Re: High Protein Post Op....

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In a message dated 11/15/01 5:56:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,

jjamineteoj@... writes:

> In other words, IF someone were to eat the same way without having DS

> surgery, wouldn't they lose much of the same weight? Is the surgery

> just the incentive to MAKE you eat this way?

>

>

No more diets has been true in my case. I eat whatever I want...if I want a

piece of cake I eat it...but the funny thing is I no longer crave the junk

food. I SERIOUSLY do not deprive myself of anything. With the DS, the

malabsorption is the reason we can eat most anything along with a smaller

stomach. Mine is between 4 and 5 ozs. I can right now eat a small plate of

food, like a lunch plate size. Some things like soup I can eat more of.

Even if I only ate junk, I'd never eat as much as I did post op. Even

thought the surgery isn't on your head, your taste buds change and your

cravings seem to go to a more normal level. I find when I've not eaten much

protein that I begin to crave it. Maybe this changes as we get farther out

from surgery (I'm not quite 4 months yet) but believe me...I'm not eating a

certain way just for surgery.

~*~ AJ ~*~

Bellingham, WA

Age 37 5'8'' Open DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs! -50.0 inches

11/14/01 BMI 50.8 334.0 -81.1 lbs! -66.0 inches

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My website:

www.wls4aj.homestead.com

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In a message dated 11/15/01 5:56:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,

jjamineteoj@... writes:

> Understand, I am still sure I'm going to have the DS in January, but

> I've just started a high-protein diet to try and shed some weight to

> make the surgery easier on my body....and I am miserable. What's

> going to change after the surgery?

>

>

What are you eating?? Try to get some variety. The way to get the protein

is not like the Dr. Atkins diet. You can eat carbs and other things, you

just want to fill up first on getting in the protein..then add whever else

sounds good!!

~*~ AJ ~*~

Bellingham, WA

Age 37 5'8'' Open DS

self pay - Dr Baltasar -Alcoy Spain

07/24/01 BMI 64 415.1

08/24/01 BMI 58 386.5 -28.6 lbs!

09/24/01 BMI 55.8 367.1 -48.0 lbs! -37.75 inches

10/24/01 BMI 52.6 346.0 -69.1 lbs! -50.0 inches

11/14/01 BMI 50.8 334.0 -81.1 lbs! -66.0 inches

My profile:

http://www.obesityhelp.com/morbidobesity/profile.phtml?N=E982002956

My website:

www.wls4aj.homestead.com

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I wish I could explain to everyone who hasn't had the DS what eating is like

afterwards. I used to love eating. I couldn't leave sweets alone and I would

sometimes plan my day around being able to eat certain foods at certain places.

I would routinely stop at the grocery store after work to pick up a pint of Ben

& Jerry's ice cream to snack on. They never lasted more than a day in my house

so I was always running to the store for one. Another favorite of mine was

Dairy Queen ice cream cake. I would buy a whole sheet cake about once every few

months and eat off of that for about a week. I would make myself a great big

slice of cake as my dinner. Does any of this sound familiar?

Since surgery, all of that has changed. At first I didn't like the taste of

sweets at all. Nothing tasted good and I only ate because I knew I needed to.

Now that I am 4 months out, things are tasting better. I once again like

chocolate, but it isn't the same. I can open a snack pack of m & m's and I find

after about 3 or 4 I don't want any more. It is like the feeling I would get

after eating a whole bunch as a pre-op. The satisfied feeling comes much

quicker. I tend to have bloating problems when I eat a lot of carbs now so I

tend to stay away from those. I lived on carbs as a pre-op. Today I had Thai

food for the first time since surgery. I had a favorite dish which is mostly

noodles. It tasted really good and I kind of got that urge to eat more than I

knew I should have. Now my stomach feels like someone is blowing a balloon up

in it and my head is pounding. Even though I know I ate too much for me, it was

only about 1/2-3/4 cup total. I used to eat about 6 times that amount and still

be hun

gry.

I no longer plan my life around food. I find that things don't appeal to me the

way they did before. Eating isn't the same. In a sense, it is kind of sad as I

used to love eating, but now I am finding love in other activities. No one

should center their life around food like I did before. Now I center my life

around my family. It feels much better that way too.

Kathy M

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JJ,

<What's

going to change after the surgery?

Thanks for your thoughts, just second guessing myself!

JJ>

Excellent question what changes are two things: 1) stomach capacity beleive me

you can no longer eat the quantities pre-op. I remember when I was a month out I

forgot about capacity and took one more bite than I need and let me tell you I

felt it...It felt like someone was squeezing my stomach to death and all I

wanted to do was vomit. I didnt vomit because I wanted to retain that experience

in my brain for a long time plus I know me the last thing I wanted was to

over-eat all the time and then vomit (FYI after the DS vomiting is a little to

easy, pre-op I would rather die than upchuck.) #2) Mal-absorption. yup combine

your new baby stomach with bypassed intenstine and you get TADA weight loss so

even on the days when you forget and you eat the donut when you are on a diet

the donut hurts your weight loss with mal-absorption your body doesnt absorb all

the fats so the donut isnt the end of your diet.....Well at least that is how I

understand the whole Atkins diet vs DS *ding ding ding* We have a winner folks

and its the DS!!!!!!!

Lisbeth

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>>when you forget and you eat the donut<<

See, that's what I mean. To me, if you have to remember not to eat

the donut, then that's a diet of sorts. I know I'm splitting hairs

here, but I'm just wondering how much of the weight loss is automatic

and how much is willpower/discipline.

If I have a handfull of fritos to go with my half a sandwich lunch,

will I not lose weight? If I have a small bowl of ice cream once or

twice a week, will I not lose weight? If I have a beer 3 nights a

week, will I not lose weight? If I eat a bowl of cereal for

breakfast every morning, will I not lose weight? Again, I'm not

talking about eating whatever I want all the time, and I know my

stomach capacity will be much smaller.

None of this is to question my decision, just trying to figure out

what to expect.

jj

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>

> None of this is to question my decision, just trying to figure out

> what to expect.

>

> jj

JJ,

You are going to lose an obscene amount of weight very quickly.

I have found that DS has afforded me a moderate life style when it

comes to eating. I eat when I am hungry. Sometime it is a lot more

than I ever expected to be able to eat other times its much less than

the hunger that I am experiencing. You are going to blow your mind if

you try to figure this out. Just take your vitamins toss in some

extra protein and enjoy your new life. For me personally I spent too

much time second guessing myself and such, time to live and smell

them damn roses. My best to all of you during the Thanksgiving

Holiday.

Regards,

7/24/02

-96 and many inches of lard.

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In a message dated 11/15/2001 7:56:45 AM Central Standard Time,

jjamineteoj@... writes:

> Here is what I'm getting at. The big advantage to this surgery for

> me is that I heard a lot of people saying " No more diets! " ....but is

> this actually true? Can I eat what ever I want to as long as I do so

> in moderation and get enough protein/hydration? Will I WANT to eat

> this way? Or am I just going to end up following an Atkins type diet

> after the surgery simply because I've made this huge committment of

> surgery?

>

>

If you want to maximize weight loss during the weight loss period, sticking

as low carb as possible will be beneficial. However, the big difference is

that the weight will STAY off. Also eating a high carb treat here or there

(if you use a maximize regimen) will not totally put you into a carb craze

(at leas that is what it was like for me on an Atkins diet many years ago).

You can have a few carbs here and there and it is not going to totally blow

the chemistry of things. Also after the weight loss period you need to eat

protein first to avoid nutritional problems, then eat what you want. Realize

that if you gain a pound or two cutting back on sugars will usually do the

trick.

Dawn--South Suburban Chicago area

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 165 5' 4 "

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting

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In a message dated 11/15/2001 9:21:20 AM Central Standard Time,

jjamineteoj@... writes:

> . I know I'm splitting hairs

> here, but I'm just wondering how much of the weight loss is automatic

> and how much is willpower/discipline.

>

In my case absolutely non of the weight loss is from will power. I credit

abosolutely all of my weight loss to the procedure! Now keeping my labs good

with vitamins and protein first that is were a tiny bit of will

power/discipline is needed.

Dawn--South Suburban Chicago area

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 165 5' 4 "

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/15/2001 12:56:51 PM Central Standard Time,

bristolgeo@... writes:

> They accused me of taking the easy way out of obesity

Ever hear of working smarter, not harder??? Why is that a sin???

Dawn--South Suburban Chicago area

Dr. Hess, Bowling Green, OH

BPD/DS

4/27/00

www.duodenalswitch.com

267 to 165 5' 4 "

size 22 to size 10

have made size goal

no more high blood pressure, sore feet, or dieting

[Guest guest]

Hi, JJ - I am still pre-op, so take my opinion with a grain of salt

Remember that the restrictive part of DS will help with you feeling

satisfied and during the first few months the most weight comes off.

I don't think that there's anyway that you could NOT not lose weight.

The protein first thing has to be, that is a given with this surgery.

We have to have the protein and vitamins to remain healthy. But with

that being said, we can eat all other foods.

Personally, I have been on so many diets in my life, KNOWING full

well that the regain would come... but hating the weight enough to

try again... THat I AM trusting that the surgery will do its job and

I don't mind REALLY being SERIOUS with watching for the " window " . I

also know that I will not be completely hard on myself, what for?? I

will make my best effort, which will be good because I know I can do

it and will get back to the YMCA. I loved to exercise before I

became so huge and out of energy.

> See, that's what I mean. To me, if you have to remember not to eat

> the donut, then that's a diet of sorts. I know I'm splitting hairs

> here, but I'm just wondering how much of the weight loss is

automatic

> and how much is willpower/discipline.

I don't think we will " forget " that we are losing weight, so that may

not be a problem. After all, I'm planning that my clothes falling

off will be a good reminder LOL

>

> If I have a handfull of fritos to go with my half a sandwich lunch,

> will I not lose weight? If I have a small bowl of ice cream once

or

> twice a week, will I not lose weight? If I have a beer 3 nights a

> week, will I not lose weight? >

Again, no matter what you will lose weight. But leave off the 3

beers a night for a week due to drastic weight loss effect on the

liver. There have been some good posts regarding alcohol after

surgery (look in the archives)

> None of this is to question my decision, just trying to figure out

> what to expect.

>

I have read so many posts and I am beginning to believe the posters

are telling the truth LOL If I can ever get my approval, I can't

wait to see if my faith has paid off!

Wanda <dreaming of permanent weight loss... can it be true????>

[Guest guest]

Glad you pointed that out JJ I tend to ramble so let me share my experience

when I said forget I meant.....I have stuff like donuts and ice cream at

home....before surgery I knew this stuff was at home hell I supplied it and I

knew how much I had and how long it would take to consume...Now I will be in the

freezer and I will be pulling out some chicken to defroast and out pops some

ice-cream so I take a spoonful and its like ok off I go to make my

chicken...Pre-op it would have been lets finish off half the icecream before

dinner and leave the rest for after dinner...Now the obession isnt

there...granted I am a bit weird so that is my experience

Lisbeth

jjamineteoj@... wrote: >>when you forget and you eat the donut<<

See, that's what I mean. To me, if you have to remember not to eat

the donut, then that's a diet of sorts. I know I'm splitting hairs

here, but I'm just wondering how much of the weight loss is automatic

and how much is willpower/discipline.

If I have a handfull of fritos to go with my half a sandwich lunch,

will I not lose weight? If I have a small bowl of ice cream once or

twice a week, will I not lose weight? If I have a beer 3 nights a

week, will I not lose weight? If I eat a bowl of cereal for

breakfast every morning, will I not lose weight? Again, I'm not

talking about eating whatever I want all the time, and I know my

stomach capacity will be much smaller.

None of this is to question my decision, just trying to figure out

what to expect.

jj

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If I have a handfull of fritos to go with my half a sandwich lunch,

will I not lose weight? If I have a small bowl of ice cream once or

twice a week, will I not lose weight>>>>>>>>

Of course you will lose if you eat those.....I eat frito scoops all the

time......Mike eats ice cream every single night.......hasnt stopped either

of us from losing and Im already at goal and he has 20 lbs to go!

Judie

[Guest guest]

> But leave off the 3

> beers a night for a week due to drastic weight loss effect on the

> liver.

Ummmm...it was one beer a nite, maybe 3 times a week....don't get the

wrong idea here! LOL

[Guest guest]

I have read so many posts and I am beginning to believe the posters

are telling the truth LOL >>>>>

Believe it! The surgery works, plain and simple!!

Your stomach capacity is drastically reduced so you really get that feeling

of satiety for the first time in your life.....when you feel that you will

be AMAZED and very pleased that you are no longer hungry!!

You WILL be able to eat anything you want after your protein.....you will

NOT feel deprived in any way.

I feel very blessed that I was obese becuz without that I would not have

this new lease on life......

hugs, Judie

[Guest guest]

>Mike eats ice cream every single night.......hasnt stopped either

> of us from losing and Im already at goal and he has 20 lbs to go!

Far out! Thanks you guys, I'm feeling better already!

jj

[Guest guest]

Hi Judie -

Can you imagine how we would be discussing this issue if we had all had the

RNY? LOL ! ! ! !

Best-

Nick

Re: Re: High Protein Post Op....

> I have read so many posts and I am beginning to believe the posters

> are telling the truth LOL >>>>>

>

> Believe it! The surgery works, plain and simple!!

> Your stomach capacity is drastically reduced so you really get that

feeling

> of satiety for the first time in your life.....when you feel that you will

> be AMAZED and very pleased that you are no longer hungry!!

> You WILL be able to eat anything you want after your protein.....you will

> NOT feel deprived in any way.

> I feel very blessed that I was obese becuz without that I would not have

> this new lease on life......

>

> hugs, Judie

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Can you imagine how we would be discussing this issue if we had all

had the

RNY? LOL ! ! ! !

Best-

Nick

I belong to a local WLS support group. I am the only DS'r you should

read some of their posts. I'd blow my brains out if I had to live

such a strict life (food wise). They hate me I even stopped posting

there. They accused me of taking the easy way out of obesity. Maybe I

should cut and paste some of the high or should I say low lites of

the board.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi -

It might be a good thing for some of the preops to see what the reality of

the RNY is. I would be interested in reading some of their lowlights, as

well.

Best-

Nick

Re: High Protein Post Op....

> Can you imagine how we would be discussing this issue if we had all

> had the

> RNY? LOL ! ! ! !

>

> Best-

>

> Nick

>

> I belong to a local WLS support group. I am the only DS'r you should

> read some of their posts. I'd blow my brains out if I had to live

> such a strict life (food wise). They hate me I even stopped posting

> there. They accused me of taking the easy way out of obesity. Maybe I

> should cut and paste some of the high or should I say low lites of

> the board.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

>

> It might be a good thing for some of the preops to see what the reality of

> the RNY is. I would be interested in reading some of their lowlights, as

> well.>>>>>>>>>

I agree with Nick......bring em on!

Judie

[Guest guest]

>

>

> >

> > It might be a good thing for some of the preops to see what the

reality of

> > the RNY is. I would be interested in reading some of their

lowlights, as

> > well.>>>>>>>>>

>

> I agree with Nick......bring em on!

>

> Judie

Judie,

I thought about this and decided to send Nick an example and not post

to the board in general. I think it would be inappropriate or me to

repot someone elses experiences. If anyone here would like I would

gladly give the group addy. So you could see for yourselves.

Regards,

the Chicken

[Guest guest]

Dear JJ,

I was on the Atkins diet, lost alot of weight and regained it back

plus some. I was miserable and it was so hard not to cheat. Life

for me now that I am almost 7 months Lap BPD/DS post-op is not like

dieting at all. Yes, I make sure I consume enough protein each day

and take my vitamins. At this point, it is easy for me to take in 90

grams of protein a day. Basically, once I know that I have eaten

enough protein and have (or will) taken in enough for the day, I eat

anything else that I want. I never lost my taste for sweets. I eat

candy, cookies and/or ice cream on a daily basis. It hasn't affected

my weight loss, so I don't really stress about it. I also eat carbs

and whatever else that I want. The only " rule " is to take in enough

protein. For example, when I eat a bagel and cream cheese, I add a

slice of smoked salmon. When I make a sandwich, I use thinner bread

and add an extra slice of meat and cheese. I also eat my piece of

meat before digging into the mashed potatos and gravy. Yes, I find

that I eat high protein, but not really anymore than I did pre-op. A

6 oz. filet mignon for dinner has about 42 grams of protein, add 2

eggs with cheese and a sausage patty for breakfast and a sandwich

with a glass of milk and some soy nuts for lunch and my protein is in

and I still have room for anything else that I want. Also, my

nightly ice cream has protein AND calcium. No way is post-op DS life

a diet at all. Also, we malabsorb alot so even though I may be

eating over 2,000 calories a day, I am not really.

Jane J.

230/151 (-79 lbs)

Lap BPD/DS

4/26/01

[Guest guest]

>

> Can you imagine how we would be discussing this issue if we had all had

the

> RNY? LOL ! ! ! !

Nick,

I think if we had the RNY we would be talking about what a terrible mistake

we had made and trying to figure out some way to undo what we did! There

would be alot of regrets, thats for sure!

Judie

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In a message dated 11/15/01 5:03:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dwkteach@... writes:

> I know I'm splitting hairs

> > here, but I'm just wondering how much of the weight loss is automatic

> > and how much is willpower/discipline.

> >

>

>

Its not automatic. If you eat lots of candy and drink sugary sodas and eat

lots of carbs you won't have the big weight loss. I don't diet. I don't have

an organized exercise program and I haven't had the dramatic weight loss of

some of some of the others. But I am happy because I haven't had to diet or

be on a treadmill. And I still lose at least 10lbs a month.

NYC MT. SINAI

JUNE 2001

lap BPD/DS

[Guest guest]

Hi Judie,

I'm so happy for you and Mike! Your life sounds like what all we

preops and wanna be preops are dreaming of - eating reasonable

amounts of the foods we want without obsessing about it or feeling

guilty. I contacted Dr. Welker by email today and am anxiously

waiting to see if he can help me out of my insurance dilemma. From

what you and others have said, if anyone can he can, so I am saying

my prayers. Congratulations of being at goal and enjoying your life!

Blessings,

Sue Everett

> >Mike eats ice cream every single night.......hasnt stopped either

> > of us from losing and Im already at goal and he has 20 lbs to go!

>

> Far out! Thanks you guys, I'm feeling better already!

>

> jj

[Guest guest]

I too did the Adkins diet and lost a lot of weight (75 lbs in 4

months) and gained it all back. I could not stay on that diet for

long periods of time. My body would just SCREAM for carbs.

So here I am 1 month post op BPD DS and what do I have to do?

Basically, the Adkins diet. I eat protein first, then I do not have

any room for anything else. I tried eating some sweets 2 weeks ago

and that really hurt my weight loss! So, no sugar for this gal. I am

a little worried that I will not be able to sustain the protein

intake and end up not loosing the weight. I still crave sweets. Any

suggestions? So far I have been able to eat everything just like

before the surgery. I do not know if that is a blessing or a curse?

At least I am only able to eat small amounts.

Thanks for letting me rave on about my insecurities.

Rita D

> Dear JJ,

>

> I was on the Atkins diet, lost alot of weight and regained it back

> plus some. I was miserable and it was so hard not to cheat. Life

> for me now that I am almost 7 months Lap BPD/DS post-op is not like

> dieting at all. Yes, I make sure I consume enough protein each day

> and take my vitamins. At this point, it is easy for me to take in

90

> grams of protein a day. Basically, once I know that I have eaten

> enough protein and have (or will) taken in enough for the day, I

eat

> anything else that I want. I never lost my taste for sweets. I

eat

> candy, cookies and/or ice cream on a daily basis. It hasn't

affected

> my weight loss, so I don't really stress about it. I also eat

carbs

> and whatever else that I want. The only " rule " is to take in

enough

> protein. For example, when I eat a bagel and cream cheese, I add a

> slice of smoked salmon. When I make a sandwich, I use thinner

bread

> and add an extra slice of meat and cheese. I also eat my piece of

> meat before digging into the mashed potatos and gravy. Yes, I find

> that I eat high protein, but not really anymore than I did pre-op.

A

> 6 oz. filet mignon for dinner has about 42 grams of protein, add 2

> eggs with cheese and a sausage patty for breakfast and a sandwich

> with a glass of milk and some soy nuts for lunch and my protein is

in

> and I still have room for anything else that I want. Also, my

> nightly ice cream has protein AND calcium. No way is post-op DS

life

> a diet at all. Also, we malabsorb alot so even though I may be

> eating over 2,000 calories a day, I am not really.

>

> Jane J.

> 230/151 (-79 lbs)

> Lap BPD/DS

> 4/26/01