Re: bitchin' and moanin'

[Guest guest]

MIchelle,

I was almost 8 weeks post-op before I could eat without hurting or getting

sick. Then all of a sudden it changed. The only thing that bothers me so far

with what I have tried eating has been steak and beef (like a roast).

Patience is what I was told when I thought I would never get to eat normal

again.

Hang in there..

Sheri

9/28/01

Dr Herron

[Guest guest]

,

How long ago was your surgery? I have the same problem off and on

and lately it has been on. Last night was a good example as I tried

to eat a beef and noodle dish. I ate all the beef and a few

noodles. Within 10 minutes I got that pain in my stomach and was

trying everything to get the gas to come out. In about an hour, I

was vomiting everything I had for dinner. I know I didn't eat too

much. Seems like I have this problem almost every evening at

dinner. Either I just feel awful for a while, or I feel really awful

and then vomit. The only food that seems to go down well is raw

veggies or eggs. Weird. When I mentioned the problem to my doctor,

he started talking about some awful test and I decided to wait and

see how things are at my 6 month check (next month).

I guess I can't offer any advice, I just wanted to complain along

with you.

Kathy M. - big whine too!

DS 7/19/01

213 pre-op

135 today

[Guest guest]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

NO! NO! NO!

Non! Nullus! Neen! Nain!

It is December and you had surgery in July! This can't be happening

to you. You must be thinking of someone else. This isn't right!

Best,

Dr. Gagner, NYC

lap BPD/DS

11-20-01

highest weight: 309

surgery weight: 293

current weight: 271

> ,

>

> How long ago was your surgery? I have the same problem off and on

> and lately it has been on. Last night was a good example as I

tried

> to eat a beef and noodle dish. I ate all the beef and a few

> noodles. Within 10 minutes I got that pain in my stomach and was

> trying everything to get the gas to come out. In about an hour, I

> was vomiting everything I had for dinner. I know I didn't eat too

> much. Seems like I have this problem almost every evening at

> dinner. Either I just feel awful for a while, or I feel really

awful

> and then vomit. The only food that seems to go down well is raw

> veggies or eggs. Weird. When I mentioned the problem to my

doctor,

> he started talking about some awful test and I decided to wait and

> see how things are at my 6 month check (next month).

>

> I guess I can't offer any advice, I just wanted to complain along

> with you.

>

> Kathy M. - big whine too!

> DS 7/19/01

> 213 pre-op

> 135 today

[Guest guest]

Tell this to Kathy, too, my dear!

She must have gotten her surgery dates mixed up! It shouldn't still

be going on for her! And what's this creepy test she's talking

about? Ohhhhhhhhh!

> MIchelle,

> I was almost 8 weeks post-op before I could eat without hurting

or getting

> sick. Then all of a sudden it changed. The only thing that bothers

me so far

> with what I have tried eating has been steak and beef (like a

roast).

> Patience is what I was told when I thought I would never get to

eat normal

> again.

> Hang in there..

>

> Sheri

> 9/28/01

> Dr Herron

[Guest guest]

my Belle,

My surgery was 7/24. Just got home from lunch and blew chunks in the

parking lot. It happens. It decreases with time I have only had 3

episodes of puking in the last 2 weeks. Its a trade off a little

puking in order to be able to enjoy life again. Good trade IMHO.

Best to you and your husband.

[Guest guest]

> Tell this to Kathy, too, my dear!

>

> She must have gotten her surgery dates mixed up! It shouldn't

still

> be going on for her! And what's this creepy test she's talking

> about? Ohhhhhhhhh!

No, I didn't get my dates mixed up. It has been 5 months and I still

have bad days. I guess I can't say I feel bad with *everything* I

eat, but some days it feels that way. I can go for several days

without any problems, then I go for a week with almost every meal

bothering me. Of course I am also losing weight at too fast of a

rate, so I guess this is all a trade off. Even with all the

troubles, I would still do the surgery again.

As for the creepy test, it had something to do with drinking yucky

stuff and a camera going down my throat and inspecting my digestive

system. It wasn't an upper GI, but I can't remember what the name of

it was. Whatever it was, I certainly don't feel bad enough to have

something that awful done.

Kathy M.

DS 7/19/01

213 pre-op

135 today

[Guest guest]

O.K. now you guys are starting to weird me out. Is this long term

stuff? E (IL)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/11/01 8:04:00 PM, duodenalswitch writes:

<<

I hear you there, woman! I REALLY miss chugging water, too. Thanks

for easing my mind. I am such a paranoid baby.

>>

: I'm SURe you'll be able to chug water down again... I don't know

when I was first able to do this, but I do now without thinking twice!

I'm really sorry to hear about your stomach sensitivity... I wish I could

help you out but I didn't experience that at all post-op (except on occasion

when I ate too much or something it was I ate that disagreed with me). I

think it is due to the stomach sutures healing. Some friends of mine who had

the surgery before and after me experienced this pretty badly -- they

couldn't eat or felt nauseous when eating and/or threw up. It's a REAL

BUMMER, I'm sure. But, I'm equally SURE that it isn't a permanant situation!

:)

Perhaps the temperature of the food/drink is exacerbating things? Have you

noticed it particularly with cold items over warm ones? I know that ginger

tea is supposed to be a natural anti-nausea herb... It may also work for

sensitive tummies?

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into a 14! LOL

[Guest guest]

,

i ate my FIRST meal last night and it stayed down and didn't give me

indigestion from hell!!! yeeee hawwww.... My doc wrote me a

prescription of some stuff called protonix. The over the counter

pepcid AC worked once but not again. I'm hoping this one keeps

working. Please try it. No pain, and a real meal, girlfriend. I am so

excited. Now, I am worrying that I can eat too much! laughing. Hubby

assures me that 6 spoons is not too much.

Hugs,

Theresa who is also sick of being too scared to eat!

> My stomach hurts any time I eat or drink something and I'm so

> T-I-R-E-D of it! Make it go away! Sometimes it's worse than other

> times, but it always happens no matter if it's water, pasta, or

> Indian food. <hear Homer Simpson's voice: mmmmm, Indian food>

It's

> my old " sinking feeling " again (as though it ever left) and feels

> like a cramping sensation.

>

> WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY?!

>

> I want to want to eat, not dread it. I MISS EATING NORMALLY!

>

> :{

> (who is whining so loudly right now that you should all be grateful

> that you only have to read it and not hear it!)

[Guest guest]

No! Again, I say, no!

I am closing my ears because you and Kathy must be wrong about your

surgery dates. This isn't supposed to happen. From now on, just

tell me that everything's gonna be OK. It's too early post-op for me

to be considering the possible, ugly, long-term realities.

THIS SHIT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN WITH THE RNY! I SIGNED UP FOR

PROBLEMS WITH THE LOWER HALF, NOT THE UPPER HALF OF MY BODY!

Love ya ,

> my Belle,

>

> My surgery was 7/24. Just got home from lunch and blew chunks in

the

> parking lot. It happens. It decreases with time I have only had 3

> episodes of puking in the last 2 weeks. Its a trade off a little

> puking in order to be able to enjoy life again. Good trade IMHO.

>

> Best to you and your husband.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah!! HELLO?! I'm dying over here! Like I said, I didn't sign up

for problems with the upper half!

:{

> O.K. now you guys are starting to weird me out. Is this long term

> stuff? E (IL)

[Guest guest]

OK, Theresa. I'm gonna check into the Protonix. Do you think that

this is long-term crap we're gonna have to deal with? I'm getting

nervous with all these posts from people with problems who had

surgeries in the summer.

Love,

> > My stomach hurts any time I eat or drink something and I'm so

> > T-I-R-E-D of it! Make it go away! Sometimes it's worse than

other

> > times, but it always happens no matter if it's water, pasta, or

> > Indian food. <hear Homer Simpson's voice: mmmmm, Indian food>

> It's

> > my old " sinking feeling " again (as though it ever left) and feels

> > like a cramping sensation.

> >

> > WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY?!

> >

> > I want to want to eat, not dread it. I MISS EATING NORMALLY!

> >

> > :{

> > (who is whining so loudly right now that you should all be

grateful

> > that you only have to read it and not hear it!)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/11/01 7:07:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!, mkf5t@...

writes:

<< Tell this to Kathy, too, my dear!

She must have gotten her surgery dates mixed up! It shouldn't still

be going on for her! >>

I don't want to read about things like that so far post-op. Tell me it

isn't so, and that it won't happen to me.

Sheri

[Guest guest]

--

I can't remember how many weeks post you are. But the stomach was

essentially cut in half--a nice long seam all the way down it.

There is a fair amount of swelling of those tissues that goes along

with that. Maybe go to just soft foods--instant mashed potatoes with

made with water seemed to go down good.

It seems that at about week 5 or six the tummy swelling went way down

and foods that felt like rocks before didn't anymore.

Pammi

[Guest guest]

> No! Again, I say, no!

,

Don't worry, I think I made it sound worse than it really is. I

almost never have any gas or BM problems. I also ate everything

today without any problems. Mostly I have to be careful with

portions. If I eat too much, it hurts. If I eat too fast, it hurts

(from the excess air). I remember how it felt to eat in the first 6

weeks post-op and this is much different. At that point even 2 bites

of food hurt. Now if I am careful I generally don't have any pain.

It does get a whole lot better at 6 weeks post-op. As of now I eat

anything I want and sometimes I pay for that. But once again I don't

have the gas or BM problems other people have.

If you are early post-op, IT DOES GET LOTS BETTER! From what I

understand, it takes from 6 months to a year to get to full

recovery. I am at 5 months now and I am counting on being much

better at my one year mark. People I have met in my local group have

all said it is almost normal at one year. That may sound like a long

time right now, but let me tell you that the last 5 months have flown

by for me. Just take it one day at a time and know that each day it

does get a little better. Somedays we have setbacks, but in general

we only get better.

Kathy M.

DS 7/19/01

213 pre-op

135 today

[Guest guest]

,

Keep in mind that I saw posts from 3 people that are still having vomiting

issues more a few months post-op. Think about the several hundred people that

had DS surgery over the summer. Plus, there may also be extenuating

circumstances, ie, strong gag reflex, undiagnosed allergies, even maybe just

eating too fast still. You never know. The majority of people don't have issues

and even those people that have them longer than everyone else may not have them

forever. For instance, I know I vomit when I try to chug water just after I eat

because I'm thirsty. I know I don't have room, but I'm thirsty, so I try it

anyway. You'd think after the first time I'd realise that I should drink slower

so I don't throw everything up, but no, I did it a second time. Hopefully, I'll

deal with my thirst and won't do it a 3rd time, but sometimes we have a hard

time breaking habits. I used to love just downing an entire glass of water when

I was thirsty! At less than 1 month post-op, I think percentage wise I would

assume you're not going to have problems, rather than you will!

Don't worry, be happy now!

Anita

11/08/01 Dr Keshishian

11/08/01 320lbs

12/07/01 294lbs

P.S I can finally drink water and coffee again! (They both hurt if I try to

drink too fast, but they're great when I sip..I couldn't even sip them before!)

> > > My stomach hurts any time I eat or drink something and I'm so

> > > T-I-R-E-D of it! Make it go away! Sometimes it's worse than

> other

> > > times, but it always happens no matter if it's water, pasta, or

> > > Indian food. <hear Homer Simpson's voice: mmmmm, Indian food>

> > It's

> > > my old " sinking feeling " again (as though it ever left) and feels

> > > like a cramping sensation.

> > >

> > > WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY?!

> > >

> > > I want to want to eat, not dread it. I MISS EATING NORMALLY!

> > >

> > > :{

> > > (who is whining so loudly right now that you should all be

> grateful

> > > that you only have to read it and not hear it!)

[Guest guest]

Sis,

I absolutely refuse to remain miserable. Either I am gonna experiment

with everything that will make me feel better or

I am gonna convince myself I love upchucking! How's that for

intention? laughing

Hugs,

Theresa

> > > My stomach hurts any time I eat or drink something and I'm so

> > > T-I-R-E-D of it! Make it go away! Sometimes it's worse than

> other

> > > times, but it always happens no matter if it's water, pasta, or

> > > Indian food. <hear Homer Simpson's voice: mmmmm, Indian

food>

> > It's

> > > my old " sinking feeling " again (as though it ever left) and

feels

> > > like a cramping sensation.

> > >

> > > WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY?!

> > >

> > > I want to want to eat, not dread it. I MISS EATING NORMALLY!

> > >

> > > :{

> > > (who is whining so loudly right now that you should all be

> grateful

> > > that you only have to read it and not hear it!)

[Guest guest]

Ahhh, Kathy, you're a sweetheart!

Feed me what I want to hear, baby! That's all I need! ;}

All best,

(who is, indeed, freaking out!)

> > No! Again, I say, no!

>

> ,

>

> Don't worry, I think I made it sound worse than it really is. I

> almost never have any gas or BM problems. I also ate everything

> today without any problems. Mostly I have to be careful with

> portions. If I eat too much, it hurts. If I eat too fast, it

hurts

> (from the excess air). I remember how it felt to eat in the first

6

> weeks post-op and this is much different. At that point even 2

bites

> of food hurt. Now if I am careful I generally don't have any

pain.

> It does get a whole lot better at 6 weeks post-op. As of now I eat

> anything I want and sometimes I pay for that. But once again I

don't

> have the gas or BM problems other people have.

>

> If you are early post-op, IT DOES GET LOTS BETTER! From what I

> understand, it takes from 6 months to a year to get to full

> recovery. I am at 5 months now and I am counting on being much

> better at my one year mark. People I have met in my local group

have

> all said it is almost normal at one year. That may sound like a

long

> time right now, but let me tell you that the last 5 months have

flown

> by for me. Just take it one day at a time and know that each day

it

> does get a little better. Somedays we have setbacks, but in

general

> we only get better.

>

> Kathy M.

> DS 7/19/01

> 213 pre-op

> 135 today

[Guest guest]

Yeah, Anita!

I hear you there, woman! I REALLY miss chugging water, too. Thanks

for easing my mind. I am such a paranoid baby.

Love,

> > > > My stomach hurts any time I eat or drink something and I'm so

> > > > T-I-R-E-D of it! Make it go away! Sometimes it's worse than

> > other

> > > > times, but it always happens no matter if it's water, pasta,

or

> > > > Indian food. <hear Homer Simpson's voice: mmmmm, Indian

food>

> > > It's

> > > > my old " sinking feeling " again (as though it ever left) and

feels

> > > > like a cramping sensation.

> > > >

> > > > WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY?!

> > > >

> > > > I want to want to eat, not dread it. I MISS EATING NORMALLY!

> > > >

> > > > :{

> > > > (who is whining so loudly right now that you should all be

> > grateful

> > > > that you only have to read it and not hear it!)

[Guest guest]

Good attitude, my dear! Pass some of that on to me, will ya? I'm

losing my sense of humor!

> > > > My stomach hurts any time I eat or drink something and I'm so

> > > > T-I-R-E-D of it! Make it go away! Sometimes it's worse than

> > other

> > > > times, but it always happens no matter if it's water, pasta,

or

> > > > Indian food. <hear Homer Simpson's voice: mmmmm, Indian

> food>

> > > It's

> > > > my old " sinking feeling " again (as though it ever left) and

> feels

> > > > like a cramping sensation.

> > > >

> > > > WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY?!

> > > >

> > > > I want to want to eat, not dread it. I MISS EATING NORMALLY!

> > > >

> > > > :{

> > > > (who is whining so loudly right now that you should all be

> > grateful

> > > > that you only have to read it and not hear it!)

[Guest guest]

I had surgery in June I will be 6 months post op in another 2 weeks....As far

as barfing is concerned...My barfing is limited to a few isolated episodes that

had something to do with the yucky flintstone vitamins I was trying to

take...Now in the morning if I take my vitamins to quickly I will feel the urge

to barf but I havent yet! & Theresa, hang in there it does get

better....I had straight diarhea for 5 weeks I mean morning, noon and night non

stop I would be sleeping and would wake up in a panic because it was 3 am and I

had to go...Everything gave me the runs including water... I didnt think it

would ever end and I cursed the DS and I cursed myself for having the DS and on

the 5th week mark baada bing baada boom runs over...Soon you two will shaking

your money makers and doing the DS dance

Lisbeth

timarie55 wrote: Sis,

I absolutely refuse to remain miserable. Either I am gonna experiment

with everything that will make me feel better or

I am gonna convince myself I love upchucking! How's that for

intention? laughing

Hugs,

Theresa

> > > My stomach hurts any time I eat or drink something and I'm so

> > > T-I-R-E-D of it! Make it go away! Sometimes it's worse than

> other

> > > times, but it always happens no matter if it's water, pasta, or

> > > Indian food. food>

> > It's

> > > my old " sinking feeling " again (as though it ever left) and

feels

> > > like a cramping sensation.

> > >

> > > WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY?!

> > >

> > > I want to want to eat, not dread it. I MISS EATING NORMALLY!

> > >

> > > :{

> > > (who is whining so loudly right now that you should all be

> grateful

> > > that you only have to read it and not hear it!)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Lis,

Am I covered for whiplash if I start shaking my money makers?

Laughing...thanks for the encouragement!

Hugs,

Theresa

Surgery date: DS Nov. 19, 2001

Dr. Gregg Jossart

Highest weight: 293

Surgery weight: 251

Current weight: 227

Height: 5' 7.5 "

> > > > My stomach hurts any time I eat or drink something and I'm so

> > > > T-I-R-E-D of it! Make it go away! Sometimes it's worse than

> > other

> > > > times, but it always happens no matter if it's water, pasta,

or

> > > > Indian food. food>

> > > It's

> > > > my old " sinking feeling " again (as though it ever left) and

> feels

> > > > like a cramping sensation.

> > > >

> > > > WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY?!

> > > >

> > > > I want to want to eat, not dread it. I MISS EATING NORMALLY!

> > > >

> > > > :{

> > > > (who is whining so loudly right now that you should all be

> > grateful

> > > > that you only have to read it and not hear it!)

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--

>

[Guest guest]

> My stomach hurts any time I eat or drink something and I'm so

> T-I-R-E-D of it! Make it go away! Sometimes it's worse than other

> times, but it always happens no matter if it's water, pasta, or

> Indian food. <hear Homer Simpson's voice: mmmmm, Indian food>

It's

> my old " sinking feeling " again (as though it ever left) and feels

> like a cramping sensation.

>

> WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY?!

>

> I want to want to eat, not dread it. I MISS EATING NORMALLY!

>

> :{

> (who is whining so loudly right now that you should all be grateful

> that you only have to read it and not hear it!)

michelle, i am so sorry you are in that place right now, but as a

post-op that is 8 months out, i can assure you " THIS TOO SHALL PASS "

i was one of those pre-summer switches that was just miserable for

the first three months after my surgery. we live in the desert, and

i was used to drinking a minimum of 3 quarts a day of iced tea. not

gonna happen with a 2-oz post-op stomach! my metabolism got screwy

from losing so much weight so fast, so i was not able to the tolerate

the heat that i have lived in for the last 30 summers. i could not

stomach any form of protein and had a severe gag reflex (not helped

by the tubes used in surgery). l sat in my recliner and had a month-

long pity party (not helped by the fact that i was unable to take my

anti-depressants since everything i ate or drank came back up). one

afternoon, i told my hubby that i thought i had made a huge mistake

(no pun intended). he looked at me and said " well, you can always

get your intestines put back together. the stomach obviously is in a

red biohazard bag somewhere, but at least the intestines are there.

so, call dr k and ask him to reverse that part of it. while you are

doing that, i am going to run to the store and get 65 pounds of fat

(what i had lost to that point) and when i get back, tell me where

you want it. " that was the end of my pity party. that was the best

thing that my hubby (who has been a rock of support through my whole

journey) could have said or done for me. it was my turning point.

the amazing thing to me was that one day, about 4 months out, i woke

up feeling great - no more throwing up, much less gagging, and have

felt great ever since. i eat what i want, when i want (including,

but not limited to, mexican, thai, chinese, etc). i have lost 125

pounds to date, and today wore a pair of size 14 jeans - down from

barely fitting a 26-28. there are still days where i over-eat but my

stomach reminds me (just like a normal person's) that i ate too much,

and i stop. i am able to drink 4-6 oz of iced tea and take my meds

and supplements.

LIFE IS GOOD. you will get there too, it just takes some time for

your eviscerated body to recover. hang in there, and you will see

that day by day you will make improvements, and soon you will posting

to us that you put on size 14 or 16 jeans!!!

take care,

~amy c~

open ds/dr k/april 2001

300 lbs/175 lbs

[Guest guest]

*fake exasperation* You just had the DS covered and you want to be covered for

whip lash I tell you the nerve of some people.....If you want coverage start

shaking baby

Lisbeth

timarie55 wrote: Lis,

Am I covered for whiplash if I start shaking my money makers?

Laughing...thanks for the encouragement!

Hugs,

Theresa

Surgery date: DS Nov. 19, 2001

Dr. Gregg Jossart

Highest weight: 293

Surgery weight: 251

Current weight: 227

Height: 5' 7.5 "

> > > > My stomach hurts any time I eat or drink something and I'm so

> > > > T-I-R-E-D of it! Make it go away! Sometimes it's worse than

> > other

> > > > times, but it always happens no matter if it's water, pasta,

or

> > > > Indian food. food>

> > > It's

> > > > my old " sinking feeling " again (as though it ever left) and

> feels

> > > > like a cramping sensation.

> > > >

> > > > WHEN WILL IT GO AWAY?!

> > > >

> > > > I want to want to eat, not dread it. I MISS EATING NORMALLY!

> > > >

> > > > :{

> > > > (who is whining so loudly right now that you should all be

> > grateful

> > > > that you only have to read it and not hear it!)

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

--

>

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

It won't happen to you. It only happens to folks who had their

surgery on November 19th or 20th. YOu have made it through the

bermuda food triangle and are safe!

Hugs,

Theresa

> In a message dated 12/11/01 7:07:02 PM !!!First Boot!!!, mkf5t@v...

> writes:

>

> << Tell this to Kathy, too, my dear!

>

> She must have gotten her surgery dates mixed up! It shouldn't

still

> be going on for her! >>

>

> I don't want to read about things like that so far post-op. Tell

me it

> isn't so, and that it won't happen to me.

>

> Sheri