RE: Re: post-op birth control: New birthcontrol 'patch' approved

[Guest guest]

I swear I feel like I am going through puberty.....the acne, now using

condoms....I think the cosmos are against a good nookie session for me!!!! woe

is me!

Lisbeth

mariak415 wrote: Oooh Lisbeth...then I hope you find an

answer soon!

BTW, Rabkin advises that regardless of whether or not you use

the pill, you should also use a *mechanical* means of birth

control during the weight loss window. This includes condoms,

diaphrams, sponges or big, flashing neon STOP signs!!

(okay...so he *doesn't* recommend the last one) I can't stand

the pill and I've been on the depo shots for the past two years.

Delphine said it was okay to continue that as long as my

every-three-months shot doesn't come due the same week as

surgery or soon after. She said I didn't have to use anything else

on top of that, but y'all know there is only one TRUE way to

prevent pregnancy (aside from being a guy, that is).

Crossing her fingers, but not necessarily her...oh nevermind,

>

> Putting all nookie on hold until I speak to the Surgeon, Endo

and Gyno....I am going to cover all my bases before I get off first

base! Thanks Nick I appreciate the heads up!

> Lisbeth

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, Liane et all,

Now I have heard that women tend to gain weight on the Lunette shot or the other

birth control shots....and was one of the reasons I was going to ask for regular

bcp....but now I am wondering which would be best....this is all very

confusing...I have an appointment with my endo on friday so I am wondering if

she could answer these questions....

Lisbeth

ma2two wrote:

> Liane: I know that the pill itself may not be fully absorbed, etc.

and this may lead to an 'accidental' pregnancy, but I thought that the

patch *may* be better because it would be absorbed via the skin and

the intestinal system would not be involved... same for the Lunette

shot.

I would think if anyone was considering birth control via hormones --

the pill MAY NOT be as effective because of our malapsorption but the

other forms of the pill (patch/shot) may have a better chance or more

comprehensive coverage..

Of course, I haven't read *any* studies to this effect nor do I know

for sure if getting the hormones via skin/muscle would 'circumvent'

the possible decreased efficacy issue the digestion of the pill can

present... These other alternatives do seem promising for us, though.

I am very hesitant about relying on the pill (in pill form) as a

post-op...

These are questions I should address to my surgeon. If we recieve the

hormones via patch or shot, do we need a 'normal' dose or would it

have to be adjusted for some reason?

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

10 months postop and still feelin' fabu

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' int

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[Guest guest]

I know what you mean my brief stints with the bcp were breif because I

never felt quite right......But I am definitely curious about the patch and the

shot who knows maybe these are improvements over the pill....

Lisbeth

ma2two wrote:

>

> Wow , you read my mind...I am sitting here thinking I have to

make another appointment with the Gyno to get me on some BCP...This

patch sounds interesting thanks for the link!

> Lisbeth

Lisbeth: I have to think of the future, too --- There's the Lunette

shot (it is a monthly shot which is basically a birth control pill in

shot form).... I just hate the pill. I've been on it at various times

in my life and EACH TIME I felt MISERABLE and PSYCHOTIC and on edge...

I always ended up stopping the damn thing. I think that the patch or

shot would have a similar effect for me, but I'm not sure...

The patch looks pretty interesting -- I'm going to look into it, too!

The only real drawback I see is that it is not supposed to work as

well for those who are over 198 lbs (wow -- I'm there one day but 200

the next! LOL). I'd like to see more studies on that..

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into

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[Guest guest]

Liane,

You know, they do have male birth control. The men sometimes are just very

resistant. It's called snip, snip. Most men cross their legs just at the

mention of it! LOL

My DH was very willing (even had to go through it 2x, 6 years apart, long

story) But it was by far the very best choice for us!

Re: post-op birth control: New birthcontrol

'patch' approved

I took no chances..

I started on Depo after surgery.. the hardest part is psyching myself

up every 3 months to stick myself! Once the needle is in, the shot

itself is a breeze..

Go figure.. when the doc wants to do a fingerstick for instant blood

sugar testing, I can't do it.. yet can give myself a shot (after some

psyching-up..) with a verry long needle...

When do they come up w/male birth control????

Sigh

Liane

(seemingly) perpetually at 308

> Hi, everyone -- I've been looking into post-op birth control and I

really

> don't know the efficacy of the pill in terms of post-op

absorption... Perhaps

> the 'patch' would be an effective option for post-ops, although the

article

> does state that it isn't as effective for those over 198 lbs (which

would

> mean that a majority of women couldn't use it until they have gotten

past

> this point and the immediate post-op period is really very crucial

in terms

> of increased fertility, etc.)...

>

>

>

http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/1728.94100?DEST=WebMD & con

te

>

> ntSRC=aolhealthnews

>

> All the best,

>

> lap ds with gallbladder removal

> January 25, 2001

> Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

>

> 10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

>

> preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into a 14 LOL

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[Guest guest]

At 10:02 AM -0600 12/18/01, Manero wrote:

>Liane,

>

>You know, they do have male birth control. The men sometimes are just very

>resistant. It's called snip, snip. Most men cross their legs just at the

>mention of it! LOL

I've been shootin' blanks since 1983.

--Steve

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[Guest guest]

OK.. rephrase that... when do they come up with " temporary " birth

control for men that doesn't require surgery????

I've suggested the " snip, snip " method to hubby.. since he sez he

doesn't want kids.. then suddenly he might " change his mind later. " Go

Figure!

LOL

Hugs,

Liane

Steve Goldstein wrote:

>> When do they come up w/male birth control????

>

>

> Snip, snip. I've been shooting bl\anks since 1983. --S

>

>

[Guest guest]

Liane,

That goes with the crossing the legs..... Pure denial. They are so afraid

that their " jewels " might have an owie! LOL What they don't realize is the

pure freedom that comes from a couple of days of " discomfort " .

Re: Re: post-op birth control: New

birthcontrol 'patch' approved

OK.. rephrase that... when do they come up with " temporary " birth

control for men that doesn't require surgery????

I've suggested the " snip, snip " method to hubby.. since he sez he

doesn't want kids.. then suddenly he might " change his mind later. " Go

Figure!

LOL

Hugs,

Liane

Steve Goldstein wrote:

>> When do they come up w/male birth control????

>

>

> Snip, snip. I've been shooting bl\anks since 1983. --S

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You are absolutely right....Liane.....I guess I will have to go and talk to the

doctor and find out.....what the best course of action is!

Lisbeth

lianefrench wrote: Lisbeth-

I worried about slow weight loss from the Depo shot, but decided that

it would be easier to deal with than a pregnancy that my body might

not yet be ready to deal with.. and I gotta admit, until recently I

had decided that I was losing just fine.. of course, I was a

" serious-neverending-plateau virgin " until recently... and from all

I've heard, this happens to those NOT on Depo... so who knows?

Besides.. until you're committed to one guy, condoms are still gonna

be a neccessary evil...dammit.

Just a few thoughts from a sleepy person....

Hugs,

Liane

> > Liane: I know that the pill itself may not be fully absorbed, etc.

> and this may lead to an 'accidental' pregnancy, but I thought that the

> patch *may* be better because it would be absorbed via the skin and

> the intestinal system would not be involved... same for the Lunette

> shot.

>

> I would think if anyone was considering birth control via hormones --

> the pill MAY NOT be as effective because of our malapsorption but the

> other forms of the pill (patch/shot) may have a better chance or more

> comprehensive coverage..

>

> Of course, I haven't read *any* studies to this effect nor do I know

> for sure if getting the hormones via skin/muscle would 'circumvent'

> the possible decreased efficacy issue the digestion of the pill can

> present... These other alternatives do seem promising for us, though.

> I am very hesitant about relying on the pill (in pill form) as a

> post-op...

>

> These are questions I should address to my surgeon. If we recieve the

> hormones via patch or shot, do we need a 'normal' dose or would it

> have to be adjusted for some reason?

>

> all the best,

>

> lap ds with gallbladder removal

> January 25, 2001

> Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

>

> 10 months postop and still feelin' fabu

>

> preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' int

>

>

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[Guest guest]

At 3:01 PM -0600 12/18/01, Manero wrote:

>Liane,

>

>That goes with the crossing the legs..... Pure denial. They are so afraid

>that their " jewels " might have an owie!

,

My little guys " owied " for five whole weeks. I learned from the pain

that my scrotum actually touched the chair when I sat down.

>LOL What they don't realize is the

>pure freedom that comes from a couple of days of " discomfort " .

But, yes, it WAS worth it. And, I'd rather be an alto than a basso,

any day. ;-)

--Steve

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Okay, -

Until you have an owie on your own jewels, you don't know what an owie is!

I am bended over in pain just thinking about it.

Ouch!

Nick in Sage

Re: Re: post-op birth control: New

> birthcontrol 'patch' approved

>

>

> OK.. rephrase that... when do they come up with " temporary " birth

> control for men that doesn't require surgery????

> I've suggested the " snip, snip " method to hubby.. since he sez he

> doesn't want kids.. then suddenly he might " change his mind later. " Go

> Figure!

> LOL

> Hugs,

> Liane

>

> Steve Goldstein wrote:

>

> >> When do they come up w/male birth control????

> >

> >

> > Snip, snip. I've been shooting bl\anks since 1983. --S

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

I don't understand men either!!My hubby won't even talk about it...just

runs the other way!!... " sigh "

M.

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[Guest guest]

Nick,

Typical man! Until you give birth, you don't know about owies in very

personal areas! LOL

Re: Re: post-op birth control: New

birthcontrol 'patch' approved

Okay, -

Until you have an owie on your own jewels, you don't know what an owie is!

I am bended over in pain just thinking about it.

Ouch!

Nick in Sage

Re: Re: post-op birth control: New

> birthcontrol 'patch' approved

>

>

> OK.. rephrase that... when do they come up with " temporary " birth

> control for men that doesn't require surgery????

> I've suggested the " snip, snip " method to hubby.. since he sez he

> doesn't want kids.. then suddenly he might " change his mind later. " Go

> Figure!

> LOL

> Hugs,

> Liane

>

> Steve Goldstein wrote:

>

> >> When do they come up w/male birth control????

> >

> >

> > Snip, snip. I've been shooting bl\anks since 1983. --S

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Well, maybe. Have you ever been kicked in . . . oops, guess not. When that

happens, I usually am afraid I'm going to die. The feeling soon changes to

a fear that I'm not going to. It'd be pretty hard to find someone who

could compare the two experiences.

Best-

Nick

Re: Re: post-op birth control: New

> > birthcontrol 'patch' approved

> >

> >

> > OK.. rephrase that... when do they come up with " temporary " birth

> > control for men that doesn't require surgery????

> > I've suggested the " snip, snip " method to hubby.. since he sez he

> > doesn't want kids.. then suddenly he might " change his mind later. " Go

> > Figure!

> > LOL

> > Hugs,

> > Liane

> >

> > Steve Goldstein wrote:

> >

> > >> When do they come up w/male birth control????

> > >

> > >

> > > Snip, snip. I've been shooting bl\anks since 1983. --S

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Agreed. I suppose we will have to just call it even!

Re: Re: post-op birth control: New

birthcontrol 'patch' approved

Well, maybe. Have you ever been kicked in . . . oops, guess not. When that

happens, I usually am afraid I'm going to die. The feeling soon changes to

a fear that I'm not going to. It'd be pretty hard to find someone who

could compare the two experiences.

Best-

Nick

Re: Re: post-op birth control: New

> > birthcontrol 'patch' approved

> >

> >

> > OK.. rephrase that... when do they come up with " temporary " birth

> > control for men that doesn't require surgery????

> > I've suggested the " snip, snip " method to hubby.. since he sez he

> > doesn't want kids.. then suddenly he might " change his mind later. " Go

> > Figure!

> > LOL

> > Hugs,

> > Liane

> >

> > Steve Goldstein wrote:

> >

> > >> When do they come up w/male birth control????

> > >

> > >

> > > Snip, snip. I've been shooting bl\anks since 1983. --S

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Y'wanna know something? Before I lost weight, I didn't worry about this too

much. Hell....you could kick me in the crotch and never even come close.

Now, with all the fat hanging there gone, I just feel so damn EXPOSED!

Ford

Re: Re: post-op birth control: New

birthcontrol 'patch' approved

Well, maybe. Have you ever been kicked in . . . oops, guess not. When that

happens, I usually am afraid I'm going to die. The feeling soon changes to

a fear that I'm not going to. It'd be pretty hard to find someone who

could compare the two experiences.

Best-

Nick