Re: How about a positive post !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

I am sure most of you here think I am to be included in the negative

posts.....but maybe I am dense because I just don't understand why telling

those who have not yet had surgery, but think RNY is *the* way to go is to be

considered negative. I also do not understand why it is negative for me to

back up my claims about not wanting an RNY lifestyle with direct quotes from

people who are living with the RNY.

I also do not understand why it is negative for me to stand up for myself in

saying that I *did* more work on losing weight in my whole life than I did at

anything....had I used *that* energy for my education, I would have 12 PHds

by now. Unless a person has lived in another person's body, they do not have

a right to judge that their MO is their own fault.

I honestly do not care in the least if people choose to have the RNY once

their eyes are opened as to the lifestyle they will have. If they desire a

lifestyle of dieting and beating themselves up, I always say, hey go for it!

But I do not have to make the same choice, thank the Lord.

And if we are arguing *for* DS, how is that negative? I think it is positive

for the DS.

Negative about the RNY- is that what you are complaining about?

I am not yet a post-op (will be soon) so I cannot post about after surgery

lifestyles, but I do believe that those who post here about what their lives

are like now after DS are telling the truth.

If you will all remember, this thread started with a select *few* stating

that they were *researching* different wls methods and that the RNY is just

as good as the DS and how do any of *us* know the difference since we are

*not* doctors.

I refuse to keep quiet when I think I have been attacked for making my choice

or when I think I can perhaps save someone else from making a mistake.

However, once I do tell them what I know or lead them to further information,

if they still insist they want the RNY, who am I to deny them the lovely

journey they desire for the rest of their lives?

Hey - dieting DOES NOT WORK, whether you diet before wls or after your

stomach is butchered as in RNY. That is obvious because people who have RNY

without the malabsorption GAIN their weight back once they stop dieting.

I read in a woman's magazine the other day something that said to the effect

" we are all dieting more and yet more and more Americans are over-weight than

ever before. "

Duh - I guess they still haven't gotten it. I have lived it for over 50

years. Yes, over 25 diets later, I have lost on a few a couple of sizes, on

others lots of sizes, but with each diet, I gained back what I lost plus MORE.

I still say that those who start dieting when they are only 5 lbs

over-weight, will eventually gain back 7, then diet to lose those 7, then

gain back 10.....etc. etc. etc.

eventually they will be dieting to lose 20 or more. THAT is why more

Americans are over-weight than ever before even tho they are dieting more

than ever before.

Those who are post-op *DO* post postively, and still there are those who do

not think personal experience is any measure of proof and that only a

Doctor's opinion is what matters.

Carole

[Guest guest]

I haven't posted here in awhile as I just can't seem to plod thru the many

negative posts and cat fights etc. as easily as before. But I must echo the

sentiments Dan's post.

I saw it and it reminded me of just how great life has been since my surgery

which was on March 7th of this year. I'm down 140 pounds since then and feel

absolutely GREAT!!!!!!!

dberman2@... wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> Been sorta tough reading many of the postings the last few days. Hope

> you do not mind if I mention that I am 5 months post-op as of today.

> Feel great, eat anything, about 1/2 - 2/3 volume presurgery. Have

> been very complaint with nutrionist suggestions, and really trying to

> MAXIMIZE the 12-18 month weight loss window. Of course I feel better

> physically, but also emotionally. Yeah, the stresses of everyday life

> do not disapate, but mentally...when you feel good about

> yourself...you just deal with the hurdles easier.

>

> To those preops....I can not describe how easy and normal these last

> 5 months have been. Sure, those few weeks after surgery were not

> fab...but it passes oh so quick, and then you feel much better than

> when you started. The best decision for me was picking the BPD/DS. It

> allows me a normal lifestyle, longer and healthy life and best chance

> of keeping the weight off!

>

> Five months today

>

> Start 373 pounds BMI 53

> Today 257 pounds BMI 37

> 5 months...down 116 tiny pounds.

>

> A POSITIVE POSTER!!!!

>

> Dan

>

--

Best Regards,

Rich

" One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain "

BM

[Guest guest]

Way to go Dan!!!

> Hi all,

>

>

> Been sorta tough reading many of the postings the last few days.

Hope

> you do not mind if I mention that I am 5 months post-op as of today.

> Feel great, eat anything, about 1/2 - 2/3 volume presurgery. Have

> been very complaint with nutrionist suggestions, and really trying

to

> MAXIMIZE the 12-18 month weight loss window. Of course I feel

better

> physically, but also emotionally. Yeah, the stresses of everyday

life

> do not disapate, but mentally...when you feel good about

> yourself...you just deal with the hurdles easier.

>

> To those preops....I can not describe how easy and normal these

last

> 5 months have been. Sure, those few weeks after surgery were not

> fab...but it passes oh so quick, and then you feel much better than

> when you started. The best decision for me was picking the BPD/DS.

It

> allows me a normal lifestyle, longer and healthy life and best

chance

> of keeping the weight off!

>

>

> Five months today

>

> Start 373 pounds BMI 53

> Today 257 pounds BMI 37

> 5 months...down 116 tiny pounds.

>

> A POSITIVE POSTER!!!!

>

>

> Dan

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Congratulations!! I can't wait to feel normal again and be down 116 lbs and

still going!

Anita

Surgery Date 11/08/01

> Hi all,

>

>

> Been sorta tough reading many of the postings the last few days. Hope

> you do not mind if I mention that I am 5 months post-op as of today.

> Feel great, eat anything, about 1/2 - 2/3 volume presurgery. Have

> been very complaint with nutrionist suggestions, and really trying to

> MAXIMIZE the 12-18 month weight loss window. Of course I feel better

> physically, but also emotionally. Yeah, the stresses of everyday life

> do not disapate, but mentally...when you feel good about

> yourself...you just deal with the hurdles easier.

>

> To those preops....I can not describe how easy and normal these last

> 5 months have been. Sure, those few weeks after surgery were not

> fab...but it passes oh so quick, and then you feel much better than

> when you started. The best decision for me was picking the BPD/DS. It

> allows me a normal lifestyle, longer and healthy life and best chance

> of keeping the weight off!

>

>

> Five months today

>

> Start 373 pounds BMI 53

> Today 257 pounds BMI 37

> 5 months...down 116 tiny pounds.

>

> A POSITIVE POSTER!!!!

>

>

> Dan

[Guest guest]

Rich,

That's wonderful!! Given your last picture, you must be close to or at goal now,

right ??

Anita

Surgery Date 11/08/01

>

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Been sorta tough reading many of the postings the last few days. Hope

> > you do not mind if I mention that I am 5 months post-op as of today.

> > Feel great, eat anything, about 1/2 - 2/3 volume presurgery. Have

> > been very complaint with nutrionist suggestions, and really trying to

> > MAXIMIZE the 12-18 month weight loss window. Of course I feel better

> > physically, but also emotionally. Yeah, the stresses of everyday life

> > do not disapate, but mentally...when you feel good about

> > yourself...you just deal with the hurdles easier.

> >

> > To those preops....I can not describe how easy and normal these last

> > 5 months have been. Sure, those few weeks after surgery were not

> > fab...but it passes oh so quick, and then you feel much better than

> > when you started. The best decision for me was picking the BPD/DS. It

> > allows me a normal lifestyle, longer and healthy life and best chance

> > of keeping the weight off!

> >

> > Five months today

> >

> > Start 373 pounds BMI 53

> > Today 257 pounds BMI 37

> > 5 months...down 116 tiny pounds.

> >

> > A POSITIVE POSTER!!!!

> >

> > Dan

> >

>

> --

> Best Regards,

>

> Rich

>

> " One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain "

>

> BM

[Guest guest]

Yeah! What she said!

I'm behind you, Carole, and think most of the people here are, too. What is

this forum for, after all, if not to state our opinion on (hello?) DS

SURGERY!

That IS, after all, the name on the return address. If someone comes here

and gets offended because we are in favor of it, well, then, hell....we'll

just sic Nick on 'em.

Ford

[Guest guest]

ROTFLMAO Good one Ford

Lisbeth

Ford Ivey wrote: If someone comes here

and gets offended because we are in favor of it, well, then, hell....we'll

just sic Nick on 'em.

Ford

----------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Carole,

I dont think you are negative I think you are impassioned....I feel and am the

same way....When a newbie comes onto one of the list I tell about the DS and

point them in the right direction...Where they go from there is up to them....I

did my part.....I know how you feel though I subscribe to quite a few boards and

its hard having a voice when the majority have had a different surgery....I

think the only way this will change is when the NIH updates its

information....And time....when the long-term benefits of the DS and the RNY are

really compared its going to open up alot of people eyes....I am not including

the band because the band is a purely restrictive procedure.

Lisbeth

MsMystic1@... wrote: I am sure most of you here think I am to be included

in the negative

posts.....but maybe I am dense because I just don't understand why telling

those who have not yet had surgery, but think RNY is *the* way to go is to be

considered negative. I also do not understand why it is negative for me to

back up my claims about not wanting an RNY lifestyle with direct quotes from

people who are living with the RNY.

I also do not understand why it is negative for me to stand up for myself in

saying that I *did* more work on losing weight in my whole life than I did at

anything....had I used *that* energy for my education, I would have 12 PHds

by now. Unless a person has lived in another person's body, they do not have

a right to judge that their MO is their own fault.

I honestly do not care in the least if people choose to have the RNY once

their eyes are opened as to the lifestyle they will have. If they desire a

lifestyle of dieting and beating themselves up, I always say, hey go for it!

But I do not have to make the same choice, thank the Lord.

And if we are arguing *for* DS, how is that negative? I think it is positive

for the DS.

Negative about the RNY- is that what you are complaining about?

I am not yet a post-op (will be soon) so I cannot post about after surgery

lifestyles, but I do believe that those who post here about what their lives

are like now after DS are telling the truth.

If you will all remember, this thread started with a select *few* stating

that they were *researching* different wls methods and that the RNY is just

as good as the DS and how do any of *us* know the difference since we are

*not* doctors.

I refuse to keep quiet when I think I have been attacked for making my choice

or when I think I can perhaps save someone else from making a mistake.

However, once I do tell them what I know or lead them to further information,

if they still insist they want the RNY, who am I to deny them the lovely

journey they desire for the rest of their lives?

Hey - dieting DOES NOT WORK, whether you diet before wls or after your

stomach is butchered as in RNY. That is obvious because people who have RNY

without the malabsorption GAIN their weight back once they stop dieting.

I read in a woman's magazine the other day something that said to the effect

" we are all dieting more and yet more and more Americans are over-weight than

ever before. "

Duh - I guess they still haven't gotten it. I have lived it for over 50

years. Yes, over 25 diets later, I have lost on a few a couple of sizes, on

others lots of sizes, but with each diet, I gained back what I lost plus MORE.

I still say that those who start dieting when they are only 5 lbs

over-weight, will eventually gain back 7, then diet to lose those 7, then

gain back 10.....etc. etc. etc.

eventually they will be dieting to lose 20 or more. THAT is why more

Americans are over-weight than ever before even tho they are dieting more

than ever before.

Those who are post-op *DO* post postively, and still there are those who do

not think personal experience is any measure of proof and that only a

Doctor's opinion is what matters.

Carole

----------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Thank you! You have no idea how encouraging this is for a recent

postie! I'll be very happy when I feel NORMAL again!

Tracey in Santee (San Diego)

Dr. Keshishian 11/12/01

> Hi all,

> To those preops....I can not describe how easy and normal these

last

> 5 months have been. >

>

> Dan

[Guest guest]

Willbe posting some new pics soon. I would say that I am about 15-25

pounds from MY goal but if it all stopped now I would hardly complain.

Odd though how people are now telling me to stop or slow down as I am

looking to thin to them and funny how no one ever says keep gaining weight

you dont look fat enough.

--- Anita wrote:

> Rich,

>

> That's wonderful!! Given your last picture, you must be close to or at

> goal now, right ??

>

> Anita

> Surgery Date 11/08/01

>

>

> > I haven't posted here in awhile as I just can't seem to plod thru the

> many negative posts and cat fights etc. as easily as before. But I must

> echo the sentiments Dan's post.

> > I saw it and it reminded me of just how great life has been since my

> surgery which was on March 7th of this year. I'm down 140 pounds since

> then and feel absolutely GREAT!!!!!!!

> >

> >

>

>

>

=====

" One good thing about music...when it hits you feel no pain "

BM

QUAA

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

lol Ford!! You read my mind!! lolololol!

> Yeah! What she said!

>

> I'm behind you, Carole, and think most of the people here are, too.

What is

> this forum for, after all, if not to state our opinion on (hello?)

DS

> SURGERY!

>

> That IS, after all, the name on the return address. If someone

comes here

> and gets offended because we are in favor of it, well, then,

hell....we'll

> just sic Nick on 'em.

>

> Ford

[Guest guest]

Hi Carole -

I think that we have missed their point entirely. It seems that there are

people out there who don't think honesty and accuracy are always " nice. " Of

course, as we were taught since kindergarten, we have to be " nice " at all

costs.

Best-

Nick

Re: How about a positive post

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> I am sure most of you here think I am to be included in the negative

> posts.....but maybe I am dense because I just don't understand why telling

> those who have not yet had surgery, but think RNY is *the* way to go is to

be

> considered negative. I also do not understand why it is negative for me

to

> back up my claims about not wanting an RNY lifestyle with direct quotes

from

> people who are living with the RNY.

> I also do not understand why it is negative for me to stand up for myself

in

> saying that I *did* more work on losing weight in my whole life than I did

at

> anything....had I used *that* energy for my education, I would have 12

PHds

> by now. Unless a person has lived in another person's body, they do not

have

> a right to judge that their MO is their own fault.

> I honestly do not care in the least if people choose to have the RNY once

> their eyes are opened as to the lifestyle they will have. If they desire

a

> lifestyle of dieting and beating themselves up, I always say, hey go for

it!

> But I do not have to make the same choice, thank the Lord.

> And if we are arguing *for* DS, how is that negative? I think it is

positive

> for the DS.

> Negative about the RNY- is that what you are complaining about?

> I am not yet a post-op (will be soon) so I cannot post about after surgery

> lifestyles, but I do believe that those who post here about what their

lives

> are like now after DS are telling the truth.

> If you will all remember, this thread started with a select *few* stating

> that they were *researching* different wls methods and that the RNY is

just

> as good as the DS and how do any of *us* know the difference since we are

> *not* doctors.

> I refuse to keep quiet when I think I have been attacked for making my

choice

> or when I think I can perhaps save someone else from making a mistake.

> However, once I do tell them what I know or lead them to further

information,

> if they still insist they want the RNY, who am I to deny them the lovely

> journey they desire for the rest of their lives?

> Hey - dieting DOES NOT WORK, whether you diet before wls or after your

> stomach is butchered as in RNY. That is obvious because people who have

RNY

> without the malabsorption GAIN their weight back once they stop dieting.

> I read in a woman's magazine the other day something that said to the

effect

> " we are all dieting more and yet more and more Americans are over-weight

than

> ever before. "

> Duh - I guess they still haven't gotten it. I have lived it for over 50

> years. Yes, over 25 diets later, I have lost on a few a couple of sizes,

on

> others lots of sizes, but with each diet, I gained back what I lost plus

MORE.

> I still say that those who start dieting when they are only 5 lbs

> over-weight, will eventually gain back 7, then diet to lose those 7, then

> gain back 10.....etc. etc. etc.

> eventually they will be dieting to lose 20 or more. THAT is why more

> Americans are over-weight than ever before even tho they are dieting more

> than ever before.

> Those who are post-op *DO* post postively, and still there are those who

do

> not think personal experience is any measure of proof and that only a

> Doctor's opinion is what matters.

> Carole

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Aw, Nick, THAT was nice.

Niceford

Re: Re: How about a positive post

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Carole -

I think that we have missed their point entirely. It seems that there are

people out there who don't think honesty and accuracy are always " nice. " Of

course, as we were taught since kindergarten, we have to be " nice " at all

costs.

Best-

Nick

[Guest guest]

Dan

I'm new here and I'm pre consult LOL

but loved reading how great your doing.

That is a tremendous amount of weight in such a short time.

I'm glad and happy for you and it makes me excited for when my time

comes.

Congratulations

[Guest guest]

Quaa,

I know what you mean...today someone asked me how much weight I had lost so I

said 63 lbs and stupidly I said....I have another 50 to go and they said you

cant do that you will look like Calista Flockart (Ally McBeal) I was thinking

yeah like I swallowed Ally McBeal ....When I was fat all I heard was lose weight

now its dont lose any more weight who understands people

Lisbeth

QUAA wrote: Willbe posting some new pics soon. I would say

that I am about 15-25

pounds from MY goal but if it all stopped now I would hardly complain.

Odd though how people are now telling me to stop or slow down as I am

looking to thin to them and funny how no one ever says keep gaining weight

you dont look fat enough.

--- Anita wrote:

> Rich,

>

> That's wonderful!! Given your last picture, you must be close to or at

> goal now, right ??

>

> Anita

> Surgery Date 11/08/01

>

>

> > I haven't posted here in awhile as I just can't seem to plod thru the

> many negative posts and cat fights etc. as easily as before. But I must

> echo the sentiments Dan's post.

> > I saw it and it reminded me of just how great life has been since my

> surgery which was on March 7th of this year. I'm down 140 pounds since

> then and feel absolutely GREAT!!!!!!!

> >

> >

>

>

>

=====

" One good thing about music...when it hits you feel no pain "

BM

QUAA

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Dan,

Congratulations on your weight loss. I am pre-op

01/09/02. Can't wait to join the rest of you. It was

really nice hearing how great you feel. Did you have

open or lap. I am alittle worried about how long I am

going to have to be off work.

Take care,

--- dberman2@... wrote:

> Hi all,

>

>

> Been sorta tough reading many of the postings the

> last few days. Hope

> you do not mind if I mention that I am 5 months

> post-op as of today.

> Feel great, eat anything, about 1/2 - 2/3 volume

> presurgery. Have

> been very complaint with nutrionist suggestions, and

> really trying to

> MAXIMIZE the 12-18 month weight loss window. Of

> course I feel better

> physically, but also emotionally. Yeah, the stresses

> of everyday life

> do not disapate, but mentally...when you feel good

> about

> yourself...you just deal with the hurdles easier.

>

> To those preops....I can not describe how easy and

> normal these last

> 5 months have been. Sure, those few weeks after

> surgery were not

> fab...but it passes oh so quick, and then you feel

> much better than

> when you started. The best decision for me was

> picking the BPD/DS. It

> allows me a normal lifestyle, longer and healthy

> life and best chance

> of keeping the weight off!

>

>

> Five months today

>

> Start 373 pounds BMI 53

> Today 257 pounds BMI 37

> 5 months...down 116 tiny pounds.

>

> A POSITIVE POSTER!!!!

>

>

> Dan

>

>

>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

I get a lot out of the " negative " as well as positive posts. I vacillate

back and forth about getting the surgery done. The passion the negative

posts bring out also includes a lot of information. I usually learn one more

thing to help me stick to my decision and know that it is the right decision.

I don't believe that one can have too much knowledge. I really don't want

to stick my head in the sand.

Pam

[Guest guest]

> > Hi all,

> >

> >

> > Been sorta tough reading many of the postings the

> > last few days. Hope

> > you do not mind if I mention that I am 5 months

> > post-op as of today.

> > Feel great, eat anything, about 1/2 - 2/3 volume

> > presurgery. Have

> > been very complaint with nutrionist suggestions, and

> > really trying to

> > MAXIMIZE the 12-18 month weight loss window. Of

> > course I feel better

> > physically, but also emotionally. Yeah, the stresses

> > of everyday life

> > do not disapate, but mentally...when you feel good

> > about

> > yourself...you just deal with the hurdles easier.

> >

> > To those preops....I can not describe how easy and

> > normal these last

> > 5 months have been. Sure, those few weeks after

> > surgery were not

> > fab...but it passes oh so quick, and then you feel

> > much better than

> > when you started. The best decision for me was

> > picking the BPD/DS. It

> > allows me a normal lifestyle, longer and healthy

> > life and best chance

> > of keeping the weight off!

> >

> >

> > Five months today

> >

> > Start 373 pounds BMI 53

> > Today 257 pounds BMI 37

> > 5 months...down 116 tiny pounds.

> >

> > A POSITIVE POSTER!!!!

> >

> >

> > Dan

> >

> >

> >

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--

> >

[Guest guest]

Dearest Dan,

Called the pharmacy. They said they have never heard of you, don't

know who you are, and KiKi is still waiting for her $200 bucks since

last August.

However, if I knew the secret word, I could get the Godiva ADEKs!

Laughing.

Theresa

Dr. Jossart

11-19-01

-12#s

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > >

> > > Been sorta tough reading many of the postings the

> > > last few days. Hope

> > > you do not mind if I mention that I am 5 months

> > > post-op as of today.

> > > Feel great, eat anything, about 1/2 - 2/3 volume

> > > presurgery. Have

> > > been very complaint with nutrionist suggestions, and

> > > really trying to

> > > MAXIMIZE the 12-18 month weight loss window. Of

> > > course I feel better

> > > physically, but also emotionally. Yeah, the stresses

> > > of everyday life

> > > do not disapate, but mentally...when you feel good

> > > about

> > > yourself...you just deal with the hurdles easier.

> > >

> > > To those preops....I can not describe how easy and

> > > normal these last

> > > 5 months have been. Sure, those few weeks after

> > > surgery were not

> > > fab...but it passes oh so quick, and then you feel

> > > much better than

> > > when you started. The best decision for me was

> > > picking the BPD/DS. It

> > > allows me a normal lifestyle, longer and healthy

> > > life and best chance

> > > of keeping the weight off!

> > >

> > >

> > > Five months today

> > >

> > > Start 373 pounds BMI 53

> > > Today 257 pounds BMI 37

> > > 5 months...down 116 tiny pounds.

> > >

> > > A POSITIVE POSTER!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > > Dan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

--

> --

> > >