Re: P/M's (oops, real post this time)

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Dr. Ponseti bent our bar.

Christee

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I've gone through (or am currently in the process of using) four pair of

shoes now between the two boys and I haven't had any blister issues.

I'm thinking it may have been one of those fluke things that your had problems.

Anyway, I hope you're next pair is smooth sailing for you all!

s.

P/M's (oops, real post this time)

's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off getting new

ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue again. This pair has been

excellent. They started cracking in the rubber in the back of the heel about 5

months ago. Well now, not only has the crack turned into a complete large hole,

but another spot (in the same heel) has also cracked now and it is only being

held together by the leather. Last night, I finally came to the conclusion I

need to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so broken in and just right,

I hate getting new ones. Her toes are over the edge in the front too.

Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering what these are

going to look like. Because is older (not as old as Darbi), I am

wondering which shoes will make for . I need to call him and see what

he decides I guess.

Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar isn't bent. Is

anyone elses?

and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

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,

is almost done with re-designing the size 6's for Darbi. We too

have a broken shoe. She was in size 5's and that's when the sore was

first seen. Those had a mfr. error and split, they were

replaced. One broke again. Little bubbles in the mold were to blame

I think. In the 5's she had big problems. So we cut them out in the

back which in turn made them break lol. I think you know all this

though. So, she got new shoes in Feb. through Shriners. These were

6's. The counter was less pronounced and higher yes, but still some

red marks. Not bad though. It seems she's turned a corner however

and the past week it's gotten worse with her complaining about pain

and me taking them off or not even putting them on a couple nights so

far. She has plenty of room in the toes still, so she does not need

the new 7's which he has recently designed with a newly located heel counter.

We did the casting socks he was hoping would help him to be able to

make the shoes more accurately. Darbi was the guinea pig for that

and I think we found a product that will really help him to *know*

the whole foot. It's a little sock that you wet and it molds to the

foot, kinda like taking an impression cast for an AFO but it's a sock

that is impregnated with something that hardens. This has been able

to show him exactly where her sore is in relation to the shoe itself

and I marked where the top of the calcaneous is and then where the

tendon is flexible above that - I am very excited to see how this new

6 will work for her and actually hot to get it now that she has

apparently grown enough to pass into being big enough for the spot to

become a problem. It is still, worse on her non-affected foot than

her CF, too funny.

What size is using right now? If it's a 4, let me know. In

fact, why don't we just chat on the phone and I'll tell you more

about all this. I think you need new shoes! lol

The bottom line here, is that is actively working on

making shoes for older kids that are exactly what they need. I'm very

excited about his enthusiasm, he wants only to make shoes that babies

(KIDS! lol) are happy in and he's working very hard to be able to

provide this for all of you in the future. Gotta love that!

Kori

At 06:04 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote:

>'s P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off

>getting new ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue

>again. This pair has been excellent. They started cracking in the

>rubber in the back of the heel about 5 months ago. Well now, not

>only has the crack turned into a complete large hole, but another

>spot (in the same heel) has also cracked now and it is only being

>held together by the leather. Last night, I finally came to the

>conclusion I need to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so

>broken in and just right, I hate getting new ones. Her toes are

>over the edge in the front too.

>

> Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering what

> these are going to look like. Because is older (not as old

> as Darbi), I am wondering which shoes will make for . I

> need to call him and see what he decides I guess.

>

> Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar

> isn't bent. Is anyone elses?

>

> and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

>

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Thanks ee!!

I will call and talk to him about 's next pair of shoes. Hopefully,

we will be in better shape this time around. I think with the older kids, the

s really haven't been tested. What fits for the youngins doesn't

necessarily fit well with the older kiddos feet. Especially since their foot is

developed more and actually starts to look like a 'normal' foot. is only

2. Who knows how the s will do when she gets to be older like 4. I

think it is a learning curve for too!! If we continue to work together,

eventually years down the road it will be easy street for the future kiddos.

That's the goal anyway!!

number23 wrote:

I've gone through (or am currently in the process of using) four pair of

shoes now between the two boys and I haven't had any blister issues.

I'm thinking it may have been one of those fluke things that your had problems.

Anyway, I hope you're next pair is smooth sailing for you all!

s.

P/M's (oops, real post this time)

's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off getting new

ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue again. This pair has been

excellent. They started cracking in the rubber in the back of the heel about 5

months ago. Well now, not only has the crack turned into a complete large hole,

but another spot (in the same heel) has also cracked now and it is only being

held together by the leather. Last night, I finally came to the conclusion I

need to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so broken in and just right,

I hate getting new ones. Her toes are over the edge in the front too.

Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering what these are

going to look like. Because is older (not as old as Darbi), I am

wondering which shoes will make for . I need to call him and see what

he decides I guess.

Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar isn't bent. Is

anyone elses?

and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

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Hi , et al-

I have a question. As you know, Maddie is in the shoes also. She

is almost 11 months now and having no problems with her shoes (thankfully).

I did not even realize the s came in different sizes. Just out of

curiosity (and maybe others can also chime in), what is the problem that

older kids have with the s? Maybe this was talked about before and

I was just not paying attention, but would be interested in hearing the

potential problems for the older kids.

Thanks, Kim

Mom to Maddie, BCF, 06/16/2005

>

> Thanks ee!!

>

> I will call and talk to him about 's next pair of shoes.

> Hopefully, we will be in better shape this time around. I think with the

> older kids, the s really haven't been tested. What fits for the

> youngins doesn't necessarily fit well with the older kiddos feet.

> Especially since their foot is developed more and actually starts to look

> like a 'normal' foot. is only 2. Who knows how the s will do

> when she gets to be older like 4. I think it is a learning curve for

> too!! If we continue to work together, eventually years down the road it

> will be easy street for the future kiddos. That's the goal anyway!!

>

>

> number23 wrote:

> I've gone through (or am currently in the process of using) four

> pair of shoes now between the two boys and I haven't had any

> blister issues. I'm thinking it may have been one of those fluke things

> that your had problems. Anyway, I hope you're next pair is smooth sailing

> for you all!

>

> s.

> P/M's (oops, real post this time)

>

>

> 's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off getting

> new ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue again. This pair

> has been excellent. They started cracking in the rubber in the back of the

> heel about 5 months ago. Well now, not only has the crack turned into a

> complete large hole, but another spot (in the same heel) has also cracked

> now and it is only being held together by the leather. Last night, I

> finally came to the conclusion I need to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!!

> These are so broken in and just right, I hate getting new ones. Her toes

> are over the edge in the front too.

>

> Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering what these

> are going to look like. Because is older (not as old as Darbi), I am

> wondering which shoes will make for . I need to call him and see

> what he decides I guess.

>

> Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar isn't

> bent. Is anyone elses?

>

> and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

>

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Hi Kim,

When and Dr. Ponseti designed these shoes, they were really only

intended for the little feet. Since they are so well loved, people

aren't going back to Markells. Now he's had to make larger shoes

that haven't really had a lot of specialized design behind them and

it appears that the heel counter is a bit too low. It presses on

bone, rather than tendon and has caused some red marks and

sores. Not extreme, but worth taking a look into and that's what's

happening now. The older foot is nothing like a baby CF - nothing

like a baby non-affected foot even. It actually looks like a

foot! lol... I am one of the parents who pressed for larger sized

shoes when there were none, so the shoes were made. Fortunately,

we're taking notice of the little things that may need to be modified

and is actively working to make every shoe *just right* for

every foot he sees.

Considering has only been making these for 2 years, and

is working so dilligently to make them perfect for our little

ones... I think he's doing a bang up job personally. Markell shoes

have been around for decades, yet only recently were re-designed to

accommodate these feet. As far as I know, the Markell 1644's are

only used for clubfoot now. And my personal opinion on that is there

is a long way for Markell shoes to go to be anything close to the

brilliance of the Ponseti shoes.

You may be heading into an age where you *may* see a heel counter

issue. May... Most babes this age don't see it as they are well

designed for the first year or two. If however you do see some

marking on the heel just watch it, and let know about it. It

will be good information to have parents let him know what the feet

do and how they grow during the second year. I do think most babes

will be just fine up through the size 3 or 4 with the information I

have at the moment. Right now we have size 7 and 6 re-designed so

we'll see how these shoes work for now and of course, let everyone

know how we like them.

Hope this helps,

Kori

At 09:37 AM 5/12/2006, you wrote:

>Hi , et al-

>

>I have a question. As you know, Maddie is in the shoes also. She

>is almost 11 months now and having no problems with her shoes (thankfully).

>I did not even realize the s came in different sizes. Just out of

>curiosity (and maybe others can also chime in), what is the problem that

>older kids have with the s? Maybe this was talked about before and

>I was just not paying attention, but would be interested in hearing the

>potential problems for the older kids.

>

>Thanks, Kim

>Mom to Maddie, BCF, 06/16/2005

>

>

>

> >

> > Thanks ee!!

> >

> > I will call and talk to him about 's next pair of shoes.

> > Hopefully, we will be in better shape this time around. I think with the

> > older kids, the s really haven't been tested. What fits for the

> > youngins doesn't necessarily fit well with the older kiddos feet.

> > Especially since their foot is developed more and actually starts to look

> > like a 'normal' foot. is only 2. Who knows how the

> s will do

> > when she gets to be older like 4. I think it is a learning curve for

> > too!! If we continue to work together, eventually years down the road it

> > will be easy street for the future kiddos. That's the goal anyway!!

> >

> >

> > number23 wrote:

> > I've gone through (or am currently in the process of using) four

> > pair of shoes now between the two boys and I haven't had any

> > blister issues. I'm thinking it may have been one of those fluke things

> > that your had problems. Anyway, I hope you're next pair is smooth sailing

> > for you all!

> >

> > s.

> > P/M's (oops, real post this time)

> >

> >

> > 's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off getting

> > new ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue again. This pair

> > has been excellent. They started cracking in the rubber in the back of the

> > heel about 5 months ago. Well now, not only has the crack turned into a

> > complete large hole, but another spot (in the same heel) has also cracked

> > now and it is only being held together by the leather. Last night, I

> > finally came to the conclusion I need to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!!

> > These are so broken in and just right, I hate getting new ones. Her toes

> > are over the edge in the front too.

> >

> > Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering what these

> > are going to look like. Because is older (not as old as Darbi), I am

> > wondering which shoes will make for . I need to call him and see

> > what he decides I guess.

> >

> > Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar isn't

> > bent. Is anyone elses?

> >

> > and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

> >

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> >

> >

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Kori-

I just read your message (a little behind on my e-mails...) and thanks for

the information. I will keep an eye on Maddie's heels and advise if I see

any marks. Glad to hear that is actively working to

accommodate the shoes and will certainly provide any input for future

modifications. We are SOOO happy with them. We will probably need to order

a new pair in a couple months. Her toes are getting close to the end. She

has been in them since late Nov 2005, so it seems like she will get a good

8-9 months from this pair. Is that about average???

Is there a market for used s??? The pair that Maddie is wearing now

are in excellent condition.

Interesting, I did not realize that they have only been around for a couple

of years.

Thanks again, Kim

Mom to Maddie, BCF, 06/16/2005

>

> Hi Kim,

>

> When and Dr. Ponseti designed these shoes, they were really only

> intended for the little feet. Since they are so well loved, people

> aren't going back to Markells. Now he's had to make larger shoes

> that haven't really had a lot of specialized design behind them and

> it appears that the heel counter is a bit too low. It presses on

> bone, rather than tendon and has caused some red marks and

> sores. Not extreme, but worth taking a look into and that's what's

> happening now. The older foot is nothing like a baby CF - nothing

> like a baby non-affected foot even. It actually looks like a

> foot! lol... I am one of the parents who pressed for larger sized

> shoes when there were none, so the shoes were made. Fortunately,

> we're taking notice of the little things that may need to be modified

> and is actively working to make every shoe *just right* for

> every foot he sees.

>

> Considering has only been making these for 2 years, and

> is working so dilligently to make them perfect for our little

> ones... I think he's doing a bang up job personally. Markell shoes

> have been around for decades, yet only recently were re-designed to

> accommodate these feet. As far as I know, the Markell 1644's are

> only used for clubfoot now. And my personal opinion on that is there

> is a long way for Markell shoes to go to be anything close to the

> brilliance of the Ponseti shoes.

>

> You may be heading into an age where you *may* see a heel counter

> issue. May... Most babes this age don't see it as they are well

> designed for the first year or two. If however you do see some

> marking on the heel just watch it, and let know about it. It

> will be good information to have parents let him know what the feet

> do and how they grow during the second year. I do think most babes

> will be just fine up through the size 3 or 4 with the information I

> have at the moment. Right now we have size 7 and 6 re-designed so

> we'll see how these shoes work for now and of course, let everyone

> know how we like them.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Kori

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> At 09:37 AM 5/12/2006, you wrote:

> >Hi , et al-

> >

> >I have a question. As you know, Maddie is in the shoes also.

> She

> >is almost 11 months now and having no problems with her shoes

> (thankfully).

> >I did not even realize the s came in different sizes. Just out

> of

> >curiosity (and maybe others can also chime in), what is the problem that

> >older kids have with the s? Maybe this was talked about before

> and

> >I was just not paying attention, but would be interested in hearing the

> >potential problems for the older kids.

> >

> >Thanks, Kim

> >Mom to Maddie, BCF, 06/16/2005

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thanks ee!!

> > >

> > > I will call and talk to him about 's next pair of shoes.

> > > Hopefully, we will be in better shape this time around. I think with

> the

> > > older kids, the s really haven't been tested. What fits for

> the

> > > youngins doesn't necessarily fit well with the older kiddos feet.

> > > Especially since their foot is developed more and actually starts to

> look

> > > like a 'normal' foot. is only 2. Who knows how the

> > s will do

> > > when she gets to be older like 4. I think it is a learning curve for

>

> > > too!! If we continue to work together, eventually years down the road

> it

> > > will be easy street for the future kiddos. That's the goal anyway!!

> > >

> > >

> > > number23 wrote:

> > > I've gone through (or am currently in the process of using)

> four

> > > pair of shoes now between the two boys and I haven't had any

> > > blister issues. I'm thinking it may have been one of those fluke

> things

> > > that your had problems. Anyway, I hope you're next pair is smooth

> sailing

> > > for you all!

> > >

> > > s.

> > > P/M's (oops, real post this time)

> > >

> > >

> > > 's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off

> getting

> > > new ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue again. This

> pair

> > > has been excellent. They started cracking in the rubber in the back

> of the

> > > heel about 5 months ago. Well now, not only has the crack turned into

> a

> > > complete large hole, but another spot (in the same heel) has also

> cracked

> > > now and it is only being held together by the leather. Last night, I

> > > finally came to the conclusion I need to get a new pair! Gee, ya

> think!!

> > > These are so broken in and just right, I hate getting new ones. Her

> toes

> > > are over the edge in the front too.

> > >

> > > Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering what

> these

> > > are going to look like. Because is older (not as old as Darbi),

> I am

> > > wondering which shoes will make for . I need to call him

> and see

> > > what he decides I guess.

> > >

> > > Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar isn't

> > > bent. Is anyone elses?

> > >

> > > and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

> > >

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I hadn't thought about it in those terms but you're right. The older foot is

shaped a lot differently.

Garrison has been in his 1st pair here about a month now I think. I'm still

nervous about it, always micro analyzing is his heel in there OK. I have to

cinch it down soooo tight to get his heel to stay seated it makes me nervous

that either I'm doing something wrong or his foot is wrong although my logical

mind says it's all OK and stop worrying about it. Yesterday I bought him some

different socks. I sat down on the floor in Walmart trying on various socks

with his FAB. Got a lot of strange (and pity) looks from people going by but

whatever, i wanted to find the best sock for his foot and shoe. They seem

better than what I had at any rate.

s.

P/M's (oops, real post this time)

's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off getting new

ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue again. This pair has been

excellent. They started cracking in the rubber in the back of the heel about 5

months ago. Well now, not only has the crack turned into a complete large hole,

but another spot (in the same heel) has also cracked now and it is only being

held together by the leather. Last night, I finally came to the conclusion I

need to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so broken in and just right,

I hate getting new ones. Her toes are over the edge in the front too.

Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering what these are

going to look like. Because is older (not as old as Darbi), I am

wondering which shoes will make for . I need to call him and see what

he decides I guess.

Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar isn't bent.

Is anyone elses?

and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

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[Guest guest]

It's funny you mention this, because I'm having the same concerns all over again

since we received Lily's newest pair of shoes for the P/M FAB last week. The

rubber

in the back of both shoes on her older pair just disenegrated in the span of a

day.

She was ready for a new pair anyway - toes getting near the edge. (Kudos to

& co again - did a fantastic job getting us the new pair quickly!!)

It was obvious in her old pair that her heel was well seated. This new pair

is big enough that it can be hard to reassure myself that her heel is really

down,

partly because her heel is definitely smaller than the back of the shoes-there

is

so much room back there. I'm cinching them super tight. Still makes me

nervous

a bit.

Kim

Lily, 3/28/05, lcf, P/M FAB 16 hours/day

number23 wrote:

I hadn't thought about it in those terms but you're right. The older foot is

shaped a lot differently.

Garrison has been in his 1st pair here about a month now I think. I'm still

nervous about it, always micro analyzing is his heel in there OK. I have to

cinch it down soooo tight to get his heel to stay seated it makes me nervous

that either I'm doing something wrong or his foot is wrong although my logical

mind says it's all OK and stop worrying about it. Yesterday I bought him some

different socks. I sat down on the floor in Walmart trying on various socks

with his FAB. Got a lot of strange (and pity) looks from people going by but

whatever, i wanted to find the best sock for his foot and shoe. They seem

better than what I had at any rate.

s.

P/M's (oops, real post this time)

's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off getting new

ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue again. This pair has been

excellent. They started cracking in the rubber in the back of the heel about 5

months ago. Well now, not only has the crack turned into a complete large hole,

but another spot (in the same heel) has also cracked now and it is only being

held together by the leather. Last night, I finally came to the conclusion I

need to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so broken in and just right,

I hate getting new ones. Her toes are over the edge in the front too.

Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering what these are

going to look like. Because is older (not as old as Darbi), I am

wondering which shoes will make for . I need to call him and see what

he decides I guess.

Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar isn't bent.

Is anyone elses?

and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

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[Guest guest]

ee, I got some socks from Walmart too - the ones where the toe seam is on

the outside. The socks aren't very thick and I really like the way they work

with the brace. I can't for the life of me remember what the brand was called

but they came in a 6-pack and it said on the package something about the

comfortable toe seam. These have worked the best for Marcus and I never have to

worry about the darn toe seam. And since they're not very thick it makes me feel

better putting socks on him in this 100+ degree weather here in Arizona.

number23 wrote: I hadn't thought about it in those

terms but you're right. The older foot is shaped a lot differently.

Garrison has been in his 1st pair here about a month now I think. I'm still

nervous about it, always micro analyzing is his heel in there OK. I have to

cinch it down soooo tight to get his heel to stay seated it makes me nervous

that either I'm doing something wrong or his foot is wrong although my logical

mind says it's all OK and stop worrying about it. Yesterday I bought him some

different socks. I sat down on the floor in Walmart trying on various socks

with his FAB. Got a lot of strange (and pity) looks from people going by but

whatever, i wanted to find the best sock for his foot and shoe. They seem

better than what I had at any rate.

s.

P/M's (oops, real post this time)

's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off getting new

ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue again. This pair has been

excellent. They started cracking in the rubber in the back of the heel about 5

months ago. Well now, not only has the crack turned into a complete large hole,

but another spot (in the same heel) has also cracked now and it is only being

held together by the leather. Last night, I finally came to the conclusion I

need to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so broken in and just right,

I hate getting new ones. Her toes are over the edge in the front too.

Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering what these are

going to look like. Because is older (not as old as Darbi), I am

wondering which shoes will make for . I need to call him and see what

he decides I guess.

Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar isn't bent.

Is anyone elses?

and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

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[Guest guest]

Kim,

Try this: when you put the shoes on, open them

up wide and lie her foot into them with it

pointed (plantar flexed - opposite of

dorsiflexed) and with it plantar flexed, push her

deeply into the heel pocket. Then, while holding

tight fold the tongue over the top tightly and

hold it stationary (tight) and then apply the

middle strap. At this point, you can then

dorsiflex her a bit and do up the other straps.

This should press her into the back a bit

more. The shoes are so forgiving that they bend

nicely in the heel when you plantar flex and pop

right back into shape once the foot is in. Pull

up on the rubber in the back should it buckle a

bit, this will help tighten the heel area.

LMK how this works, she's still little so while

this works well for us it may not for you as well but I think it will.

Kori

At 09:31 AM 5/17/2006, you wrote:

>It's funny you mention this, because I'm having

>the same concerns all over again

> since we received Lily's newest pair of shoes

> for the P/M FAB last week. The rubber

> in the back of both shoes on her older pair

> just disenegrated in the span of a day.

> She was ready for a new pair anyway - toes

> getting near the edge. (Kudos to

> & co again - did a fantastic job getting us the new pair quickly!!)

>

> It was obvious in her old pair that her heel

> was well seated. This new pair

> is big enough that it can be hard to reassure

> myself that her heel is really down,

> partly because her heel is definitely smaller

> than the back of the shoes-there is

> so much room back there. I'm cinching them

> super tight. Still makes me nervous

> a bit.

>

> Kim

> Lily, 3/28/05, lcf, P/M FAB 16 hours/day

>

>

>number23 wrote:

> I hadn't thought about it in those terms but

> you're right. The older foot is shaped a lot differently.

>

>Garrison has been in his 1st pair here about a

>month now I think. I'm still nervous about it,

>always micro analyzing is his heel in there

>OK. I have to cinch it down soooo tight to get

>his heel to stay seated it makes me nervous that

>either I'm doing something wrong or his foot is

>wrong although my logical mind says it's all OK

>and stop worrying about it. Yesterday I bought

>him some different socks. I sat down on the

>floor in Walmart trying on various socks with

>his FAB. Got a lot of strange (and pity) looks

>from people going by but whatever, i wanted to

>find the best sock for his foot and shoe. They

>seem better than what I had at any rate.

>

>s.

> P/M's (oops, real post this time)

>

>

> 's P/M's are literally falling

> apart. I keep putting off getting new ones

> because I am afraid of that whole blister issue

> again. This pair has been excellent. They

> started cracking in the rubber in the back of

> the heel about 5 months ago. Well now, not

> only has the crack turned into a complete large

> hole, but another spot (in the same heel) has

> also cracked now and it is only being held

> together by the leather. Last night, I finally

> came to the conclusion I need to get a new

> pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so broken in

> and just right, I hate getting new ones. Her

> toes are over the edge in the front too.

>

> Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi

> yet? I am wondering what these are going to

> look like. Because is older (not as old

> as Darbi), I am wondering which shoes will

> make for . I need to call him and see what he decides I guess.

>

> Also, reading 's post about the

> bent bar, the P/M bar isn't bent. Is anyone elses?

>

> and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

>

> ---------------------------------

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

[Guest guest]

ee,

Now what could you possibly be doing wrong? You are an expert at

this! Remember that it takes a while for the heel to really come down

all the way. The heel bone itself doesn't really fully descend until

after they are walking for a while or even later in some kids. I'm no

PM expert by any means, but I would think that until they start

bearing some weight that it would definitely still be up a little bit.

Double check his dorsiflexion and if it is good, I would say you are

A-Okay.

I have to laugh, not at you, but with you, picturing you sitting on

the floor in Walmart trying socks on him. I think it is cute, and

smart too! Why buy socks, get them home and then find out that they

don't work?

Hope the socks work out well, and stop worrying!

> I've gone through (or am currently in the process of

using) four pair of shoes now between the two boys and I

haven't had any blister issues. I'm thinking it may have been one of

those fluke things that your had problems. Anyway, I hope you're next

pair is smooth sailing for you all!

>

> s.

> P/M's (oops, real post this time)

>

>

> 's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off

getting new ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue

again. This pair has been excellent. They started cracking in the

rubber in the back of the heel about 5 months ago. Well now, not only

has the crack turned into a complete large hole, but another spot (in

the same heel) has also cracked now and it is only being held together

by the leather. Last night, I finally came to the conclusion I need

to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so broken in and just

right, I hate getting new ones. Her toes are over the edge in the

front too.

>

> Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering

what these are going to look like. Because is older (not as old

as Darbi), I am wondering which shoes will make for . I

need to call him and see what he decides I guess.

>

> Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar

isn't bent. Is anyone elses?

>

> and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

>

> ---------------------------------

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on

Yahoo! FareChase

>

>

[Guest guest]

I've been taking advise I heard from someone on here to turn the sock wrong

side out anyway, so the foot doesn't get all those weird fuzzy indentations on

it from the sock and it actually seems to help avoid redness on his foot.

what I bought (after I dug the pack out of the garbage under the empty ice cream

box and dirty diapers, eewww) is Child Of Mine brand, says From The Makers of

s. It was an 8 pack size 0 -6 months....... OK, I thought there would be

more of an identifying number or name but there isn't. These are actually

pretty thick but I wanted thick until the shoes break in well and he adjusts to

everything.

I don't like the no-slip socks, personally, because those no-slip rubber parts

seem to me like it would be like having a rock in your shoe. And when I put

one of them on him wrong-side-out, he had major dents from those.

s.

Re: P/M's (oops, real post this time)

ee, I got some socks from Walmart too - the ones where the toe seam is on

the outside.

[Guest guest]

Thanks . Oh hey the folks at our Wal-mart are used to seeing this freaky

woman and her kids trying crap on! LOL! I mean I'll stip their shirt right

there by the rack to try one on! Or when they're little do the pants right there

too. Man, dragging kids to a changing room is a pain in the butt.

His dorsiflex is fantastic! When Dr. P said he didn't need the tenotomy I

expected less flex than Everett has (with tenotomy) but Garrison's feet, wow!

The tops of his feet can practically touch his shin bones.

s.

ee,

Now what could you possibly be doing wrong? You are an expert at

this! Remember that it takes a while for the heel to really come down

all the way. The heel bone itself doesn't really fully descend until

after they are walking for a while or even later in some kids. I'm no

PM expert by any means, but I would think that until they start

bearing some weight that it would definitely still be up a little bit.

Double check his dorsiflexion and if it is good, I would say you are

A-Okay.

I have to laugh, not at you, but with you, picturing you sitting on

the floor in Walmart trying socks on him. I think it is cute, and

smart too! Why buy socks, get them home and then find out that they

don't work?

Hope the socks work out well, and stop worrying!

> I've gone through (or am currently in the process of

using) four pair of shoes now between the two boys and I

haven't had any blister issues. I'm thinking it may have been one of

those fluke things that your had problems. Anyway, I hope you're next

pair is smooth sailing for you all!

>

> s.

> P/M's (oops, real post this time)

>

>

> 's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off

getting new ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue

again. This pair has been excellent. They started cracking in the

rubber in the back of the heel about 5 months ago. Well now, not only

has the crack turned into a complete large hole, but another spot (in

the same heel) has also cracked now and it is only being held together

by the leather. Last night, I finally came to the conclusion I need

to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so broken in and just

right, I hate getting new ones. Her toes are over the edge in the

front too.

>

> Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering

what these are going to look like. Because is older (not as old

as Darbi), I am wondering which shoes will make for . I

need to call him and see what he decides I guess.

>

> Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar

isn't bent. Is anyone elses?

>

> and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

>

> ---------------------------------

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on

Yahoo! FareChase

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marcus' heel doesn't come all the way down either. There's still the smallest

gap between the heel and shoe. It was higher up when we first started and it

took quite a while to get it even to this level.

wrote: ee,

Now what could you possibly be doing wrong? You are an expert at

this! Remember that it takes a while for the heel to really come down

all the way. The heel bone itself doesn't really fully descend until

after they are walking for a while or even later in some kids. I'm no

PM expert by any means, but I would think that until they start

bearing some weight that it would definitely still be up a little bit.

Double check his dorsiflexion and if it is good, I would say you are

A-Okay.

I have to laugh, not at you, but with you, picturing you sitting on

the floor in Walmart trying socks on him. I think it is cute, and

smart too! Why buy socks, get them home and then find out that they

don't work?

Hope the socks work out well, and stop worrying!

> I've gone through (or am currently in the process of

using) four pair of shoes now between the two boys and I

haven't had any blister issues. I'm thinking it may have been one of

those fluke things that your had problems. Anyway, I hope you're next

pair is smooth sailing for you all!

>

> s.

> P/M's (oops, real post this time)

>

>

> 's P/M's are literally falling apart. I keep putting off

getting new ones because I am afraid of that whole blister issue

again. This pair has been excellent. They started cracking in the

rubber in the back of the heel about 5 months ago. Well now, not only

has the crack turned into a complete large hole, but another spot (in

the same heel) has also cracked now and it is only being held together

by the leather. Last night, I finally came to the conclusion I need

to get a new pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so broken in and just

right, I hate getting new ones. Her toes are over the edge in the

front too.

>

> Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi yet? I am wondering

what these are going to look like. Because is older (not as old

as Darbi), I am wondering which shoes will make for . I

need to call him and see what he decides I guess.

>

> Also, reading 's post about the bent bar, the P/M bar

isn't bent. Is anyone elses?

>

> and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

>

> ---------------------------------

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel in one click on

Yahoo! FareChase

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, I went to Walmart today (it seems like I live there) and I looked at the

brand of socks. They're called KidConnection. They come in 6 and 8-packs. Like

I said, though, they are on the thin side but they really help me get a good

idea where his heel is.

number23 wrote: I've been taking advise I heard from

someone on here to turn the sock wrong side out anyway, so the foot doesn't get

all those weird fuzzy indentations on it from the sock and it actually seems to

help avoid redness on his foot.

what I bought (after I dug the pack out of the garbage under the empty ice cream

box and dirty diapers, eewww) is Child Of Mine brand, says From The Makers of

s. It was an 8 pack size 0 -6 months....... OK, I thought there would be

more of an identifying number or name but there isn't. These are actually

pretty thick but I wanted thick until the shoes break in well and he adjusts to

everything.

I don't like the no-slip socks, personally, because those no-slip rubber parts

seem to me like it would be like having a rock in your shoe. And when I put

one of them on him wrong-side-out, he had major dents from those.

s.

Re: P/M's (oops, real post this time)

ee, I got some socks from Walmart too - the ones where the toe seam is on

the outside.

[Guest guest]

Hey ee-

We still turn david's socks inside out-even when he isn't in his

shoes. His one orthotist laughed at us when we did this in his office

(he's a young guy). He told me that whatever I need to do to make

myself feel better-go ahead and do it. But he doubted that turning

the socks inside out really prevented anything. So I send my kid to

daycare each day with his socks inside out-no teacher has asked me

why yet. I believe they prevent the identations too!! Hopefully, I

will outgrow this habit of the sock thing once david is out ofhis

fab-hate for him to go to college with his socks inside out and have

his roommate ask him why!!!

Target also has a " from themakers of carters " line too that has some

really nice socks. We have been happy so far with both these brands!!

take care,

kathleen

mom to david bcf fab 12/7

>

> I've been taking advise I heard from someone on here to turn the

sock wrong side out anyway, so the foot doesn't get all those weird

fuzzy indentations on it from the sock and it actually seems to help

avoid redness on his foot.

>

> what I bought (after I dug the pack out of the garbage under the

empty ice cream box and dirty diapers, eewww) is Child Of Mine

brand, says From The Makers of s. It was an 8 pack size 0 -6

months....... OK, I thought there would be more of an identifying

number or name but there isn't. These are actually pretty thick

but I wanted thick until the shoes break in well and he adjusts to

everything.

>

> I don't like the no-slip socks, personally, because those no-slip

rubber parts seem to me like it would be like having a rock in your

shoe. And when I put one of them on him wrong-side-out, he had

major dents from those.

>

> s.

> Re: P/M's (oops, real post this

time)

>

>

> ee, I got some socks from Walmart too - the ones where the

toe seam is on the outside.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just got Aleksander some nice tube socks that are seamless (and

without grippers). They are really thin too. I have found they

work better now that we have the s than the Old Navy socks.

He wears his Old Navy socks in the day though. I like the grips

because they help keep him from slipping on the floors in the house

that aren't carpeted.

> >

> > I've been taking advise I heard from someone on here to turn

the

> sock wrong side out anyway, so the foot doesn't get all those

weird

> fuzzy indentations on it from the sock and it actually seems to

help

> avoid redness on his foot.

> >

> > what I bought (after I dug the pack out of the garbage under the

> empty ice cream box and dirty diapers, eewww) is Child Of Mine

> brand, says From The Makers of s. It was an 8 pack size 0 -

6

> months....... OK, I thought there would be more of an identifying

> number or name but there isn't. These are actually pretty thick

> but I wanted thick until the shoes break in well and he adjusts to

> everything.

> >

> > I don't like the no-slip socks, personally, because those no-

slip

> rubber parts seem to me like it would be like having a rock in

your

> shoe. And when I put one of them on him wrong-side-out, he had

> major dents from those.

> >

> > s.

> > Re: P/M's (oops, real post this

> time)

> >

> >

> > ee, I got some socks from Walmart too - the ones where

the

> toe seam is on the outside.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tips, Kori! I recall you saying the plantar

flexion worked for Darbi. I had just forgotten. I'll try it

tonight & let you know how it goes.

Kim

frogabog wrote:

Kim,

Try this: when you put the shoes on, open them

up wide and lie her foot into them with it

pointed (plantar flexed - opposite of

dorsiflexed) and with it plantar flexed, push her

deeply into the heel pocket. Then, while holding

tight fold the tongue over the top tightly and

hold it stationary (tight) and then apply the

middle strap. At this point, you can then

dorsiflex her a bit and do up the other straps.

This should press her into the back a bit

more. The shoes are so forgiving that they bend

nicely in the heel when you plantar flex and pop

right back into shape once the foot is in. Pull

up on the rubber in the back should it buckle a

bit, this will help tighten the heel area.

LMK how this works, she's still little so while

this works well for us it may not for you as well but I think it will.

Kori

At 09:31 AM 5/17/2006, you wrote:

>It's funny you mention this, because I'm having

>the same concerns all over again

> since we received Lily's newest pair of shoes

> for the P/M FAB last week. The rubber

> in the back of both shoes on her older pair

> just disenegrated in the span of a day.

> She was ready for a new pair anyway - toes

> getting near the edge. (Kudos to

> & co again - did a fantastic job getting us the new pair quickly!!)

>

> It was obvious in her old pair that her heel

> was well seated. This new pair

> is big enough that it can be hard to reassure

> myself that her heel is really down,

> partly because her heel is definitely smaller

> than the back of the shoes-there is

> so much room back there. I'm cinching them

> super tight. Still makes me nervous

> a bit.

>

> Kim

> Lily, 3/28/05, lcf, P/M FAB 16 hours/day

>

>

>number23 wrote:

> I hadn't thought about it in those terms but

> you're right. The older foot is shaped a lot differently.

>

>Garrison has been in his 1st pair here about a

>month now I think. I'm still nervous about it,

>always micro analyzing is his heel in there

>OK. I have to cinch it down soooo tight to get

>his heel to stay seated it makes me nervous that

>either I'm doing something wrong or his foot is

>wrong although my logical mind says it's all OK

>and stop worrying about it. Yesterday I bought

>him some different socks. I sat down on the

>floor in Walmart trying on various socks with

>his FAB. Got a lot of strange (and pity) looks

>from people going by but whatever, i wanted to

>find the best sock for his foot and shoe. They

>seem better than what I had at any rate.

>

>s.

> P/M's (oops, real post this time)

>

>

> 's P/M's are literally falling

> apart. I keep putting off getting new ones

> because I am afraid of that whole blister issue

> again. This pair has been excellent. They

> started cracking in the rubber in the back of

> the heel about 5 months ago. Well now, not

> only has the crack turned into a complete large

> hole, but another spot (in the same heel) has

> also cracked now and it is only being held

> together by the leather. Last night, I finally

> came to the conclusion I need to get a new

> pair! Gee, ya think!! These are so broken in

> and just right, I hate getting new ones. Her

> toes are over the edge in the front too.

>

> Kori, have you got your pair for Darbi

> yet? I am wondering what these are going to

> look like. Because is older (not as old

> as Darbi), I am wondering which shoes will

> make for . I need to call him and see what he decides I guess.

>

> Also, reading 's post about the

> bent bar, the P/M bar isn't bent. Is anyone elses?

>

> and 3-2-04, P/M's 12-14 hrs

>

> ---------------------------------

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Get amazing travel prices for air and hotel

> in one click on Yahoo! FareChase

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm glad they are working for you! Just goes to show there is no ONE right

answer for every situation. Garrison wore his new (thick) socks all night and

didn't have red marks across his foot like he did before.

s.

Re: P/M's (oops, real post this time)

ee, I got some socks from Walmart too - the ones where the toe seam is

on the outside.

[Guest guest]

I see a big difference doing it wrong side out, wish I would have known that for

Everett earlier.

s.

Re: P/M's (oops, real post this

time)

>

>

> ee, I got some socks from Walmart too - the ones where the

toe seam is on the outside.

>

>