Re: High Meat/Dairy diet Linked to Stomach/Esophagal Cancer/crosspost

[Guest guest]

> I had always thought that high protein wasn't a problem per se

> because we don't actually absorb all the protein (i.e. - we

> wouldn't necessarily suffer from a higher incidence . . .

,

What you said above makes sense. OK, so we eat a lot of meat, but

if, say, half of it is absorbed then it is as though we are eating

the same amount of meat as a " normal " person, right? And if we made

sure to eat plenty of vegetation with that meat . . .

Best,

[Guest guest]

> > I had always thought that high protein wasn't a problem per se

> > because we don't actually absorb all the protein (i.e. - we

> > wouldn't necessarily suffer from a higher incidence . . .

>

> ,

>

> What you said above makes sense. OK, so we eat a lot of meat, but

> if, say, half of it is absorbed then it is as though we are eating

> the same amount of meat as a " normal " person, right? And if we made

> sure to eat plenty of vegetation with that meat . . .

>

>

: But, the stomach/esophogus will still get the FULL brunt of

all that meat/dairy that we consume, you know? Even if the rest of

the body does not (because it isn't absorbed). So, I think this

research is possibly significant for us. Our stomachs will still

process that 80 gm or whatever of meat/dairy that we consume even if

our bodies do not absorb it completely.

I'll let everyone know what Dr. G says...

all the best,

Te

[Guest guest]

> > I had always thought that high protein wasn't a problem per se

> > because we don't actually absorb all the protein (i.e. - we

> > wouldn't necessarily suffer from a higher incidence . . .

>

> ,

>

> What you said above makes sense. OK, so we eat a lot of meat, but

> if, say, half of it is absorbed then it is as though we are eating

> the same amount of meat as a " normal " person, right? And if we made

> sure to eat plenty of vegetation with that meat . . .

: You have a point, too. Perhaps we really DO need to focus

on eating the meat/dairy WITH a HEALTHY dose of fresh veggies and/or

helpings of fresh fruit. This *may* help alleviate the higher risk

we're at by eating the protein alone (without the veggies/fruit).

I also want to speak with nutritionists about this issue because they

would be better able to provide 'combinations' or ideal situations as

to how we can still maximize protein consumption but reduce the

potentially carcenigenic effects it *may* pose for our

esophogus/stomach.

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

preoP: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 194 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into a 14

[Guest guest]

There's a rather simple answer to this. Don't get all your protein

from meat. I tend to get a lot of my protein from soy foods.

There are lots of frozen soy foods out there that taste great.

There's also soy milk, soy cheese, etc. Now, I understand that most

people don't want to eat soy exclusively, I don't do that myself.

But I do eat about 50% of my protein from soy foods. And you can

always get a tofu cookbook and make your soy foods fresh.

Just something to consider.

Tracey in Santee (San Diego)

> > > I had always thought that high protein wasn't a problem per se

> > > because we don't actually absorb all the protein (i.e. - we

> > > wouldn't necessarily suffer from a higher incidence . . .

> >

> > ,

> >

> > What you said above makes sense. OK, so we eat a lot of meat,

but

> > if, say, half of it is absorbed then it is as though we are

eating

> > the same amount of meat as a " normal " person, right? And if we

made

> > sure to eat plenty of vegetation with that meat . . .

> >

> >

> : But, the stomach/esophogus will still get the FULL brunt

of

> all that meat/dairy that we consume, you know? Even if the rest of

> the body does not (because it isn't absorbed). So, I think this

> research is possibly significant for us. Our stomachs will still

> process that 80 gm or whatever of meat/dairy that we consume even

if

> our bodies do not absorb it completely.

>

> I'll let everyone know what Dr. G says...

>

> all the best,

> Te

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/22/01 3:03:00 AM, duodenalswitch writes:

<<

There's a rather simple answer to this. Don't get all your protein

from meat. I tend to get a lot of my protein from soy foods.

There are lots of frozen soy foods out there that taste great.

There's also soy milk, soy cheese, etc. Now, I understand that most

people don't want to eat soy exclusively, I don't do that myself.

But I do eat about 50% of my protein from soy foods. And you can

always get a tofu cookbook and make your soy foods fresh.

Just something to consider.

>>

Tracey: I think this is very wise. I also enjoy soy products and there are

many 'soy meats' at the Chinese grocery ... I also have had soy-based protein

powder (Schiff Pharmacy's Women's Natural Replacement in VAnilla) and I love

it!

I guess it just goes to the old adage that diversity is everything!

all the best,

TEresa