Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Hmm - she seemed to mention that she looked at all of the procedures out there and chose the RNY. She made a comment about DS in some interview that she didn't want to end up with liver failure or something to that effect. She is quite adament about RNY (at least she kinda has to be in public, lol.) > Even Carnie I have heard would have liked to have known about the DS > but took a friends suggestion and didn't even think of really researching > this. Let's lighten up on the people who take the word of their doctors as > " god " . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Jean, Thanks for your post. I feel this way for the people getting RNY. It might end up being my only option. I sincerely hope not. But it will not be easy. Colorado has no DS surgeons. Even any surgeons that have any information on the DS. You would be surprised by the phone calls and emails I received back from Dr's across the state. I went to an informational meeting. I was amazed by the acceptance of the issues that the people there were showing. What I truly saw was a genuine hope to live again. They have desperate needs for medical help. If you were at the meeting you wouldn't even know there were other types of surgeries available. The truth is, the RNY is simply the only option to many people. If we consider the few surgeons doing the DS, (isn't it about 40?) for across the States this is a ridiculously low amount per population. I am so compassionate for the people who only know, hear or can get the RNY procedure. It is just not that easy to get this surgery as many on this list attest to. And we are probably the most knowledgeable laymen on the DS procedure. Think of the numbers here people. How many actually are on this list? Yes, I would hope that the RNY people would be more open to hearing about the DS but I can understand that they perhaps can only handle so much in their lives. Even Carnie I have heard would have liked to have known about the DS but took a friends suggestion and didn't even think of really researching this. Let's lighten up on the people who take the word of their doctors as " god " . I personally feel very blessed to have found this list and information on the DS. I was led here by a quick post to check out the DS if I was researching wls. Let's reach out and have compassion for those who can't or are so emotionally or physically distressed that they can't hear other options and reach the ones we can to give them an option. Let's also remember that this option is extremely hard to get. Insurance, finding a doctor, pcp's problems. on and on. I believe many people just don't have it left into them to do anymore than accept what their doctors say to them. i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 What I read if I remember correctly in the article somewhere was that she looked at VBG and RNY. Of the two RNY wins. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >Hmm - she seemed to mention that she looked at all of the procedures out >there and chose the RNY. She made a comment about DS in some interview that >she didn't want to end up with liver failure or something to that effect. >She is quite adament about RNY (at least she kinda has to be in public, lol.) > > >> Even Carnie I have heard would have liked to have known about the DS >> but took a friends suggestion and didn't even think of really researching >> this. Let's lighten up on the people who take the word of their doctors as >> " god " . >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 i, your post below is exactly how I feel as well. I feel so very adamantly that the DS is the best procedure for me, and probably for most people! I think there is a way to educate people without alienating them though. And ultimately we have to accept that some won't do what we think they ought to do, even in the face of what we feel is compelling evidence that this is the only way to go! The RNY is still a helluva lot better than non-surgical options, and many people do well and are happy with their outcomes. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes, with the potential for regain over the long-term, but that doesn't mean that I don't wish the best for them. M. --- in Valrico, FL, age 39 Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10-19-99 http://www.duodenalswitch.com/Patients/M/melaniem.html Direct replies: mailto:melanie@... > wls thanks to Jean > > > Jean, > > Thanks for your post. I feel this way for the people getting RNY. > It might end up being my only option. I sincerely hope not. > But it will not be easy. > > Colorado has no DS surgeons. Even any surgeons that have any > information on the DS. You would be surprised by the phone > calls and emails I received back from Dr's across the state. > > I went to an informational meeting. I was amazed by the > acceptance of the issues that the people there were showing. > What I truly saw was a genuine hope to live again. They > have desperate needs for medical help. If you were at the > meeting you wouldn't even know there were other types of > surgeries available. The truth is, the RNY is simply the > only option to many people. > > If we consider the few surgeons doing the DS, (isn't it about 40?) > for across the States this is a ridiculously low amount per > population. > > I am so compassionate for the people who only know, hear or > can get the RNY procedure. It is just not that easy to get this > surgery as many on this list attest to. And we are probably > the most knowledgeable laymen on the DS procedure. > > Think of the numbers here people. How many actually are on > this list? > > Yes, I would hope that the RNY people would be more open to > hearing about the DS but I can understand that they perhaps > can only handle so much in their lives. > > Even Carnie I have heard would have liked to have > known about the DS but took a friends suggestion and didn't > even think of really researching this. Let's lighten up > on the people who take the word of their doctors as " god " . > > I personally feel very blessed to have found this list and > information on the DS. I was led here by a quick post to > check out the DS if I was researching wls. > > Let's reach out and have compassion for those who can't or are so > emotionally or physically distressed that they can't hear > other options and reach the ones we can to give them an option. > Let's also remember that this option is extremely hard to get. > Insurance, finding a doctor, pcp's problems. on and on. I > believe many people just don't have it left into > them to do anymore than accept what their doctors say to them. > > i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 Re: i's statement: " Let's lighten up on the people who take the word of their doctors as " god " . " The issue isn't whether we can be " nice " to those people, rather, it is whether or not they listen to the alternatives that are presented to them on these lists and then proceed to make a rational decision. Best - Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 Nick, All we can do is lead them to the water--can't make them drink. It usually just makes them mad if you throw them in!! Pammi > Re: i's statement: > > " Let's lighten up on the people who take the word of their doctors as > " god " . " > > The issue isn't whether we can be " nice " to those people, rather, it is > whether or not they listen to the alternatives that are presented to them on > these lists and then proceed to make a rational decision. > > Best - > > Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 Hi Pammi - You are so right . . . and, it is so very satisfying - LOL ! ! ! Best- Nick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Nick, All we can do is lead them to the water--can't make them drink. > > It usually just makes them mad if you throw them in!! > > Pammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 Nick, you wrote: > The issue isn't whether we can be " nice " to those people, rather, it is > whether or not they listen to the alternatives that are presented to them on > these lists and then proceed to make a rational decision. Precisely! On this we are in total agreement. I however, differ on the way those alternatives are presented. I can maximize the amount of my message that's received if I present it in a respectful way, regardless of what I think of its recipient. It has nothing to do with " nice " , whatever the heck that word means to you. It certainly has a far wider significance to you than it does to me so its use in quotes is pretty much wasted on me. Regardless, we agree that the message is important although we each have our own radically different ways of delivering it. Jean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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