Re: Question about Memorial Site

[Guest guest]

Where can I locate the Memorial Site??

V. in MD

Pre-op

Consult w/Dr. Elariny 10/29/01

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Subject: I should not have read this site yet

Well, now I am totally scared out of my mind. I was on another group

and they mentioned this memorial site. I had to look jsut to make

sure to myself that the people who had passed away were in worse

chape than me, had a higher bmi than me, anything. Many of them did

fit into this category. But others did not. It was very sad to see

the list of names of all the people that had passed away. It brings

to my mind again how this is really not a step you can take lightly.

However, with me it makes me all the more afraid of ever taking this

step. Who knows if I will ever be brave enough to do it.

Thanks for listening to me, AGAIN.

[Guest guest]

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/wlsmemorial.phtml

I should not have read this site yet

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> Well, now I am totally scared out of my mind. I was on another group

> and they mentioned this memorial site. I had to look jsut to make

> sure to myself that the people who had passed away were in worse

> chape than me, had a higher bmi than me, anything. Many of them did

> fit into this category. But others did not. It was very sad to see

> the list of names of all the people that had passed away. It brings

> to my mind again how this is really not a step you can take lightly.

> However, with me it makes me all the more afraid of ever taking this

> step. Who knows if I will ever be brave enough to do it.

>

> Thanks for listening to me, AGAIN.

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Seems the vast majority of those on the memorial page had the RNY, high

BMI's and complications....I do know DSers also have some high BMI's and

complications too either before or after or both but seems the death rate

for DS is much, much lower.

Judie

[Guest guest]

Life is a risk.

Dan>>>>

sure is, Dan! But a risk with the DS is what I would pick any day.....

the longer surgery times though for the DS is more for the lap than the

open. But yes, risk is there!

Judie

[Guest guest]

> Seems the vast majority of those on the memorial page had the RNY,

high

> BMI's and complications....I do know DSers also have some high

BMI's and

> complications too either before or after or both but seems the

death rate

> for DS is much, much lower.

>

> Judie

Hi Judy,

Wish it were true, but was informed that morbidity rate is Double RNY.

DS is more complicated, more anostomises, longer time, usually higher

BMI patients. Life is a risk.

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan -

Let's count the anastamoses -

RNY -

intestine to stoma = 1

small intestine back to itself = 1

Total for RNY = 2

DS -

duodenum to alimentary channel = 1

biliopancreatic channel

to alimentary channel = 1

Total for DS = 2

Those anastamoses look pretty similar to me.

The morbidity rate is not the mortality rate. Morbidity relates to

surgically related complications. I would assume that the memorial page

relates to mortality and not morbidity. I would take issue with the RNY

having a lower morbidity rate, too. I would love to see the statistics that

were being used by whoever " informed " you. Blockages of the stoma, dumping,

late weight regain, vomiting and marginal ulcers are part and parcel of the

inferior RNY surgery. DS patients don't have those issues at all (except

for a person in San Francisco, who will not be reminded of this at the

present time).

The morbidity rate for both is approximately the same as it is for any

abdominal surgery utilizing general anesthesia.

The RNY has far more morbidity and mortality rates from complications with

the gallbladder because RNY surgeons are not as likely to want to take the

extra 20 min. to remove the gallbladder. The DS surgeons, at worst, will

give their patients Actigall. At best, they remove it altogether.

Best-

Nick in Sage

[Guest guest]

DS patients don't have those issues at all (except

> for a person in San Francisco, who will not be reminded of this at

the

> present time).

>

> Best-

>

> Nick in Sage

Sniffling....and whom might that be? evil glare.

Smooshes,

Theresa