Re: post-op birth control: New birthcontrol 'patch' approved

[Guest guest]

Wow , you read my mind...I am sitting here thinking I have to make

another appointment with the Gyno to get me on some BCP...This patch sounds

interesting thanks for the link!

Lisbeth

ruisha@... wrote: Hi, everyone -- I've been looking into post-op birth

control and I really

don't know the efficacy of the pill in terms of post-op absorption... Perhaps

the 'patch' would be an effective option for post-ops, although the article

does state that it isn't as effective for those over 198 lbs (which would

mean that a majority of women couldn't use it until they have gotten past

this point and the immediate post-op period is really very crucial in terms

of increased fertility, etc.)...

http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/1728.94100?DEST=WebMD & conte

ntSRC=aolhealthnews

All the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into a 14 LOL

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[Guest guest]

Okay ladies -

I recently overheard a DS husband talking to a nurse - " She took her pill

every day, too . . . "

Apparently the pill, plus a lot of luck, will work very effectively. The

luck is actually what appears to count.

Best -

Nick

Re: post-op birth control: New birthcontrol

'patch' approved

>

> Wow , you read my mind...I am sitting here thinking I have to make

another appointment with the Gyno to get me on some BCP...This patch sounds

interesting thanks for the link!

> Lisbeth

> ruisha@... wrote: Hi, everyone -- I've been looking into post-op

birth control and I really

> don't know the efficacy of the pill in terms of post-op absorption...

Perhaps

> the 'patch' would be an effective option for post-ops, although the

article

> does state that it isn't as effective for those over 198 lbs (which would

> mean that a majority of women couldn't use it until they have gotten past

> this point and the immediate post-op period is really very crucial in

terms

> of increased fertility, etc.)...

>

>

>

http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/1728.94100?DEST=WebMD & con

te

>

> ntSRC=aolhealthnews

>

> All the best,

>

> lap ds with gallbladder removal

> January 25, 2001

> Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

>

> 10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

>

> preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into a 14 LOL

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

You are kidding? Someone please tell me Nick is kidding....I will go on BCP and

the patch and whatever else they have out there!

Lisbeth

Nick wrote: Okay ladies -

I recently overheard a DS husband talking to a nurse - " She took her pill

every day, too . . . "

Apparently the pill, plus a lot of luck, will work very effectively. The

luck is actually what appears to count.

Best -

Nick

Re: post-op birth control: New birthcontrol

'patch' approved

>

> Wow , you read my mind...I am sitting here thinking I have to make

another appointment with the Gyno to get me on some BCP...This patch sounds

interesting thanks for the link!

> Lisbeth

> ruisha@... wrote: Hi, everyone -- I've been looking into post-op

birth control and I really

> don't know the efficacy of the pill in terms of post-op absorption...

Perhaps

> the 'patch' would be an effective option for post-ops, although the

article

> does state that it isn't as effective for those over 198 lbs (which would

> mean that a majority of women couldn't use it until they have gotten past

> this point and the immediate post-op period is really very crucial in

terms

> of increased fertility, etc.)...

>

>

>

http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/1728.94100?DEST=WebMD & con

te

>

> ntSRC=aolhealthnews

>

> All the best,

>

> lap ds with gallbladder removal

> January 25, 2001

> Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

>

> 10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

>

> preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into a 14 LOL

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

This is one of those rare instances where I am being serious. The guy was

pretty much amazed by what had happened.

It may or may not have been the DS. The pill is pretty effective, but not

absolutely so.

Best-

Nick

Re: post-op birth control: New birthcontrol

> 'patch' approved

>

>

> >

> > Wow , you read my mind...I am sitting here thinking I have to make

> another appointment with the Gyno to get me on some BCP...This patch

sounds

> interesting thanks for the link!

> > Lisbeth

> > ruisha@... wrote: Hi, everyone -- I've been looking into post-op

> birth control and I really

> > don't know the efficacy of the pill in terms of post-op absorption...

> Perhaps

> > the 'patch' would be an effective option for post-ops, although the

> article

> > does state that it isn't as effective for those over 198 lbs (which

would

> > mean that a majority of women couldn't use it until they have gotten

past

> > this point and the immediate post-op period is really very crucial in

> terms

> > of increased fertility, etc.)...

> >

> >

> >

>

http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/1728.94100?DEST=WebMD & con

> te

> >

> > ntSRC=aolhealthnews

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > lap ds with gallbladder removal

> > January 25, 2001

> > Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

> >

> > 10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

> >

> > preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> > now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into a 14 LOL

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

Putting all nookie on hold until I speak to the Surgeon, Endo and Gyno....I am

going to cover all my bases before I get off first base! Thanks Nick I

appreciate the heads up!

Lisbeth

Nick wrote: This is one of those rare instances where I am

being serious. The guy was

pretty much amazed by what had happened.

It may or may not have been the DS. The pill is pretty effective, but not

absolutely so.

Best-

Nick

Re: post-op birth control: New birthcontrol

> 'patch' approved

>

>

> >

> > Wow , you read my mind...I am sitting here thinking I have to make

> another appointment with the Gyno to get me on some BCP...This patch

sounds

> interesting thanks for the link!

> > Lisbeth

> > ruisha@... wrote: Hi, everyone -- I've been looking into post-op

> birth control and I really

> > don't know the efficacy of the pill in terms of post-op absorption...

> Perhaps

> > the 'patch' would be an effective option for post-ops, although the

> article

> > does state that it isn't as effective for those over 198 lbs (which

would

> > mean that a majority of women couldn't use it until they have gotten

past

> > this point and the immediate post-op period is really very crucial in

> terms

> > of increased fertility, etc.)...

> >

> >

> >

>

http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/1728.94100?DEST=WebMD & con

> te

> >

> > ntSRC=aolhealthnews

> >

> > All the best,

> >

> > lap ds with gallbladder removal

> > January 25, 2001

> > Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

> >

> > 10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

> >

> > preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> > now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into a 14 LOL

> >

> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> Wow , you read my mind...I am sitting here thinking I have to

make another appointment with the Gyno to get me on some BCP...This

patch sounds interesting thanks for the link!

> Lisbeth

Lisbeth: I have to think of the future, too --- There's the Lunette

shot (it is a monthly shot which is basically a birth control pill in

shot form).... I just hate the pill. I've been on it at various times

in my life and EACH TIME I felt MISERABLE and PSYCHOTIC and on edge...

I always ended up stopping the damn thing. I think that the patch or

shot would have a similar effect for me, but I'm not sure...

The patch looks pretty interesting -- I'm going to look into it, too!

The only real drawback I see is that it is not supposed to work as

well for those who are over 198 lbs (wow -- I'm there one day but 200

the next! LOL). I'd like to see more studies on that..

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into

[Guest guest]

> Liane: I know that the pill itself may not be fully absorbed, etc.

and this may lead to an 'accidental' pregnancy, but I thought that the

patch *may* be better because it would be absorbed via the skin and

the intestinal system would not be involved... same for the Lunette

shot.

I would think if anyone was considering birth control via hormones --

the pill MAY NOT be as effective because of our malapsorption but the

other forms of the pill (patch/shot) may have a better chance or more

comprehensive coverage..

Of course, I haven't read *any* studies to this effect nor do I know

for sure if getting the hormones via skin/muscle would 'circumvent'

the possible decreased efficacy issue the digestion of the pill can

present... These other alternatives do seem promising for us, though.

I am very hesitant about relying on the pill (in pill form) as a

post-op...

These are questions I should address to my surgeon. If we recieve the

hormones via patch or shot, do we need a 'normal' dose or would it

have to be adjusted for some reason?

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

10 months postop and still feelin' fabu

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' int

[Guest guest]

Oooh Lisbeth...then I hope you find an answer soon!

BTW, Rabkin advises that regardless of whether or not you use

the pill, you should also use a *mechanical* means of birth

control during the weight loss window. This includes condoms,

diaphrams, sponges or big, flashing neon STOP signs!!

(okay...so he *doesn't* recommend the last one) I can't stand

the pill and I've been on the depo shots for the past two years.

Delphine said it was okay to continue that as long as my

every-three-months shot doesn't come due the same week as

surgery or soon after. She said I didn't have to use anything else

on top of that, but y'all know there is only one TRUE way to

prevent pregnancy (aside from being a guy, that is).

Crossing her fingers, but not necessarily her...oh nevermind,

>

> Putting all nookie on hold until I speak to the Surgeon, Endo

and Gyno....I am going to cover all my bases before I get off first

base! Thanks Nick I appreciate the heads up!

> Lisbeth

[Guest guest]

Yikes! Good thing I checked in before going to bed tonight! I picked

up my bcp today, thinking that tonight would be the night :0!

Actually, this is great ammunition. I've been trying to get my

husband to get a vasectomy for about a year now! I also tried the

DepoProvera shots last year, and they were a major downer. Not to

mention that I had my period for 6 months straight. IUD is out of the

question since I've had an ectopic pregnancy and my doctor says it's

too much of a risk.

Gil

> >

> > Wow , you read my mind...I am sitting here thinking I have

to

> make another appointment with the Gyno to get me on some BCP...This

> patch sounds interesting thanks for the link!

> > Lisbeth

>

> Lisbeth: I have to think of the future, too --- There's the

Lunette

> shot (it is a monthly shot which is basically a birth control pill

in

> shot form).... I just hate the pill. I've been on it at various

times

> in my life and EACH TIME I felt MISERABLE and PSYCHOTIC and on

edge...

> I always ended up stopping the damn thing. I think that the patch

or

> shot would have a similar effect for me, but I'm not sure...

>

> The patch looks pretty interesting -- I'm going to look into it,

too!

> The only real drawback I see is that it is not supposed to work

as

> well for those who are over 198 lbs (wow -- I'm there one day but

200

> the next! LOL). I'd like to see more studies on that..

>

> all the best,

>

> lap ds with gallbladder removal

> January 25, 2001

> Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

>

> 10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

>

> preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into

[Guest guest]

Lisbeth,

I may be remembering wrong, but I think the Depo-Provera study

showed an " inconclusive " weight gain. Something like <2lbs

over the course of a year?? Since the average adult gains

1lb/year, this was ruled inconclusive. Since I'm not average and

I've gained approximately 10-15lbs (on average) per year as an

adult, I couldn't say. However, I remember the weight gain being

more directly noticeable while I was on the pill than since I've

been on Depo. Who knows?

>

> , Liane et all,

> Now I have heard that women tend to gain weight on the

Lunette shot or the other birth control shots....and was one of the

reasons I was going to ask for regular bcp....but now I am

wondering which would be best....this is all very confusing...I

have an appointment with my endo on friday so I am wondering if

she could answer these questions....

> Lisbeth

[Guest guest]

I'm surprised that the doctor would recommend using the diaphragm during the

weight loss window. The diaphragm depends on a proper fit. Even a small

weight loss can compromise it's effectiveness. It is not a good option for

women losing weight.

Rita Black

<<Rabkin advises that regardless of whether or not you use

the pill, you should also use a *mechanical* means of birth

control during the weight loss window. This includes condoms,

diaphrams, sponges or big, flashing neon STOP signs!! >>

[Guest guest]

I've been on depo for about 3 years and I actually maintained my

297lbs for most of that time. I've lost about 32lbs in about 5 weeks

as well, so I don't think the depo is significantly impeding my

weight loss now either

Anita

11/08/01 Dr Keshishian

11/08/01 320lbs

12/07/01 294lbs

12/18/01 288lbs

> >

> > , Liane et all,

> > Now I have heard that women tend to gain weight on the

> Lunette shot or the other birth control shots....and was one of the

> reasons I was going to ask for regular bcp....but now I am

> wondering which would be best....this is all very confusing...I

> have an appointment with my endo on friday so I am wondering if

> she could answer these questions....

> > Lisbeth

[Guest guest]

I took no chances..

I started on Depo after surgery.. the hardest part is psyching myself

up every 3 months to stick myself! Once the needle is in, the shot

itself is a breeze..

Go figure.. when the doc wants to do a fingerstick for instant blood

sugar testing, I can't do it.. yet can give myself a shot (after some

psyching-up..) with a verry long needle...

When do they come up w/male birth control????

Sigh

Liane

(seemingly) perpetually at 308

> Hi, everyone -- I've been looking into post-op birth control and I

really

> don't know the efficacy of the pill in terms of post-op

absorption... Perhaps

> the 'patch' would be an effective option for post-ops, although the

article

> does state that it isn't as effective for those over 198 lbs (which

would

> mean that a majority of women couldn't use it until they have gotten

past

> this point and the immediate post-op period is really very crucial

in terms

> of increased fertility, etc.)...

>

>

>

http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/1728.94100?DEST=WebMD & conte

>

> ntSRC=aolhealthnews

>

> All the best,

>

> lap ds with gallbladder removal

> January 25, 2001

> Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

>

> 10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

>

> preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into a 14 LOL

[Guest guest]

Lisbeth-

I worried about slow weight loss from the Depo shot, but decided that

it would be easier to deal with than a pregnancy that my body might

not yet be ready to deal with.. and I gotta admit, until recently I

had decided that I was losing just fine.. of course, I was a

" serious-neverending-plateau virgin " until recently... and from all

I've heard, this happens to those NOT on Depo... so who knows?

Besides.. until you're committed to one guy, condoms are still gonna

be a neccessary evil...dammit.

Just a few thoughts from a sleepy person....

Hugs,

Liane

> > Liane: I know that the pill itself may not be fully absorbed, etc.

> and this may lead to an 'accidental' pregnancy, but I thought that the

> patch *may* be better because it would be absorbed via the skin and

> the intestinal system would not be involved... same for the Lunette

> shot.

>

> I would think if anyone was considering birth control via hormones --

> the pill MAY NOT be as effective because of our malapsorption but the

> other forms of the pill (patch/shot) may have a better chance or more

> comprehensive coverage..

>

> Of course, I haven't read *any* studies to this effect nor do I know

> for sure if getting the hormones via skin/muscle would 'circumvent'

> the possible decreased efficacy issue the digestion of the pill can

> present... These other alternatives do seem promising for us, though.

> I am very hesitant about relying on the pill (in pill form) as a

> post-op...

>

> These are questions I should address to my surgeon. If we recieve the

> hormones via patch or shot, do we need a 'normal' dose or would it

> have to be adjusted for some reason?

>

> all the best,

>

> lap ds with gallbladder removal

> January 25, 2001

> Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

>

> 10 months postop and still feelin' fabu

>

> preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' int

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Rita,

I believe this was suggested *in addition to* using the pill.

Besides, diaphragms aren't supposed to be used alone, but

with spermicide. I used a diaphragm all throughout my last diet

where I lost almost 100lbs. I had it checked for fit about every

three months and it only had to be changed at the very end of my

weight loss, but you're right in that it must be a good fit in order to

work effectively.

I think the general idea is to use every means possible to avoid

getting pregnant during the weight loss period. If you have one

plan, get a backup...and then get a backup for your backup.

-

> I'm surprised that the doctor would recommend using the

diaphragm during the

> weight loss window. The diaphragm depends on a proper fit.

Even a small

> weight loss can compromise it's effectiveness. It is not a good

option for

> women losing weight.

>

> Rita Black

>

> <<Rabkin advises that regardless of whether or not you use

> the pill, you should also use a *mechanical* means of birth

> control during the weight loss window. This includes

condoms,

> diaphrams, sponges or big, flashing neon STOP signs!! >>

[Guest guest]

Whoa, Liane! You stick yourself? That was never even offered to

me! LOL! Besides, I don't think I could do it. I don't mind the

needle part, but the injection usually stings enough that I don't

think I could do it to myself!

> I took no chances..

> I started on Depo after surgery.. the hardest part is psyching

myself

> up every 3 months to stick myself! Once the needle is in, the

shot

> itself is a breeze..

[Guest guest]

Diaphrams won't work during weight loss!!! A diaphram needs to be

refitted for every ten pounds of weight loss, as I recall. That would

be about every couple of weeks if you have a low BMI and oh hell,

perhaps every couple of days if you have a high BMI. Now the time

required to be in stirrups could in and of itself prevent

pregnancy...chortle, but I would consider a different method.

Now, this nausea is enough to act as birth control for me right

now...sighs...although I do make most of those " windows " .

Damn, I'm sick of losing one meal a day! I am suppositoried up the

arse, so to speak, taking two antacids a day...prescription at night

and over the counter in the morning, and still i lose one meal a

day! I need advice, suggestions or just a pat on the back please!

Thanks and hugs,

Theresa

Surgery date: DS Nov. 19, 2001

Dr. Gregg Jossart

Highest weight: 293

Surgery weight: 251

Current weight: 221

Height: 5' 7.5 "

> >

> > Putting all nookie on hold until I speak to the Surgeon, Endo

> and Gyno....I am going to cover all my bases before I get off first

> base! Thanks Nick I appreciate the heads up!

> > Lisbeth

[Guest guest]

Whispers to Lis,

It's worth it sweets!

Winks,

Theresa

Surgery date: DS Nov. 19, 2001

Dr. Gregg Jossart

Highest weight: 293

Surgery weight: 251

Current weight: 221

Height: 5' 7.5 "

> >

> > Putting all nookie on hold until I speak to the Surgeon, Endo

> and Gyno....I am going to cover all my bases before I get off first

> base! Thanks Nick I appreciate the heads up!

> > Lisbeth

>

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

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>

[Guest guest]

lol, my first daughter was concieved after 7 YEARS of religious pill use

needless to say we dont use the ill any more

ru

[Guest guest]

Jenifer,

I hate to admit to this, but last year I explained to new hubby that

pregnancy would not be an acceptable thing at my advanced and obese

age! So he willingly agreed to a vasectomy. Sadly to say, the

following month, as I missed my monthly visitor, rolling my eyes, and

underwent a pregnancy test, my doctor also ran a hormone scan and

said I had none! Yup...went from normal in one month to menopausal

the next! Poor hubby was NOT amused...sighs. But thank goodness

that is behind me!

Laughing,

Theresa

Surgery date: DS Nov. 19, 2001

Dr. Gregg Jossart

Highest weight: 293

Surgery weight: 251

Current weight: 221

Height: 5' 7.5 "

> > >

> > > Wow , you read my mind...I am sitting here thinking I

have

> to

> > make another appointment with the Gyno to get me on some

BCP...This

> > patch sounds interesting thanks for the link!

> > > Lisbeth

> >

> > Lisbeth: I have to think of the future, too --- There's the

> Lunette

> > shot (it is a monthly shot which is basically a birth control

pill

> in

> > shot form).... I just hate the pill. I've been on it at various

> times

> > in my life and EACH TIME I felt MISERABLE and PSYCHOTIC and on

> edge...

> > I always ended up stopping the damn thing. I think that the

patch

> or

> > shot would have a similar effect for me, but I'm not sure...

> >

> > The patch looks pretty interesting -- I'm going to look into it,

> too!

> > The only real drawback I see is that it is not supposed to

work

> as

> > well for those who are over 198 lbs (wow -- I'm there one day but

> 200

> > the next! LOL). I'd like to see more studies on that..

> >

> > all the best,

> >

> > lap ds with gallbladder removal

> > January 25, 2001

> > Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

> >

> > 10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

> >

> > preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

> > now: 198 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin' into

[Guest guest]

At 11:25 AM -0500 12/18/01, Ru wrote:

>lol, my first daughter was concieved after 7 YEARS of religious pill use

you're supposed to take BC pills, not religious pills!

Arghhh!

--Steve

--

[Guest guest]

Maybe you shoulda used REAL pills, instead of the religious ones?

<blink?>

Ford

Re: post-op birth control: New birthcontrol

'patch' approved

lol, my first daughter was concieved after 7 YEARS of religious pill use

needless to say we dont use the ill any more

ru

[Guest guest]

gad! Beat by Steve!

<laugh>

Ford

Re: post-op birth control: New birthcontrol

'patch' approved

At 11:25 AM -0500 12/18/01, Ru wrote:

>lol, my first daughter was concieved after 7 YEARS of religious pill use

you're supposed to take BC pills, not religious pills!

Arghhh!

--Steve

--

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[Guest guest]

I have not been on hormone birth control for 4 years until this last

month. I am on the monthly shot. I was a little dizzy and emotional

the first few days but the rest of the time was worry free. I have

liked it and I will be going in to get my second month shot this next

week.

I wonder if we will ever be able to shoot up ourselves. My mom and

dad both shoot up inslin daily. I could do it once a month.

Machelle

7 months post op

down 100 pounds.

[Guest guest]

LOL..

its because I'm an RN.. my doc said if I could give myself the shot I

wouldn't have to come into the office & pay a visit charge... and if

its a veerrrrry sharp needle, it doesn't hurt!

Hmn.. my shot doesn't sting.. wonder if its cuz I use the big thigh

muscle instead of the butt?

Just a thought,

Liane

> > I took no chances..

> > I started on Depo after surgery.. the hardest part is psyching

> myself

> > up every 3 months to stick myself! Once the needle is in, the

> shot

> > itself is a breeze..