wasn't here but baby you need to

> > get some papaya enzymes to keep with you at all

> > times for this .Like ____ said they are real useful

> > during times of stuck food

>

> quote #7 I will be getting some of that papaya stuff. I never want to go

>

> thru this again. I had to force myself to be down deep ill. But I thing

>

> most of the blockage came up. I'm sipping tea now and so far so good.

Its

>

> been a long night. No more undercooked vegies for me. I've been eating

to

>

> fast and not chewing well enough. All of that is past.

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Carole,

Thank you for compiling those quotes. I've read ones very similar to

those. It's best to use their own words to describe their challenges and

experiences. Lest anyone think that these quotes are taken out of

context or don't represent a common experience, they can monitor those

boards for a while, as well.

[Guest guest]

Those are good Carole, but if anyone wants to really get the full effect join

the main OSSG list.....Sometimes its downright painful to go through those

emails....My stomach has actually clenched at the multiple " drink some meat

tenderizer to disolve the _________ " *shudders*....Then there are the " I had 2

tablespoons of food I am a pig this surgery will never work for me " ....Now if

someone is researching the surgery and you mention that you had the DS well then

that is when all the " dumping has taught me how to eat posts come out " That is a

wild bunch!

Lisbeth

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I said it before I will say it again...anyone who wants to the real scoop on

post-op life for an RNY join the OSSG list.....and if you can handle

it......join the OSSG graduates list......But only do so if you have the

fortitude for it....I know that I read very quickly now and try not to think to

much about it...but it kills me how hyper sensitive the post-ops become when you

mention the DS....what is the saying " misery loves company "

Lisbeth

MsMystic1@... wrote: In a message dated 11/24/01 11:27:02 PM Eastern

Standard Time,

duodenalswitch writes:

<< Now if someone is researching the surgery and you mention that you had the

DS well then that is when all the " dumping has taught me how to eat posts

come out " That is a wild bunch!

Lisbeth

>>

I know, amazing, isn't it? Which is the point I was making with my very

first post, when the woman wrote that she wanted to have the RNY because she

*wanted* to dump. I just do not get it! Of course, graydowney will now tell

me I am being judgemental and critical for saying I don't get it........

Carole

<< Lest anyone think that these quotes are taken out of

context or don't represent a common experience, they can monitor those

boards for a while, as well.

>>

Yep, - those were actually some " tame " ones, but to me, they show

enough of how different life is after RNY than after DS and I know I want DS.

I personally don't want to dump or drink meat tenderizer or worry about my

stomah getting plugged because I ate more than a baby spoon full of food!

Carole

----------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Wow. I was off the web for about 1 1/2 weeks because we just moved into a

new home. Just got everything hooked up and back on line yesterday. And

look -- nothing has changed.

I am waiting for approval for an OPEN DS and hope to have it scheduled by

early January.. Since I've had 2 heart attacks and a failed coronary stent

implant, my Dr. believes that an open is better because I will be under for

much less time. I'd love to have the LAP, but understand the concerns

regarding my heart.

I've lurked around several chat groups, and this one has been the most

influential for me. My fear of the RNY is that part of dumping is not just

the nausea, regurgitation, and so on, but the fact that it can also cause

heart palpitations. I was going to go ahead and get the RNY because if's a

sure thing my insurance will cover it -- I'll be fighting for the DS to be

paid. But, after reading everthing I could possible find on all WLS

procedures, this one seems the best.

I must say that the many comments and arguments against DS, and your

positive answers, based on past experience, as well as, many articles and

medical web pages I've researched, helped solidify my decision. The

duodenal switch zone web is amazing.

But, I must admit that the negativity of those who are not interested in,

nor plan on have DS surgery is unncecessary. There are so many other groups

that would welcome those who plan on RNY with open arms, and love to hear

about DS bashing. I've been in those webs, too.

Nonetheless, all the hoopla here has really helped me decide which WLS I

wanted. So, thanks for the negative comments, arguments, and nasty

exchanges. A wealth of information about the DS was provided, that might

not otherwise have been put out there.

Thanks again to the argumentative, negative, members of this group. Hope

you find the answers you're looking for and leave this goupr alone.

Re: Re: Direct quotes for graydowney

> In a message dated 11/26/2001 10:16:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> graydowney@... writes:

>

>

> > Carole,I have met many RNY patients who havent eaten tenderizer. Where

are

> > you getting your information?

>

> They all talk about this in my support group..its suppose to help the meat

> breakdown before hitting the intestines since they dont have anything

keeping

> it from going straight in.

>

>

> ~*~ AJ ~*~

> Age 37 5'8'' Post op 7/24/01 Open DS

> self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

> 07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

> 08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

> 09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

> 10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs!

> 11/24/01 BMI 49.8 322.0 -93.1lbs! -77 inches

> 11/26/01 BMI 48.8 321.0 -94.1 lbs

> My profile:

> http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

> My websites:

> www.wls4aj.homestead.com

> www.wlsbellingham.homestead.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe the RNY fans would really prefer, in addition to dumping, to have

someone hit them with a cattle prod everytime they fantasize over chocolate

bon bons.

Self-flagellation too? The possibilities are endless.

These mental conditions have been named by mental health professionals.

Best -

Nick

Re: Direct quotes for graydowney

> In a message dated 11/24/01 11:27:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> duodenalswitch writes:

>

> << Now if someone is researching the surgery and you mention that you had

the

> DS well then that is when all the " dumping has taught me how to eat posts

> come out " That is a wild bunch!

> Lisbeth

>

> >>

> I know, amazing, isn't it? Which is the point I was making with my very

> first post, when the woman wrote that she wanted to have the RNY because

she

> *wanted* to dump. I just do not get it! Of course, graydowney will now

tell

> me I am being judgemental and critical for saying I don't get it........

> Carole

>

> << Lest anyone think that these quotes are taken out of

> context or don't represent a common experience, they can monitor those

> boards for a while, as well.

>

>

> >>

> Yep, - those were actually some " tame " ones, but to me, they show

> enough of how different life is after RNY than after DS and I know I want

DS.

> I personally don't want to dump or drink meat tenderizer or worry about

my

> stomah getting plugged because I ate more than a baby spoon full of food!

> Carole

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

You say that joking but with the RNY group you never know......*shudders*

Lisbeth

Nick wrote: Maybe the RNY fans would really prefer, in

addition to dumping, to have

someone hit them with a cattle prod everytime they fantasize over chocolate

bon bons.

Self-flagellation too? The possibilities are endless.

These mental conditions have been named by mental health professionals.

Best -

Nick

Re: Direct quotes for graydowney

> In a message dated 11/24/01 11:27:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> duodenalswitch writes:

>

> << Now if someone is researching the surgery and you mention that you had

the

> DS well then that is when all the " dumping has taught me how to eat posts

> come out " That is a wild bunch!

> Lisbeth

>

> >>

> I know, amazing, isn't it? Which is the point I was making with my very

> first post, when the woman wrote that she wanted to have the RNY because

she

> *wanted* to dump. I just do not get it! Of course, graydowney will now

tell

> me I am being judgemental and critical for saying I don't get it........

> Carole

>

> << Lest anyone think that these quotes are taken out of

> context or don't represent a common experience, they can monitor those

> boards for a while, as well.

>

>

> >>

> Yep, - those were actually some " tame " ones, but to me, they show

> enough of how different life is after RNY than after DS and I know I want

DS.

> I personally don't want to dump or drink meat tenderizer or worry about

my

> stomah getting plugged because I ate more than a baby spoon full of food!

> Carole

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Nick, I will not to argue with anyone. I havent had my surgery yet. I cant

believe that Im seeing adults act like children.Do you have years of

documentation that you can show me(thirty years) that the DS is as perfect as

you say.If so please send me the information.I think it is more stupid to

think one can have a magic wand to lose weight. Fat and sugar are bad,ask

many seniors whos bodies told them to stop. I think you are looking for a

miracle,a way to eat what you want. If you have found it please show me the

documentation.I dont think this is funny and their is no room for the " my

dogs better than yours " . When people research they dont need to hear the

nasty remarks. Again, I go by what I research and what I see first handed.I

am amazed that you are so openly narrow minded.Do you tell everyone that

comes to this group to research that the DS is the best,only way to go and

100% the top surgical procedure.Do you have the medical background to spout

your mouth off.If so why are you not on television and why are you not on

Oprah.This is not funny,it isa serious topic.Many are trying to save their

lives.There is no room to act like a group of washwoman.I take my life very

serious.I go to these groups to learn not be attacked for questions and

observations.We live in America(at least last I checked we did) and we have

rights.This is not the Soviet Union and you are attacking me for asking

questions.Our society is so full of negativity,that is why the world is in

the shape it is in.Men like you are what has made the woman of Afganistan

suffer.I have rights and you cannot take them away from me.I have ignored you

but it is obvious that you keep bringing up the topic.Let sleeping dogs lie!

[Guest guest]

Carole,please have someone read my post.I never said I wanted to

dump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Carole,I have met many RNY patients who havent eaten tenderizer. Where are

you getting your information? I guess the ds makes your arteries fool

proof,NO.I spoke with a DS Surgeon and you still have to eat the right

foods.I think it is unfai of you to mislead people.We are researching for the

truth. I cant believe you think you have found a way to eat what you want and

stay slim and healthy.NO SUCH LUCK! I went to a seminar and the DS Surgeon

talked about eating habits.One needs to eat the right foods,fats and sugars

kill.He had a dietician speak also and she reiterated the same. Please be

truthful and write what you know or see on your own body.Even in that case

each person is different.Is that to much to ask.I want true life experiences

for my chart consisting of pros and cons of all wls.i also have a medical

chart for opinions from the medical community.i have information from the

AMA. This is something all of us need to do.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/26/2001 10:16:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,

graydowney@... writes:

> Carole,I have met many RNY patients who havent eaten tenderizer. Where are

> you getting your information?

They all talk about this in my support group..its suppose to help the meat

breakdown before hitting the intestines since they dont have anything keeping

it from going straight in.

~*~ AJ ~*~

Age 37 5'8'' Post op 7/24/01 Open DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs!

11/24/01 BMI 49.8 322.0 -93.1lbs! -77 inches

11/26/01 BMI 48.8 321.0 -94.1 lbs

My profile:

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

My websites:

www.wls4aj.homestead.com

www.wlsbellingham.homestead.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/26/2001 10:16:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,

graydowney@... writes:

> I guess the ds makes your arteries fool

> proof,NO.I spoke with a DS Surgeon and you still have to eat the right

> foods.I think it is unfai of you to mislead people.

I dont think anyone is misleading. I am 4 months out and eat what I want. I

do eat my protein first and then on to things that sound good. I dont feel

as if I have to diet and I'm losing very nicely.

~*~ AJ ~*~

Age 37 5'8'' Post op 7/24/01 Open DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs!

11/24/01 BMI 49.8 322.0 -93.1lbs! -77 inches

11/26/01 BMI 48.8 321.0 -94.1 lbs

My profile:

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

My websites:

www.wls4aj.homestead.com

www.wlsbellingham.homestead.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/26/2001 11:20:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,

raina28@... writes:

> 94 lbs lost damn woman you are disappearing as we speak!!!!!!! Congratson

> the weight loss you are going to hit the century mark in no time....

I was tenatively hopeing to hit 100 for Xmas but I think I'm going to do

better than that! The best part is I'm only going to be 5 months out at Xmas

so if I am on schedule and lost 50% of my weight by 6 months...its looking

very good for me to hit goal!!!!

~*~ AJ ~*~

Age 37 5'8'' Post op 7/24/01 Open DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs!

11/24/01 BMI 49.8 322.0 -93.1lbs! -77 inches

11/26/01 BMI 48.8 321.0 -94.1 lbs

My profile:

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

My websites:

www.wls4aj.homestead.com

www.wlsbellingham.homestead.com

[Guest guest]

i go to a support group meeting in chattanooga tn and it is for gastric bypass

or rny. they have never heard of the ds. i actually kept to myself because the

lady who invited me is a good friend and she is the one who told me about having

surgery to lose weight. i would have had the rny if i had went to dr husted in

nashville and he preformed that but luckily he doesn't he does the bpd/ds thank

goodness. but i feel like alot of people just don't know they want to lose

weight so bad they do whatever is offered to them i would have myself. now i

feel sorry for my friend because she has 100 lbs left to lose and her doctor

told her that the surgery has done all its going to do. broke her heart. she

deserves so much more. shes a beautiful sweet woman. belinda

[Guest guest]

Who says that I was joking! To be totally frank (and you thought that I was

being frank), I think they're absolutely nuts.

People have a right to be stupid. Those who choose the RNY definitely are

exercising that right.

Best-

Nick

Re: Direct quotes for graydowney

>

>

> > In a message dated 11/24/01 11:27:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > duodenalswitch writes:

> >

> > << Now if someone is researching the surgery and you mention that you

had

> the

> > DS well then that is when all the " dumping has taught me how to eat

posts

> > come out " That is a wild bunch!

> > Lisbeth

> >

> > >>

> > I know, amazing, isn't it? Which is the point I was making with my very

> > first post, when the woman wrote that she wanted to have the RNY because

> she

> > *wanted* to dump. I just do not get it! Of course, graydowney will now

> tell

> > me I am being judgemental and critical for saying I don't get it........

> > Carole

> >

> > << Lest anyone think that these quotes are taken out of

> > context or don't represent a common experience, they can monitor those

> > boards for a while, as well.

> >

> >

> > >>

> > Yep, - those were actually some " tame " ones, but to me, they show

> > enough of how different life is after RNY than after DS and I know I

want

> DS.

> > I personally don't want to dump or drink meat tenderizer or worry about

> my

> > stomah getting plugged because I ate more than a baby spoon full of

food!

> > Carole

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree with , I have spoken to 3 RNY doctors who only perform the RNY

and when I have asked about the DS they said it was an unproven surgery and that

all post-ops have endless non stop diahrea and the quality of life is

crap...This coming from a Doctor no less soooooo it leads me to wonder.....There

are people who take a doctors word as gospel...(I don't and never will) if

someone heard that they may be dis-inclined (if that is a word) to research the

DS.....Just a thought

Lisbeth

<Yeah, it's their fault for not doing enough

research, and they pay a price for their stupidity, but in SOME

sense, doctors are to blame as well. It is not ethical for a doctor

not to inform his or her patient about ALL wls options, even

superficially or in a biased kind of way.>

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi -

If it was just that the RNY surgeons didn't inform patients of their

options, it wouldn't be so bad. I have read several posts that state that

RNY surgeons actually misinform their prospective patients by exaggerating

problems with the DS such as malnutrition, gas production that would put

OPEC out of business, etc.

Not telling the whole truth is one thing but outright misrepresentation is

totally despicable. But, then, the patient can always do as we did, conduct

a bit of research.

Best -

Nick

[Guest guest]

> You know what I think? Weird, vocal masochists aside, I think that

> the MAJORITY of people who choose the RNY are those who just didn't

> know any better. Yeah, it's their fault for not doing enough

> research, and they pay a price for their stupidity, but in SOME

> sense, doctors are to blame as well.

Not everyone who opts for RNY over DS is stupid. There are valid reasons

to make such a choice, including insurance, availability, location,

medical contraindications, and (even though we may bristle at the idea)

desire for negative reinforcement. I would never make that choice, but I

won't disrespect someone who has done the research and still opts for

something other than the DS, for whatever reason. I'm not in their head,

nor in their body, nor familiar with their history, their metabolism,

nor their personal demons if there are any.

My personal feeling is that the DS is the best choice. For me. I

wouldn't have made this choice if I didn't feel that way! :-) It is the

best choice for many. Maybe for most. But I won't say that everyone

should have the DS.

> It is not ethical for a doctor not to inform his or her patient

> about ALL wls options, even superficially or in a biased kind

> of way.

I would agree with this. The docs should let patients know about all the

options, even if they don't offer a particular procedure. This is a

major surgery, and patients should be educated as to all the available

treatments before they sign on the dotted line to receive one.

[Guest guest]

> Nick, I will not to argue with anyone. I havent had my

> surgery yet. I cant believe that Im seeing adults act

> like children.Do you have years of documentation that

> you can show me(thirty years) that the DS is as perfect as

> you say.

The DS has only been done since 1988, so the longest-term data we have

is back to then. What we do have is pretty extensive though, and pretty

darn compelling. The results have been consistently very good with this

procedure, with a quality of life after surgery that is much freer than

after other procedures.

> If so please send me the information.I think it is

> more stupid to think one can have a magic wand to

> lose weight. Fat and sugar are bad,ask many seniors

> whos bodies told them to stop.

Post-DS, fat isn't bad. How can something that passes though unabsorbed

be bad? I know it's a difficult concept to grasp after years of being

told that fat is bad, but it is true. Simple sugars are fully absorbed

regardless of what surgery you have had, so there's no argument there.

> I think you are looking for a miracle,a way to eat

> what you want. If you have found it please show me the

> documentation.

Well, you're darn right that's what I was looking for! LOL. Praise the

Lord and pass the butter, I came as close and is possible to come in

finding the perfect procedure for me. I *do* eat what I want, when I

want, as much as I want! Hallelujah, I found my miracle. I'm sorry if

that is upsetting... But it is TRUE for me.

> I dont think this is funny and their is no room

> for the " my dogs better than yours " . When people

> research they dont need to hear the nasty remarks.

> Again, I go by what I research and what I see

> first handed.

If you do your homework, you will find that the DS has the best

long-term percentage of weight lost and kept off. That's the key: KEPT

OFF. For me, that was first priority when choosing my surgery. The

ability to eat an unlimited diet was merely icing on an already luscious

cake.

> I am amazed that you are so openly narrow minded. Do you tell

> everyone that comes to this group to research that the DS is

> the best,only way to go and 100% the top surgical procedure.

I think we do tell people that. This is a DS list, and we have the

research to back up the point of view that the DS is tops.

> Do you have the medical background to spout your mouth

> off.

Even non-medical people are capable of reading clinical data and

comprehending the conclusions that are put forth from them.

> If so why are you not on television and why are you not

> on Oprah.This is not funny,it isa serious topic.Many are

> trying to save their lives. There is no room to act like

> a group of washwoman.

This is an educated group who have stubbornly insisted on fighting for

the best option, even in the face of criticism from others who think the

MOST done procedure is automatically the BEST done procedure -- a purely

fallacious assumption.

> I take my life very serious.I go to these groups to

> learn not be attacked for questions and observations.

Please stay and learn, but don't expect this group not to be pro-DS.

That is our charter after all.

> We live in America(at least last I checked we

> did) and we have rights. This is not the Soviet

> Union and you are attacking me for asking

> questions. Our society is so full of negativity,that

> is why the world is in the shape it is in.Men

> like you are what has made the woman of Afganistan

> suffer.I have rights and you cannot take them away

> from me.I have ignored you but it is obvious that

> you keep bringing up the topic.Let sleeping dogs lie!

Getting a little melodramatic here, I think. ;-)

M.

---

in Valrico, FL, age 39

Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10/19/99

Starting weight 299, now 153

Starting BMI 49.7, now 25.5

Starting size 26/28, now 10/12

http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/M/melaniem.html

Direct replies: mailto:melanie@...

[Guest guest]

Gray -

How cute you are. You complain that people act like children then decry the

use of " nasty remarks. "

If you haven't looked for the studies, start now. I did. Just about

everyone else here did the same. I am not about to take my time to point

you to the research when you reject everything that people are telling you.

No, I won't tell you to read Hess' report, nor Rabkin's, nor Marceau's. I

won't bother to tell you to go the archives and read the massive compilation

of research by Hull. No, if you don't care enough to find out, go

ahead and have some surgeon commit mayhem on your stomach and sentence you

to a life of eating just like you want.

Why do you choose 30 years a benchmark for longitudinal studies? You know

freakin' well that the DS has a near 15 year track record and that there ARE

longitudinal studies out there that go back for that long. If you choose to

ignore them and wait for another 15 years, you deserve what you get. If you

choose the RNY, you deserve that as well.

I could care less whether or not you perceive me to be " nice. " I only care

that people have access to accurate information and that they use that

information. If you choose to ignore that information or refuse to seek it

out altogether, that is strictly up to you.

Comparing me to the Taliban is pretty stupid, too. You will relegate

yourself to whatever lifestyle you choose. Don't include me in that

process. I have nothing to do with what direction you go. If you are

committed to closing your mind, so be it. Have that RNY. You deserve each

other. It " don't make no nevermind to me. "

Also, you might find that you aren't going to have any type of WLS surgery

because there is one evaluation that stands between you and the operating

room, one that is going to present you with a real challenge.

Kick your brain into gear and figure things out for yourself and stop asking

others to do your homework for you.

Best-

Nick

[Guest guest]

Post-DS, fat isn't bad. How can something that passes though unabsorbed

be bad? I know it's a difficult concept to grasp after years of being

told that fat is bad, but it is true. Simple sugars are fully absorbed

regardless of what surgery you have had, so there's no argument

there.>>>>>>>>>>

Absolutly!

Plus many of us have had our cholesterol levels taken in labs over the last

year and the ingestion of fats proves the point here. I dropped from an

overall of 273 to 144 in one year. My HDL is 54, LDL is 75 and

Triglycerides are 76......you can not argue with those numbers while you are

eating FATS!

As far as sugars go, we tend, for the most part to prefer less sweets. We

do eat them and they are allowed just as thin people do eat sweets from time

to time so do we. And the most compelling thing of all is we begin to crave

proteins and all the good foods we should be eating. So there is no lack

there of eating all the right things with fat thrown in for good measure

since it isnt absorbed as much and a few sweets here and there.

All of us post opts here are the documentation!!

Judie

[Guest guest]

Gray,

I get my information about the meat tenderizer from the OSSG list and the

OSSG-NYC-Metro list.....You should join the group real eye opener! That is what

made me run from the RNY..Ok the meat tenderizer, the stoma dilations, the

dumping and last but most importantly the weight regain...For that go to the

OSSG Graduates list where you can read quite the number of " I am 2 years out I

have lost the ability to dump and I have regained __lbs " That is where I get my

RNY info from...Or maybe these people are lying on the mailist list?

I am glad I had the DS...For thanksgiving I ate to my hearts content and lost 2

lbs next morning....On the OSSG-NYC-Metro list the Posts were " I ate 5

tablespoons of fod and I gained 3 lbs this morning " I will take the DS any day

of the week and twice on Sunday....BTW you do realize that you are on the DS

list?

Lisbeth

graydowney@... wrote: Carole,I have met many RNY patients who havent eaten

tenderizer. Where are

you getting your information?

---------------------------------

[Guest guest]

AJ,

94 lbs lost damn woman you are disappearing as we speak!!!!!!! Congrats on the

weight loss you are going to hit the century mark in no time.....I agree on the

no dieting thing...I eat shrimp, chicken, beef (I have lost my taste for go

figure) and eggs and my cholesterol continues to go south...Viva la DS!

Lisbeth

lookn2bthin@... wrote: In a message dated 11/26/2001 10:16:49 AM Pacific

Standard Time,

graydowney@... writes:

> I guess the ds makes your arteries fool

> proof,NO.I spoke with a DS Surgeon and you still have to eat the right

> foods.I think it is unfai of you to mislead people.

I dont think anyone is misleading. I am 4 months out and eat what I want. I

do eat my protein first and then on to things that sound good. I dont feel

as if I have to diet and I'm losing very nicely.

~*~ AJ ~*~

Age 37 5'8'' Post op 7/24/01 Open DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs!

11/24/01 BMI 49.8 322.0 -93.1lbs! -77 inches

11/26/01 BMI 48.8 321.0 -94.1 lbs

My profile:

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

My websites:

www.wls4aj.homestead.com

www.wlsbellingham.homestead.com

[Guest guest]

I agree AJ, you are definitely going to hit 100 before christmas...The day I

hit the 100 mark I am going to scream it from every roof-top you will all hear

it I wont need to come on here an post it! Keep up the great work AJ!

*hugs*

Lisbeth

lookn2bthin@... wrote: In a message dated 11/26/2001 11:20:36 AM Pacific

Standard Time,

raina28@... writes:

> 94 lbs lost damn woman you are disappearing as we speak!!!!!!! Congratson

> the weight loss you are going to hit the century mark in no time....

I was tenatively hopeing to hit 100 for Xmas but I think I'm going to do

better than that! The best part is I'm only going to be 5 months out at Xmas

so if I am on schedule and lost 50% of my weight by 6 months...its looking

very good for me to hit goal!!!!

~*~ AJ ~*~

Age 37 5'8'' Post op 7/24/01 Open DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs!

11/24/01 BMI 49.8 322.0 -93.1lbs! -77 inches

11/26/01 BMI 48.8 321.0 -94.1 lbs

My profile:

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

My websites:

www.wls4aj.homestead.com

www.wlsbellingham.homestead.com

[Guest guest]

Greydowney said:

i have information from the

AMA. This is something all of us need to do.

Greydowney, I am not going to get into the ds/rny controversy, but I do have

to let you know that just because it touted by the AMA, or in any of the

professional journals, *doesn't* mean that info is foolproof, tested or

infalliable. A case in point is the common use of cytotec as a cervical

ripener, not only are there inherent risks, the manufacuture itself has come

out against this off label use of its product. BUT...... you can find

studies in the JAMA and other Specialty (OB/GYN) journals about the efficacy

of the product.

Ru

And yes, I do have a medical background.