Re: Re: Direct quotes for graydowney

[Guest guest]

I havent yet talked to him...I kinda have doubts on how far I can cross the line

since we are only dating...exclusive but still...at this point, I'm very aware

of what he is doing and when the occasion presents itself I'm going to talk to

him. Thanks for asking and the congrats. I was thinking I didnt do much this

month and yet this was better than last month...LOL

AJ

" Theresa " wrote:

>AJ,

>

>94 pounds!!!! you sneaky little gal! wow, I just can't believe you,

>girl! Congratulations. Was looking for posts from you on the

>boyfriend situation and since I was catching up under the haze of

>post op recovery, didn't know your status.

>

>Please let me know how you are doing, if you don't mind, and again,

>wow, fantastic weight loss!

>

>Hugs,

>Theresa

>Dr. Jossart

>11-19-01

>

>> ~*~ AJ ~*~

>> Age 37 5'8'' Post op 7/24/01 Open DS

>> self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

>> 07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

>> 08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

>> 09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

>> 10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs!

>> 11/24/01 BMI 49.8 322.0 -93.1lbs! -77 inches

>> 11/26/01 BMI 48.8 321.0 -94.1 lbs

>> My profile:

>> http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

>> My websites:

>> www.wls4aj.homestead.com

>> www.wlsbellingham.homestead.com

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lisbeth!!

Its so exciting! I actually am seeing myself smaller finally!! I posted a new

pic on my website...

I'm getting there! Almost at the 50% mark!!

AJ

L J wrote:

>

> I agree AJ, you are definitely going to hit 100 before christmas...The day I

hit the 100 mark I am going to scream it from every roof-top you will all hear

it I wont need to come on here an post it! Keep up the great work AJ!

>*hugs*

>Lisbeth

> lookn2bthin@... wrote: In a message dated 11/26/2001 11:20:36 AM Pacific

Standard Time,

>raina28@... writes:

>

>

>> 94 lbs lost damn woman you are disappearing as we speak!!!!!!! Congratson

>> the weight loss you are going to hit the century mark in no time....

>

>I was tenatively hopeing to hit 100 for Xmas but I think I'm going to do

>better than that! The best part is I'm only going to be 5 months out at Xmas

>so if I am on schedule and lost 50% of my weight by 6 months...its looking

>very good for me to hit goal!!!!

>

>~*~ AJ ~*~

>Age 37 5'8'' Post op 7/24/01 Open DS

>self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

>07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

>08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

>09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

>10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs!

>11/24/01 BMI 49.8 322.0 -93.1lbs! -77 inches

>11/26/01 BMI 48.8 321.0 -94.1 lbs

>My profile:

>http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

>My websites:

>www.wls4aj.homestead.com

>www.wlsbellingham.homestead.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Belinda, this is so sad. And it's exactly what scares me

about the RNY. I know myself too well. I want to have

surgery because I have reached a point where I'm nearly

helpless. And I know exactly what got me to this point. It

was ten years of very bad food choices in addition to the

very good ones. On one of the OSSG lists when I first

discovered WLS, I remember asking just exactly how a surgery

could modify a behavior. I don't recall receiving an answer

that I considered satisfactory enough to sooth my fears of

gaining it all back in five years.

I think that most people don't even realize that there are

alternatives to the RNY. Most of the discussion lists I

joined originally didn't seem to require that you identify

which surgery you were writing in about. about, because the

natural assumption is that you're writing about RNY.

Jean.

Re: Re: Direct quotes for

graydowney

> i go to a support group meeting in chattanooga tn and it

is for gastric bypass or rny. they have never heard of the

ds. i actually kept to myself because the lady who invited

me is a good friend and she is the one who told me about

having surgery to lose weight. i would have had the rny if

i had went to dr husted in nashville and he preformed that

but luckily he doesn't he does the bpd/ds thank goodness.

but i feel like alot of people just don't know they want to

lose weight so bad they do whatever is offered to them i

would have myself. now i feel sorry for my friend because

she has 100 lbs left to lose and her doctor told her that

the surgery has done all its going to do. broke her heart.

she deserves so much more. shes a beautiful sweet woman.

belinda

>

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[Guest guest]

Nick,

I went through that. My surgeon wanted my PCP to clear me for surgery and

also be willing to follow up with me post-op since I live 800 miles away.

My PCP tried to convince me to have the RNY because that is all he and the

local surgeon (small town) were familiar with. When he knew he couldn't

change my mind that way, he tried to tell me all the side affects I was

going to have...gas, constant diahrea for the rest of my life, etc. I told

him that was a risk I was willing to take and he could use this as an

opportunity to learn another about another procedure. He was not thrilled

but gave me the approval. Now I see him on occasion and he never once

mentions the weight loss but is always asking about the side affects as if

he doesn't believe that I don't have all the major issues that he predicted.

Oh, well. Maybe he will learn soon that I am actually telling the truth.

He sees me in church every week so maybe he doesn't see the drastic weight

loss (or chooses not to).

I had done lots of research prior to deciding the have surgery. I initially

said " no way " until I found the DS site. I wouldn't have considered WLS if

RNY was my only option. I would rather stay fat!

M. in KC

Re: Re: Direct quotes for graydowney

Hi -

If it was just that the RNY surgeons didn't inform patients of their

options, it wouldn't be so bad. I have read several posts that state that

RNY surgeons actually misinform their prospective patients by exaggerating

problems with the DS such as malnutrition, gas production that would put

OPEC out of business, etc.

Not telling the whole truth is one thing but outright misrepresentation is

totally despicable. But, then, the patient can always do as we did, conduct

a bit of research.

Best -

Nick

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[Guest guest]

Oh no...my secret is out...LMAO

AJ

psbilyeu@... wrote:

>AJ---

>

>I swear you are secretly going somewhere to get fat sucked off!!! WOW

>94#'s!!! Congrats!!!!

>

>EM me privately--with your size--I may have some stuff for you!!

>

>Pammi

>

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[Guest guest]

> I had done lots of research prior to deciding the have

> surgery. I initially said " no way " until I found the

> DS site. I wouldn't have considered WLS if

> RNY was my only option. I would rather stay fat!

Same here, . The DS website didn't exist when I started my research,

so that DS list was my lifeline to good DS information. At that time,

the list had only been in existence for a couple of months, but there

were good people here who shared what they knew, and to them I am

forever grateful! Like you, if I hadn't found the DS, I have no doubt

I'd still be MO and sans WLS, because I wasn't willing to have a

stomach-to-intestine anastomosis. That really is the crux of my problem

with the RNY: the alkaline intestine does not like to live next to the

acidic stomach tissue, and that margin is rife with potential for

problems, not only in the near-term, but long-term as well. I just

didn't want to go there. And dumping syndrome did not appeal to me in

the least. I spent too many years punishing myself for not being

perfect, followed by a five-year period where I fought to accept that I

wasn't innately flawed because I was MO. It was only after I really

accepted THAT fact that I was able to love myself enough to consider

WLS. I was damned if I was going to undergo a procedure that had

punishment as a main feature. No thanks! The DS procedure just plain

MAKES SENSE. Thank god for it!!

M.

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in Valrico, FL, age 39

Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10/19/99

Starting weight 299, now 153

Starting BMI 49.7, now 25.5

Starting size 26/28, now 10/12

http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/M/melaniem.html

Direct replies: mailto:melanie@...

[Guest guest]

Well, . I have you to thank for directing me to the DS Site. I was

on the webring for WLS surfing and came across your web page...the rest is

history. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I couldn't imagine the RNY

and having to go through the rest of my life and not being abale to have a

piece of birthday cake or ice cream on occasion.

I am down 52 pounds since Aug 28 and feel wonderful. Not fast by some

standards but I am happy as a clam.

M. in KC

RE: Re: Direct quotes for graydowney

> I had done lots of research prior to deciding the have

> surgery. I initially said " no way " until I found the

> DS site. I wouldn't have considered WLS if

> RNY was my only option. I would rather stay fat!

Same here, . The DS website didn't exist when I started my research,

so that DS list was my lifeline to good DS information. At that time,

the list had only been in existence for a couple of months, but there

were good people here who shared what they knew, and to them I am

forever grateful! Like you, if I hadn't found the DS, I have no doubt

I'd still be MO and sans WLS, because I wasn't willing to have a

stomach-to-intestine anastomosis. That really is the crux of my problem

with the RNY: the alkaline intestine does not like to live next to the

acidic stomach tissue, and that margin is rife with potential for

problems, not only in the near-term, but long-term as well. I just

didn't want to go there. And dumping syndrome did not appeal to me in

the least. I spent too many years punishing myself for not being

perfect, followed by a five-year period where I fought to accept that I

wasn't innately flawed because I was MO. It was only after I really

accepted THAT fact that I was able to love myself enough to consider

WLS. I was damned if I was going to undergo a procedure that had

punishment as a main feature. No thanks! The DS procedure just plain

MAKES SENSE. Thank god for it!!

M.

---

in Valrico, FL, age 39

Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10/19/99

Starting weight 299, now 153

Starting BMI 49.7, now 25.5

Starting size 26/28, now 10/12

http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/M/melaniem.html

Direct replies: mailto:melanie@...

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[Guest guest]

> Well, . I have you to thank for directing me to the

> DS Site. I was on the webring for WLS surfing and came

> across your web page...the rest is history.

I'm so glad that it was helpful to you, ! Thank you for letting me

know.

M.

---

in Valrico, FL, age 39

Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10-19-99

http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/M/melaniem.html

Direct replies: mailto:melanie@...

[Guest guest]

Gray,

I think he got you there! LOL

--- Nick wrote:

> Gray -

>

> How cute you are. You complain that people act like

> children then decry the

> use of " nasty remarks. "

>

> If you haven't looked for the studies, start now. I

> did. Just about

> everyone else here did the same. I am not about to

> take my time to point

> you to the research when you reject everything that

> people are telling you.

> No, I won't tell you to read Hess' report, nor

> Rabkin's, nor Marceau's. I

> won't bother to tell you to go the archives and read

> the massive compilation

> of research by Hull. No, if you don't care

> enough to find out, go

> ahead and have some surgeon commit mayhem on your

> stomach and sentence you

> to a life of eating just like you want.

>

> Why do you choose 30 years a benchmark for

> longitudinal studies? You know

> freakin' well that the DS has a near 15 year track

> record and that there ARE

> longitudinal studies out there that go back for that

> long. If you choose to

> ignore them and wait for another 15 years, you

> deserve what you get. If you

> choose the RNY, you deserve that as well.

>

> I could care less whether or not you perceive me to

> be " nice. " I only care

> that people have access to accurate information and

> that they use that

> information. If you choose to ignore that

> information or refuse to seek it

> out altogether, that is strictly up to you.

>

> Comparing me to the Taliban is pretty stupid, too.

> You will relegate

> yourself to whatever lifestyle you choose. Don't

> include me in that

> process. I have nothing to do with what direction

> you go. If you are

> committed to closing your mind, so be it. Have that

> RNY. You deserve each

> other. It " don't make no nevermind to me. "

>

> Also, you might find that you aren't going to have

> any type of WLS surgery

> because there is one evaluation that stands between

> you and the operating

> room, one that is going to present you with a real

> challenge.

>

> Kick your brain into gear and figure things out for

> yourself and stop asking

> others to do your homework for you.

>

> Best-

>

> Nick

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

I love reading you guys. I am very sure now that I

have made the right decision. I never really consider

having the RNY because I started researching the DS

right away. After joining this group I started

reading the RNY list. DEFINETLY NOT FOR ME!!!!They

have a right to choose what they want I guess. But I

have been punshed enough for my being overweight all

my life. I know that the DS is only a tool to help me

lose the weight I need. But why punish myself anymore

than I have to. I did read about the meat

tenderizers, papaya enymes, and the dumping. I REPEAT

DEFINETLY NOT FOR ME!!!!Thats just my opinion in this

free land we live in.

P.S.

Nick I don't think of you as one of the Taliban. I

really thought that was rude of GRAY!

Pre-OP 01/09/02

BMI 41/238 lbs.

Dr. K

--- MsMystic1@... wrote:

> In a message dated 11/26/01 1:13:02 PM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> duodenalswitch writes:

>

> <<

> You know what I think? Weird, vocal masochists

> aside, I think that

> the MAJORITY of people who choose the RNY are those

> who just didn't

> know any better. Yeah, it's their fault for not

> doing enough

> research, and they pay a price for their stupidity,

> but in SOME

> sense, doctors are to blame as well. It is not

> ethical for a doctor

> not to inform his or her patient about ALL wls

> options, even

> superficially or in a biased kind of way.

> >>

> I agree, but there are some people who you can tell

> about DS and they still

> want the RNY. And then there are those who think

> any wls is the same thing

> and that even though people have had the DS and had

> personal experience by

> having and living the DS, their opinion doesn't

> matter, only a Dr.'s does.

> (as in graydowney who thinks the whole world's

> problems revolve around those

> of us who have the *audacity* to say we'd rather

> have the DS after actually

> reading about experiences from those who have had

> the RNY and the

> DS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

> Nick - you are *NOT* like the Taliban!

> Carole

>

>

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[Guest guest]

At 4:28 PM -0600 11/26/01, Manero wrote:

>Nick,

>

>... My PCP ...tried to tell me all the side affects I was going to

>have...gas, constant diahrea for the rest of my life, etc. ...Now I

>see him on occasion and he never once mentions the weight loss but

>is always asking about the side affects as if he doesn't believe

>that I don't have all the major issues that he predicted. ... He

>sees me in church every week so maybe he doesn't see the drastic

>weight loss (or chooses not to).

,

Sit next to him in church some day. But don't fart! --Steve

--

[Guest guest]

Steve,

I would never, never fart in church. It must be my 12 year old son!

M.

RE: Re: Direct quotes for graydowney

At 4:28 PM -0600 11/26/01, Manero wrote:

>Nick,

>

>... My PCP ...tried to tell me all the side affects I was going to

>have...gas, constant diahrea for the rest of my life, etc. ...Now I

>see him on occasion and he never once mentions the weight loss but

>is always asking about the side affects as if he doesn't believe

>that I don't have all the major issues that he predicted. ... He

>sees me in church every week so maybe he doesn't see the drastic

>weight loss (or chooses not to).

,

Sit next to him in church some day. But don't fart! --Steve

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[Guest guest]

Good point, . I really believe that many doctors (not all) and

insurance companies want to punish obese people for getting that way in the

first place and the RNY lifestyle is their revenge. Seriously, I do think

there is some degree of that in their strong advocacy of the RNY vs. DS.

ann

the MAJORITY of people who choose the RNY are those who just didn't

know any better. Yeah, it's their fault for not doing enough

research, and they pay a price for their stupidity, but in SOME

sense, doctors are to blame as well. It is not ethical for a doctor

not to inform his or her patient about ALL wls options, even

superficially or in a biased kind of way.

I went to a wls " support group " in Virginia before I had decided

about what surgery to have. I asked the people in the room how they

made the choice. NONE of them knew what the D/S was. (What freaked

me out most, besides the complaining about dumping, was the fact that

they were always hungry!!)

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