Guest guest Posted November 18, 2001 Report Share Posted November 18, 2001 >>A less expensive way would be nice too! lol > ANy suggestions from old hands at this? Even if you are interested in other products, this may give you some idea of how to calculate the actual costs of what you are considering. . --------------------------- COST COMPARISONS: I worked out how much the cost per capsule was for each product. First, EnzymAid Complete comes as $36/60 grams with 1/4 teaspoon = 1 gram. I wanted to determine how these compared by volume or amount. The bottle says to use 1/4 teaspoon/meal as a " serving. " There are 60 servings per bottle. I opened capsules of all the other products into a measuring spoon. The other capsules all equalled about 1/8 teaspoon. Then I tried packing as much Complete into one of those capsules as possible, then emptied the contents into the measuring spoon. Did this several times. It equalled about 1/8 teaspoon. So, the 1/4 teaspoon of Complete recommended equals two capsules of anything else. Or one capsule of anything else = 1/8 teaspoon of Complete powder. Or, one bottle of Complete = 120 capsules. I am not sure it IS cheaper, actually more expensive, because the dosage listed for Complete is 2 capsules (1/4 teaspoon, 1 capsule = 1/8 teaspoon) and the enzyme activities listed on the label are for 2 capsules (not one). So one capsules worth is half of the listed dosage. Zyme Prime and Pep's dosages and listings are for 1 capsule. At $39 for 120 capsules (but only 60 doses, ) vs $41 for 90 capsules (and 90 doses); that comes out to $0.65 per dose for Complete and $0.45 per dose for Pep and ZP combined (if you gave two capsules for a complete spectrum of foods). Consumers need to always compare the dose size with the ingredient/activity units. This is a strategy to make it look like you are getting a lot of enzyme activity per serving, however the serving size is more than one capsule. So if you want to get the activity listed on the label you need to take more than one capsule or equivalent. I noticed this with Absorbaid as well (2 capsule = 1 serving). I have also made this error with other supplements, thinking the amount of product you get per capsule or tablet was what was listed on the label, and then at home I would find out that you needed to take 2, 3 or more caps to get the listed amount. Also note how many capsules per bottle. Usually for enzymes, it is in increments of 60, 90, or 120. The Vital Zyme Forte by Klaire has 120 caps per bottle which I didn't notice at first. Now I calculated the cost/capsule, all costs are in cents/capsule with near dollars being rounded up and shipping not included: 24.4 Peptizyde ($22/90 capsules) 21.1 Zyme Prime ($19/90 capsules) 22.0 SerenAid* ($44/180 capsules with 10% off) 17.3 Vital-Zyme Forte* ($23/120 capsules with 10%) 25.0 Forte analog ($15/60 capsules) 27.8 EnzymAid ($25/90 capsules) 27.8 EnzymAid Companion* $35/90 capsules) 30.0 EnzymAid Complete ($36/120 capsules; $36/60 grams with 1/4 teaspoon = 1 gram. 1/8 teaspoon = 1 capsule) *I used the cost for the Klaire products from the vitallifevitamins site using the regular discounted price plus the added 10% off offered for the enzyme board - thus looking at the lowest price available. These would be slightly higher otherwise. The Vital-Zyme Forte is the all-purpose general enzyme product by Klaire. I do not have and of the Companion but calculated costs.) Now compare possible combinations: If you want a complete enzyme program for all foods, from Houstons: 24.4 Peptizyde 21.1 Zyme Prime ---- 45.5 cents total using 2 capsules from Klaire Labs: 22.0 SerenAid* 17.3 Vital-Zyme Forte* ---- 39.3 cents total using 2 capsules from Kirkmans: 30.0 EzymAid Complete per one capsule or 1/8 teaspoon 60.0 cents total using 2 capsules (or 1/4 teaspoon) OR 25.0 Forte analog 27.8 EnzymAid 27.8 EnzymAid Companion* --- 80.6 cents total using 3 capsules or to get 2/3 of this to equal 2 capsules 53.7 cents total using 2 capsules Enzyme products can be mixed and matched, so you do not have to buy everything from one company. All products use a very high standard of manufacturing methods and quality control. All products use quality ingredients, including sulfite-free papain. All enzymes are considered very safe and have been used over time, with the exception of the DPP IV Forte analog (no data available yet). The Klaire Lab products are in gelatin capsules, although they said they will be switching to veggie caps (please check your particular supplier). All others are in veggie capsules. Based on performance (results of testing available upon request, and previous comments by parents), here are some possible rough equivalents. Your actual results may vary: 1 Peptizyde = 2 Complete or 1/4 teaspoons of powder 24.4 cents vs 60 cents - this is if you want to achieve equal activity for casein/gluten, not for general food digestion. Using 1/8 teaspoon powder (1 capsule) of Complete did not perform as well as one Peptizyde, however 2 capsules of Complete would be equivalent to 1 Peptizyde, with the additional ability to break down other foods. 1 Peptizyde + 1 Zyme Prime = 2 capsules of Complete (1/4 teaspoon) 45.5 cents vs 60 cents - this is if you want complete overall digestion including casein and gluten. Performance comparisons were relatively equal. 1 Peptizyde = 2 SerenAid 24.4 cents vs 44 cents for casein/gluten only. Performance comparisons were relatively equal, Peptizyde only slightly better. 1 Peptizyde = at least 4 DPP IV Forte analog (my guess here) 24.4 cents vs $1.00 for casein breakdown only. 2 capsules (or 1/4 teaspoon) of Complete compared to Forte analog + EnzymAid + EnzymAid Companion 60.0 cents vs 80.6 - this is a rough comparison because I do not have any more EnzymAid or any Companion at all, so I don't know if mixing the later three would actually equal the performance of just Complete by itself. If you gave 3/8 teaspoon (3 capsules) of Complete, then the quantity would be even and, realistically, you wouldn't be mixing the other three and then given 2/3 the dose. The costs would now be 90 cents for Complete vs 80.6 cents for the other three. 1 Vital Zyme Forte = 1 Zyme Prime = 1 Companion (I'm guessing here) = 21.1 cents vs 17.3 cents vs 27.8 cents Performance comparisons were relatively equal. Carbo from EnzyMedica probably goes here as well. Carbo is $25/60 capsules in my area = 41.7 cents per capsule - it has high activity though, however that is another post Price varies considerably. Calculate how much you will be spending for your family by food type and frequency of dose to meet your personal goals. I have broken them out by cost/capsule, hopefully this will help you multiply out what you will be spending on a regular basis. You will also need to factor in individual responses. You may find you or your child reacts strongly to one formulation, but not another. Nothing in the lab, whether kitchen testing or real laboratory, can accurately predict how an individual will respond. 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