Re: Questions about plagio improvement in older babies

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Kathy,

's soft spot was closed before she even got in her helmet. So, all of her improvement was with it already closed. It closed early because she had a small head (less than 1st percentile) and small heads close early because the area is generally smaller to begin with. This is according to the neurosurgeon. The belief that helmets don't work with closed soft spots is the reason that my pediatirican wouldn't write the script. She didn't believe that the specialist would recommend a helmet because of this, but she did agree to send me there anyway. Apparantly, the spot was open at 9 months and closed at 12 months. I believe that the second spot spot closed by 15 months, but I'm not completely sure.

there is an area at the top of her head that is still flat and I've been told that it won't round out because her soft spot was already closed. This area is basically where our back soft spot is. I would think that everywhere else should round out. 's head did get less wide there, it just didn't round out. I keep hoping that this isn't true and alternative treatments will help. Sometimes the area seems less flat and other times it doesn't so I'm not really sure.

So, there may be less room for change now and there may be an area that won't change, but I believe that many areas of the head will still change. My understanding is that there 's closed soft spot area is just larger than most. So, we're not dealing with the same thing as with sutures. Change with the sutures is what you really need to worry about in terms of no more room for change. As long as the sutures are part of the way open, then there is hope for change. At least this is the message that my cranial doctor and ortho gave me when I asked them about it.

Questions about plagio improvement in older babies

Hi,Has anyone been in the helmet when the soft spot closed? Did the rate of improvement slow down once the soft spot closed? I'm feeling anxious because 's remaining soft spot closed recently. :|(Also, over the past couple months, the bottom half of 's head improved. To me, the bottom half looks pretty close to normal. So, this is great! However, the top part has not improved as much and it bothers me. Since the soft spot just closed, I'm feeling anxious that the top part won't ever improve much. My husband's theory is that 's head is improving from the bottom up and now that the bottom part filled in the top part will follow. Has this happened to anyone? From what direction would a flat area on the upper back right fill in from?Another thing is 's read got smoother on the right side. However, now that I got used to the current state, the bulge is bothering me again. In theory, I think it still should be possible to slowly move the parietal/temporal bones back. Anyone know about this? And over how long a period would it take for this to happen? We still go for the alternative treatments.It feels like I'll be treating 's head for a long time to come. Hopefully, it continues to pay off. I'm just really nervous about the soft spot closing. 's chiropractor says his head still moves well, but that the closing of the soft spot is an indication that the sutures will close more soon.Thanks in advance,Kathy, mom to 19.5 months, 7.5 months in Starband

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Hi,

I'm having difficulties picturing where the flat spot is on 's

head.   I've noticed some people have more of a flat spot in the upper

back then others.  Maybe, this is where it is.  has the flat area,

but it is bigger than on other heads and it angles off to the right. 

In my opinion, the left half of 's head looks about perfect. 

It was 's last remaining soft spot that just closed.  His flat area

is not near where this spot was, so this sounds good.  I wonder if his

soft spot not closing until 19 months means his sutures will stay open

late.  His head adjusts well for his age.  So, hopefully all this is

good, but I'm still feeling more nervous than I had for a couple months.

Does growth come from the center of the head outward?  Or does a flat

spot fill in from all angles?  Anybody know?  My husband wonders

whether 's flat spot had to fill in from beneath before it could

completely fill in at the top.  It has only been within the last few

months that the bottom improved so much. So, at least this part was a

nice surprise.  Maybe, I'm expecting too much to hope the top improves

as much.

Thanks again,

Kathy, mom to 19.5 months

wrote:

 

Kathy,

 

's soft spot was closed before she even got in her helmet.

So, all of her improvement was with it already closed. It closed early

because she had a small head (less than 1st percentile) and small heads

close early because the area is generally smaller to begin with. This

is according to the neurosurgeon. The belief that helmets don't work

with closed soft spots is the reason that my pediatirican wouldn't

write the script. She didn't believe that the specialist would

recommend a helmet because of this, but she did agree to send me there

anyway. Apparantly, the spot was open at 9 months and closed at 12

months. I believe that the second spot spot closed by 15 months, but

I'm not completely sure.

 

there is an area at the top of her head that is still flat and

I've been told that it won't round out because her soft spot was

already closed. This area is basically where our back soft spot is. I

would think that everywhere else should round out. 's head did

get less wide there, it just didn't round out. I keep hoping that this

isn't true and alternative treatments will help. Sometimes the area

seems less flat and other times it doesn't so I'm not really sure.

 

So, there may be less room for change now and there may be an area

that won't change, but I believe that many areas of the head will still

change. My understanding is that there 's closed soft spot area

is just larger than most. So, we're not dealing with the same thing as

with sutures. Change with the sutures is what you really need to worry

about in terms of no more room for change. As long as the sutures are

part of the way open, then there is hope for change. At least this is

the message that my cranial doctor and ortho gave me when I asked them

about it.

 

       

 

Questions about plagio improvement in older babies

 

Hi,

Has anyone been in the helmet when the soft spot closed?  Did the rate

of improvement slow down once the soft spot closed?  I'm feeling

anxious because 's remaining soft spot closed recently. :|(

Also, over the past couple months, the bottom half of 's head

improved.  To me, the bottom half looks pretty close to normal.  So,

this is great!  However, the top part has not improved as much and it

bothers me.  Since the soft spot just closed, I'm feeling anxious that

the top part won't ever improve much.  My husband's theory is that

's head is improving from the bottom up and now that the bottom

part filled in the top part will follow.  Has this happened to anyone? 

From what direction would a flat area on the upper back right fill in

from?

Another thing is 's read got smoother on the right side.  However,

now that I got used to the current state, the bulge is bothering me

again.  In theory, I think it still should be possible to slowly move

the parietal/temporal bones back.  Anyone know about this?  And over

how long a period would it take for this to happen?  We still go for

the alternative treatments.

It feels like I'll be treating 's head for a long time to come. 

Hopefully, it continues to pay off.  I'm just really nervous about the

soft spot closing.  's chiropractor says his head still moves well,

but that the closing of the soft spot is an indication that the sutures

will close more soon.

Thanks in advance,

Kathy, mom to 19.5 months, 7.5 months in Starband

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Kathy,

You are correct. This is exactly the spot that I am talking about. It's right where her back cowlick is. She looks even on both sides.

Sorry, I don't know the answers to your other questions. I would assume that it is from the outside in. The shape of the skull influences the shape that the insides are in.

We've got one more CST appointment in February, when will be almost 30 months old. Our current therapist feels that her head looks fairly good, things are moving well, and chances for additional change are decreasing each month.

She's still at once a week with chiro, but does need adjusting every time we go. She's off the Prevacid and she just passed both cheese and yogurt trials through breast milk. Amazing! Next, we are mixing in some cheese in her food on Thursday.

I have to say that I feel pretty good about her head. I can still see the brachy, but she doesn't look that different from most of the other kids that I see. Her flat spot gets harder to see as time goes by. She actually looks quite good with dry hair. We went swimming the other night and I didn't feel quite as good about her head. The brachy was more evident there so she's not completely where I'd like her to be, but I can accept this if we need to.

I still may consult a cranial osteopath before putting the issue to rest.

Questions about plagio improvement in older babies>> >> Hi,>> Has anyone been in the helmet when the soft spot closed? Did the rate > of improvement slow down once the soft spot closed? I'm feeling > anxious because 's remaining soft spot closed recently. :|(>> Also, over the past couple months, the bottom half of 's head > improved. To me, the bottom half looks pretty close to normal. So, > this is great! However, the top part has not improved as much and it > bothers me. Since the soft spot just closed, I'm feeling anxious that > the top part won't ever improve much. My husband's theory is that > 's head is improving from the bottom up and now that the bottom > part filled in the top part will follow. Has this happened to > anyone? From what direction would a flat area on the upper back right > fill in from?>> Another thing is 's read got smoother on the right side. However, > now that I got used to the current state, the bulge is bothering me > again. In theory, I think it still should be possible to slowly move > the parietal/temporal bones back. Anyone know about this? And over > how long a period would it take for this to happen? We still go for > the alternative treatments.>> It feels like I'll be treating 's head for a long time to come. > Hopefully, it continues to pay off. I'm just really nervous about the > soft spot closing. 's chiropractor says his head still moves > well, but that the closing of the soft spot is an indication that the > sutures will close more soon.>> Thanks in advance,> Kathy, mom to 19.5 months, 7.5 months in Starband>>>>>>>>>

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Hi,

A top notch cranial osteopath may be worth trying, since it is

something different.  My experience is they do a course of treatments

and then put you on maintenance.  I've lost count, but 's been to

his latest osteopath about 7 times since early Nov.  had a few

visits with a different osteopath first, but we like the new one much

better.   The osteopath has helped 's head.

has gone twice.  I believe he told my husband a few visits for

and then every few months.  I don't see any change with

's head.

I hope it is not too late for 's flat spot too.  For I don't

mind the part centered in the back, but that the flat spot extends much

farther on the right than the left.  So, the asymmetry looks odd. 

Maybe, the flatness on the far right is far enough away from where any

soft spot was that it can still fill in to match the left side more. 

Anyone know?  The flat spot has already filled in a lot on the bottom

right side.

-Kathy, mom to 19.5 months and 5 years, both with very

mild plagio

wrote:

 

Kathy,

 

You are correct. This is exactly the spot that I am talking about.

It's right where her back cowlick is. She looks even on both sides.

 

Sorry, I don't know the answers to your other questions. I would

assume that it is from the outside in. The shape of the skull

influences the shape that the insides are in.

 

We've got one more CST appointment in February, when will

be almost 30 months old. Our current therapist feels that her head

looks fairly good, things are moving well, and chances for additional

change are decreasing each month.

 

She's still at once a week with chiro, but does need adjusting

every time we go. She's off the Prevacid and she just passed both

cheese and yogurt trials through breast milk. Amazing! Next, we are

mixing in some cheese in her food on Thursday.

 

I have to say that I feel pretty good about her head. I can still

see the brachy, but she doesn't look that different from most of the

other kids that I see. Her flat spot gets harder to see as time goes

by. She actually looks quite good with dry hair. We went swimming the

other night and I didn't feel quite as good about her head. The brachy

was more evident there so she's not completely where I'd like her to

be, but I can accept this if we need to.

 

I still may consult a cranial osteopath before putting the issue

to rest.

 

       

 

Questions about plagio improvement in older

babies

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>  

>

> Hi,

>

> Has anyone been in the helmet when the soft spot closed?  Did the

rate

> of improvement slow down once the soft spot closed?  I'm feeling

> anxious because 's remaining soft spot closed recently. :|(

>

> Also, over the past couple months, the bottom half of 's head

> improved.  To me, the bottom half looks pretty close to normal.

 So,

> this is great!  However, the top part has not improved as much and

it

> bothers me.  Since the soft spot just closed, I'm feeling anxious

that

> the top part won't ever improve much.  My husband's theory is that

> 's head is improving from the bottom up and now that the

bottom

> part filled in the top part will follow.  Has this happened to

> anyone?  From what direction would a flat area on the upper back

right

> fill in from?

>

> Another thing is 's read got smoother on the right side.

 However,

> now that I got used to the current state, the bulge is bothering

me

> again.  In theory, I think it still should be possible to slowly

move

> the parietal/temporal bones back.  Anyone know about this?  And

over

> how long a period would it take for this to happen?  We still go

for

> the alternative treatments.

>

> It feels like I'll be treating 's head for a long time to

come.  

> Hopefully, it continues to pay off.  I'm just really nervous about

the

> soft spot closing.  's chiropractor says his head still moves

> well, but that the closing of the soft spot is an indication that

the

> sutures will close more soon.

>

> Thanks in advance,

> Kathy, mom to 19.5 months, 7.5 months in Starband

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Hi,

Here is a little update.

's chiropractor feels one main remaining area to work on.  She said

there is a ridge on the upper back right side.  The way she explained

it is the bones are overlapping at the suture.  She moves them apart

and that is supposed to allow growth.  After the adjustment today she

said the ridge was gone, but it comes back by the next weekly

appointment.  It is behind this ridge that I see the flat area.

My husband does not see the flat area decreasing in size any more, but

he cannot say for sure.  What he believes is that the angle of the flat

area is slowly becoming more straight across the back of the head

instead of tilted toward the right.  I think 's flat area may be

the same one as on 's head.  It is bigger on than most

other toddlers, but that may be expected since his head is bigger.  As

we see it, the main problem with 's flat spot is that it is

asymmetrically.  Hopefully, we can still get this remaining problem

fixed.

- Kathy, mom to almost 20 months, now with very mild plagio

wrote:

 

Kathy,

 

's soft spot was closed before she even got in her helmet.

So, all of her improvement was with it already closed. It closed early

because she had a small head (less than 1st percentile) and small heads

close early because the area is generally smaller to begin with. This

is according to the neurosurgeon. The belief that helmets don't work

with closed soft spots is the reason that my pediatirican wouldn't

write the script. She didn't believe that the specialist would

recommend a helmet because of this, but she did agree to send me there

anyway. Apparantly, the spot was open at 9 months and closed at 12

months. I believe that the second spot spot closed by 15 months, but

I'm not completely sure.

 

there is an area at the top of her head that is still flat and

I've been told that it won't round out because her soft spot was

already closed. This area is basically where our back soft spot is. I

would think that everywhere else should round out. 's head did

get less wide there, it just didn't round out. I keep hoping that this

isn't true and alternative treatments will help. Sometimes the area

seems less flat and other times it doesn't so I'm not really sure.

 

So, there may be less room for change now and there may be an area

that won't change, but I believe that many areas of the head will still

change. My understanding is that there 's closed soft spot area

is just larger than most. So, we're not dealing with the same thing as

with sutures. Change with the sutures is what you really need to worry

about in terms of no more room for change. As long as the sutures are

part of the way open, then there is hope for change. At least this is

the message that my cranial doctor and ortho gave me when I asked them

about it.

 

       

 

Questions about plagio improvement in older babies

 

Hi,

Has anyone been in the helmet when the soft spot closed?  Did the rate

of improvement slow down once the soft spot closed?  I'm feeling

anxious because 's remaining soft spot closed recently. :|(

Also, over the past couple months, the bottom half of 's head

improved.  To me, the bottom half looks pretty close to normal.  So,

this is great!  However, the top part has not improved as much and it

bothers me.  Since the soft spot just closed, I'm feeling anxious that

the top part won't ever improve much.  My husband's theory is that

's head is improving from the bottom up and now that the bottom

part filled in the top part will follow.  Has this happened to anyone? 

From what direction would a flat area on the upper back right fill in

from?

Another thing is 's read got smoother on the right side.  However,

now that I got used to the current state, the bulge is bothering me

again.  In theory, I think it still should be possible to slowly move

the parietal/temporal bones back.  Anyone know about this?  And over

how long a period would it take for this to happen?  We still go for

the alternative treatments.

It feels like I'll be treating 's head for a long time to come. 

Hopefully, it continues to pay off.  I'm just really nervous about the

soft spot closing.  's chiropractor says his head still moves well,

but that the closing of the soft spot is an indication that the sutures

will close more soon.

Thanks in advance,

Kathy, mom to 19.5 months, 7.5 months in Starband