Re: new wrinkle in my logistics--probably OT

[Guest guest]

> Sorry, , one good experience does not set the trend for

the Best

> Western. During my stay as a post op he made me move twice (3

different

> rooms in 4 days) and would not cooperate with moving the

recliner. I talked

> quite a bit to him about the advantage to him of working with Dr.

K's

> patients.

Dear Nick,

I really don't know of your experience at Best Western and I can't

comment on that. But for someone to say that the owner dislike post

op patients is just too premature for someone to say has only stayed

there for several days. If you don't like the hotel, that is fine;

no one is forcing anyone to go to the hotel. And I'm not forcing

anyone to go there either.

However, since I will agree with you that one good experience (mine,

that is) does not set the trend for the Best Western, I shall add

that your bad experience with Best Western does not set the trend

either. I suppose the listers here on this informative forum will

have to experience staying at the hotel for themselves.

Happy holidays

Berlanga

My words fell on deaf ears.

>

> Dee has had such a problem with the BW that she will not place

recliners

> there anymore.

>

> Best-

>

> Nick in Sage

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, no.

For it to " suggest " anything to me, I would have to hear the whole

story; from both sides. But I am not interested in it anyway.

However, it does seem that here on this forum, it all has been a one-

sided story told from several listers.

If the owner does not accept recliners or has made you move three

times, then maybe there were reasons. The reasons could be that it

was to promote fairness among other guests. Or to protect himself

from discrimination, etc--so many reasons. I once had to deal with

a lawsuit regarding my business.

This may sound brutal, but everyone--hosptial patient or not--is

responsible for his/her own accomodations. That includes food,

utensils, clothing, transportation, etc.

But let us get back to discussing what this list was dedicated to:

duodenal switch.

Best regards,

Berlanga

> Hi again, -

>

> You would be correct about my experience not setting a trend. How

about

> Dee's experience that has led her to not send the recliners

there? Does

> that suggest anything to you?

>

> Best-

>

> Nick

[Guest guest]

Okay, , now I understand. Lets draw a small analogy between a

current event and the Delano Best Western. Because Bin Laden didn't do

anything negative to me personally, he must be a candidate for the Nobel

Peace Prize. We won't have to look too closely at what he has done to

others if we haven't suffered ourselves. I have a real problem with that

logic.

Most people would recognize a problem from the plethora of negative

experiences at Best Western, as you, yourself have chronicled by saying " .

.. . it all has been a one-sided story told from several listers. "

It is absolutely wonderful that you had a good experience there. Does that

minority of one status really suggest to you that the Best Western is the

place to go?

Maybe you don't remember Dee too well. She is a very patient and fair

person. For her to stop placing recliners at the Best Western speaks

volumes, unless you are a bit unwilling to look beyond your own personal

experience.

Nick in Sage

[Guest guest]

> Okay, , now I understand. Lets draw a small analogy

between a

> current event and the Delano Best Western. Because Bin Laden

didn't do

> anything negative to me personally, he must be a candidate for the

Nobel

> Peace Prize. We won't have to look too closely at what he has

done to

> others if we haven't suffered ourselves. I have a real problem

with that

> logic.

Excuse me but, how is that analogy valid in our argument? You

cannot compare Bin Laden to the owner of Best Western. Bin Laden

had a motive to terrorize; the owner's motive was not the same at

all. You have not given any examples of what the owner did to make

your stay uncomfortable. Is it because he didn't take your

suggestion seriously? Or is it because he " forced " you to move into

several different rooms? (Why did you keep staying at the hotel

anyway?) Sorry, that was just a poor trick to get me to sympathize

with you. It won't work with me because your attempt for sympathy

just won't cut it.

> Most people would recognize a problem from the plethora of negative

> experiences at Best Western, as you, yourself have chronicled by

saying " .

> . . it all has been a one-sided story told from several listers. "

>

> It is absolutely wonderful that you had a good experience there.

Does that

> minority of one status really suggest to you that the Best Western

is the

> place to go?

Did I ever suggest that? Plus, I'm interested to know if the

majority group are really the ones that have bad experiences at the

hotel. It could be otherwise; the majority have a good experience

at Best Western. Who are you to say that majority of patients who

stayed at the hotel had bad experiences?

> Maybe you don't remember Dee too well. She is a very patient and

fair

> person. For her to stop placing recliners at the Best Western

speaks

> volumes, unless you are a bit unwilling to look beyond your own

personal

> experience.

>

Sorry, but your telling me that I should know Dee well, isn't going

to change my views. As I have said before, maybe there were valid

reasons why the owner cannot accept recliners.

Sorry, your argument is marked as " invalid. "

[Guest guest]

Let me see if I can clarify this for you. You said that because you,

personally, didn't have a bad experience, then the BW is a worthy place.

You are absolutely one of a kind and you are stubbornly refusing to

acknowledge that others who have posted regarding their stay there were

unimpressed at best. Either you set your goals low or you had an experience

at BW that was a bit unusual when compared to the rest of us.

You discount our multiple experiences because you felt fine about your stay.

, the guy was a complete jerk to us. Do you remember Dee? Do you

honestly think that she hasn't got your ability to figure out what is going

on?

You miss the Bin Laden comparison. Because the owner, looking at things

through your eyes (or so you said), was trying to be fair to everyone by

moving me twice, it is only me who received that treatment. If you think

that my being morbidly obese at that time had nothing to do with what he

did, then why was it I who was inconvenienced, and not others. Apparently

you feel that democracy was in action. I didn't see others of normal weight

being herded about when they were just out of the hospital. Granted, he

didn't kill like Bin Laden, however, he intentionally discriminated against

me, and nobody else.

Okay, you want examples of my suggestions? Here goes -

1. Have rooms with refrigerator/microwaves downstairs for post--ops. 2.

Have those rooms be nonsmoking rooms because the rooms upstairs don't have

elevator access. 3. Install special showerheads (cost <$25.00) in rooms

for post-ops.

What are you, some kind of PR person for this guy? Why do you read my post

as a solicitation for sympathy? You are as off base on that as you are on

your other statements about the BW.

If the majority had good experiences at the BW, you probably could expect to

see something on this list. Yours is the first.

You bring up a lot of maybes. Maybe I have talked to Dee. Maybe I know

more than one reason that the recliners aren't going to BW. Maybe there are

reasons that others have shared with me as to why BW is not the best place

for post-ops.

I suppose you stayed there without a recliner. Is that true? If so, you

got just what you deserve.

Finally, I really am personally devastated that you can't find validity in

my statements. You may be equally devastated to find that I find your

stance absurd.

This is my final post on this so you can get in the last word. Have at it.

Nick

--- Original Message -----

To: <duodenalswitch >

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:08 PM

Subject: Re: new wrinkle in my logistics--probably OT

>

> > Okay, , now I understand. Lets draw a small analogy

> between a

> > current event and the Delano Best Western. Because Bin Laden

> didn't do

> > anything negative to me personally, he must be a candidate for the

> Nobel

> > Peace Prize. We won't have to look too closely at what he has

> done to

> > others if we haven't suffered ourselves. I have a real problem

> with that

> > logic.

>

> Excuse me but, how is that analogy valid in our argument? You

> cannot compare Bin Laden to the owner of Best Western. Bin Laden

> had a motive to terrorize; the owner's motive was not the same at

> all. You have not given any examples of what the owner did to make

> your stay uncomfortable. Is it because he didn't take your

> suggestion seriously? Or is it because he " forced " you to move into

> several different rooms? (Why did you keep staying at the hotel

> anyway?) Sorry, that was just a poor trick to get me to sympathize

> with you. It won't work with me because your attempt for sympathy

> just won't cut it.

>

>

> > Most people would recognize a problem from the plethora of negative

> > experiences at Best Western, as you, yourself have chronicled by

> saying " .

> > . . it all has been a one-sided story told from several listers. "

> >

> > It is absolutely wonderful that you had a good experience there.

> Does that

> > minority of one status really suggest to you that the Best Western

> is the

> > place to go?

>

> Did I ever suggest that? Plus, I'm interested to know if the

> majority group are really the ones that have bad experiences at the

> hotel. It could be otherwise; the majority have a good experience

> at Best Western. Who are you to say that majority of patients who

> stayed at the hotel had bad experiences?

>

> > Maybe you don't remember Dee too well. She is a very patient and

> fair

> > person. For her to stop placing recliners at the Best Western

> speaks

> > volumes, unless you are a bit unwilling to look beyond your own

> personal

> > experience.

> >

>

> Sorry, but your telling me that I should know Dee well, isn't going

> to change my views. As I have said before, maybe there were valid

> reasons why the owner cannot accept recliners.

>

> Sorry, your argument is marked as " invalid. "

>

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I hate to flog a dead horse (but will anyway...)

I stayed at the BW and know that the owner is very willing to provide

rides around Delano and to/from the airport for other motel guests.

However when phoned and told him I'd just had surgery and needed to

go to the Drs office, would he take me - he declined. Later that

same day, when I ran into him in the hallways, and he told me himself

that he would have given me a ride if he knew I was " normal " sized

and not " that big " . Gee, I think he thought he was complimenting

me. He's also been very direct with Dee and has told her he doesn't

like the responsibility of having post-ops in the motel. So I guess

you could say I did hear the story - from both sides...and I was

pretty offended.

I'm glad your experience was better than other's who've posted, you

were lucky.

Gil

Dr. Keshishian

11/8 - 264 lbs

11/26 - 240 lbs

> > Hi again, -

> >

> > You would be correct about my experience not setting a trend.

How

> about

> > Dee's experience that has led her to not send the recliners

> there? Does

> > that suggest anything to you?

> >

> > Best-

> >

> > Nick

[Guest guest]

WHAT A TOTAL CREEP!

Everyone having surgery in Delano should boycott his freakin' motel!

Then we'd see how much he misses " having the responsibility " of post-

ops in his rooms!

Thanks for posting, . I hope that we'll get more posts like

yours about the specific kinds of shit this guy pulls. OOOH--I'm so

mad. Good thing I don't live in L.A. anymore cuz I'd have to drive

up to Delano and chew out his liver, too, with my bare teeth!

I SEE " LAW SUIT " LOOMING ON THE HORIZON!

Best,

> > > Hi again, -

> > >

> > > You would be correct about my experience not setting a trend.

> How

> > about

> > > Dee's experience that has led her to not send the recliners

> > there? Does

> > > that suggest anything to you?

> > >

> > > Best-

> > >

> > > Nick