Re: sleep problems

[Guest guest]

I don't know what to tell you Carol, except to maybe try lengthening the bar

even a little passed the shoulder width. A little extra lengthening may make a

difference if nothing else is found as the culprit. Did she eat anything

different that would cause cramping or tummy problems? I'm sorry I can't be of

more help.

Carol Shelton wrote: is 8 months old

and in the s for 18/7 a day. She has worn them for about 5 months. She

has always slept with me in bed and has gotten into a pattern of waking about

twice to nurse and going straight back to sleep for the past several months.

Well, the past three nights, she has been very restless, wakes up every 30

minutes to an hour, won't nurse or go back to sleep until I rock in her in the

living room. She has four teeth but is not currently teething (and never did

this when teething) and is not ill, no diaper rash, etc. I have wondered if this

is related to the FAB. I have lengthened the bar and it is exactly the length of

her shoulders (from the outside of her shoulders), measuring from middle bolt to

middle bolt on the shoes, which is 9 inches. Keeping the bar the width of her

shoulders has always worked for her in the past. Her shoes are getting small in

length for her and her toes have just

begun to stick over the ends a bit but the width seems fine and she has no red

marks or any other indication that they are bothering her. I am stumped. In

desperation, I took off the FAB about 2:30 am last night and she did sleep

somewhat better but was still restless. I put it back on at 7 am. I am trying to

figure out the cause of her problems so I can address it. I am a walking zombie.

Any thoughts or help? Thanks,

Carol

[Guest guest]

I'd say the same, go shoulder to shoulder heel to heel (insides) and

see how that works. Night waking exactly like you describe always

meant lengthening the bar for us too. Especially at that age, seems

Darbi was particularly sensitive to length at that age.

additionally, there's a growth spurt around that age too, which would

mean she's hungrier more often. Thus... more night nursing. All my

babies did that at or around 7-9mo's.

Kori

At 08:45 AM 6/22/2006, you wrote:

>I don't know what to tell you Carol, except to maybe try lengthening

>the bar even a little passed the shoulder width. A little extra

>lengthening may make a difference if nothing else is found as the

>culprit. Did she eat anything different that would cause cramping or

>tummy problems? I'm sorry I can't be of more help.

>

>Carol Shelton

><<mailto:csheltonhome%40hotmail.com>csheltonhome@...> wrote:

> is 8 months old and in the s for 18/7 a day. She has

>worn them for about 5 months. She has always slept with me in bed

>and has gotten into a pattern of waking about twice to nurse and

>going straight back to sleep for the past several months. Well, the

>past three nights, she has been very restless, wakes up every 30

>minutes to an hour, won't nurse or go back to sleep until I rock in

>her in the living room. She has four teeth but is not currently

>teething (and never did this when teething) and is not ill, no

>diaper rash, etc. I have wondered if this is related to the FAB. I

>have lengthened the bar and it is exactly the length of her

>shoulders (from the outside of her shoulders), measuring from middle

>bolt to middle bolt on the shoes, which is 9 inches. Keeping the bar

>the width of her shoulders has always worked for her in the past.

>Her shoes are getting small in length for her and her toes have just

>begun to stick over the ends a bit but the width seems fine and she

>has no red marks or any other indication that they are bothering

>her. I am stumped. In desperation, I took off the FAB about 2:30 am

>last night and she did sleep somewhat better but was still restless.

>I put it back on at 7 am. I am trying to figure out the cause of her

>problems so I can address it. I am a walking zombie. Any thoughts or

>help? Thanks,

>

>Carol

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was going to say all of this too, esp. about the growth spurt. The

other thing could be, even if there are no outward signs, that the

shoes are getting uncomfortable if they are a bit too small. Although

the fact that she was still restless without the shoes on makes me

think it might not be them at all. Let us know if you think of

anything else and we'll hash it out!

> > is 8 months old and in the s for 18/7 a day. She has

> >worn them for about 5 months. She has always slept with me in bed

> >and has gotten into a pattern of waking about twice to nurse and

> >going straight back to sleep for the past several months. Well, the

> >past three nights, she has been very restless, wakes up every 30

> >minutes to an hour, won't nurse or go back to sleep until I rock in

> >her in the living room. She has four teeth but is not currently

> >teething (and never did this when teething) and is not ill, no

> >diaper rash, etc. I have wondered if this is related to the FAB. I

> >have lengthened the bar and it is exactly the length of her

> >shoulders (from the outside of her shoulders), measuring from middle

> >bolt to middle bolt on the shoes, which is 9 inches. Keeping the bar

> >the width of her shoulders has always worked for her in the past.

> >Her shoes are getting small in length for her and her toes have just

> >begun to stick over the ends a bit but the width seems fine and she

> >has no red marks or any other indication that they are bothering

> >her. I am stumped. In desperation, I took off the FAB about 2:30 am

> >last night and she did sleep somewhat better but was still restless.

> >I put it back on at 7 am. I am trying to figure out the cause of her

> >problems so I can address it. I am a walking zombie. Any thoughts or

> >help? Thanks,

> >

> >Carol

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

it could just be that with her age her sleep needs are changing, maybe too much

napping during the day to sleep well at night?

s.

sleep problems

is 8 months old and in the s for 18/7 a day. She has worn them

for about 5 months. She has always slept with me in bed and has gotten into a

pattern of waking about twice to nurse and going straight back to sleep for the

past several months. Well, the past three nights, she has been very restless,

wakes up every 30 minutes to an hour, won't nurse or go back to sleep until I

rock in her in the living room. She has four teeth but is not currently teething

(and never did this when teething) and is not ill, no diaper rash, etc. I have

wondered if this is related to the FAB. I have lengthened the bar and it is

exactly the length of her shoulders (from the outside of her shoulders),

measuring from middle bolt to middle bolt on the shoes, which is 9 inches.

Keeping the bar the width of her shoulders has always worked for her in the

past. Her shoes are getting small in length for her and her toes have just begun

to stick over the ends a bit but the width seems fine and she has o red marks or

any other indication that they are bothering her. I am stumped. In desperation,

I took off the FAB about 2:30 am last night and she did sleep somewhat better

but was still restless. I put it back on at 7 am. I am trying to figure out the

cause of her problems so I can address it. I am a walking zombie. Any thoughts

or help? Thanks,

Carol

[Guest guest]

Gabe goes through something like this every few months or so... I believe the

discomfort is caused by growth spurts. He has complex clubfeet. Often when he is

having a growth spurt, his shoes seem to bother him at night. This continues for

a couple weeks till his tendons stretch to accommodate his growth. My

understanding is that this is not uncommon for typical clubfoot either (tendons

growing more slowly than bones). If you can not find anything else that may be

bothering her, maybe this could be happening. Hope everything resolves itself

soon.

Faith

number23 wrote:

it could just be that with her age her sleep needs are changing, maybe

too much napping during the day to sleep well at night?

s.

sleep problems

is 8 months old and in the s for 18/7 a day. She has worn them

for about 5 months. She has always slept with me in bed and has gotten into a

pattern of waking about twice to nurse and going straight back to sleep for the

past several months. Well, the past three nights, she has been very restless,

wakes up every 30 minutes to an hour, won't nurse or go back to sleep until I

rock in her in the living room. She has four teeth but is not currently teething

(and never did this when teething) and is not ill, no diaper rash, etc. I have

wondered if this is related to the FAB. I have lengthened the bar and it is

exactly the length of her shoulders (from the outside of her shoulders),

measuring from middle bolt to middle bolt on the shoes, which is 9 inches.

Keeping the bar the width of her shoulders has always worked for her in the

past. Her shoes are getting small in length for her and her toes have just begun

to stick over the ends a bit but the width seems fine

and she has o red marks or any other indication that they are bothering her. I

am stumped. In desperation, I took off the FAB about 2:30 am last night and she

did sleep somewhat better but was still restless. I put it back on at 7 am. I am

trying to figure out the cause of her problems so I can address it. I am a

walking zombie. Any thoughts or help? Thanks,

Carol

[Guest guest]

We had this problem about a month ago. We thought teeth or ears. Logan's

toes had started to go over the edge a little, but I figured open toe no

problem and in a week we would be back in MD and could pick up our new

shoes. The third night of restlessness I took the FAB off and he slept much

better. The next day we took a 4 hour trip for new shoes (because they

would not mail them). It turned out to be his shoes. The next night he

slept much better. It never occurred to me that the width was too small.

He was not getting marks or soars, just plain uncomfortable I guess.

Another thing that helped was apparently Logan wanted the bed to himself.

He had been sleeping in the bed with us since the FAB started at 3mo, he's

now 10mo. We put him in his crib about two weeks ago and he sleeps much

better ( so do we now that we don't get kicked in the head by the ends of

the bar). Good Luck!!

and Logan

Re: sleep problems

Gabe goes through something like this every few months or so... I believe

the discomfort is caused by growth spurts. He has complex clubfeet. Often

when he is having a growth spurt, his shoes seem to bother him at night.

This continues for a couple weeks till his tendons stretch to accommodate

his growth. My understanding is that this is not uncommon for typical

clubfoot either (tendons growing more slowly than bones). If you can not

find anything else that may be bothering her, maybe this could be happening.

Hope everything resolves itself soon.

Faith

number23 <number23 (AT) crosstel (DOT) <mailto:number23%40crosstel.net> net> wrote:

it could just be that with her age her sleep needs are changing, maybe too

much napping during the day to sleep well at night?

s.

sleep problems

is 8 months old and in the s for 18/7 a day. She has worn

them for about 5 months. She has always slept with me in bed and has gotten

into a pattern of waking about twice to nurse and going straight back to

sleep for the past several months. Well, the past three nights, she has been

very restless, wakes up every 30 minutes to an hour, won't nurse or go back

to sleep until I rock in her in the living room. She has four teeth but is

not currently teething (and never did this when teething) and is not ill, no

diaper rash, etc. I have wondered if this is related to the FAB. I have

lengthened the bar and it is exactly the length of her shoulders (from the

outside of her shoulders), measuring from middle bolt to middle bolt on the

shoes, which is 9 inches. Keeping the bar the width of her shoulders has

always worked for her in the past. Her shoes are getting small in length for

her and her toes have just begun to stick over the ends a bit but the width

seems fine

and she has o red marks or any other indication that they are bothering her.

I am stumped. In desperation, I took off the FAB about 2:30 am last night

and she did sleep somewhat better but was still restless. I put it back on

at 7 am. I am trying to figure out the cause of her problems so I can

address it. I am a walking zombie. Any thoughts or help? Thanks,

Carol

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to say thanks to all who replied. Don't have time to respond

individually, but it gives me food for thought and ideas to try.

I did try and lengthen the bar a bit more yesterday and she slept a bit better.

I have started solids recently and, although she is not getting much at all, I

eliminated them to make sure that was not the problem. She was still somewhat

restless last night and didn't sleep as soundly as she usually does, but it was

better than the three nights previous to this. Since we co sleep in my bed, she

seems to want to have my breast in her mouth most of the night. A real boob

addict here! I am willing to do this for the short term until she grows a bit

and we can find another solution.

Just wanted to say that I feel so grateful for this group. I would feel so

alone in my search for answers without it. Thanks!

Carol

Re: sleep problems

I don't know what to tell you Carol, except to maybe try lengthening the bar

even a little passed the shoulder width. A little extra lengthening may make a

difference if nothing else is found as the culprit. Did she eat anything

different that would cause cramping or tummy problems? I'm sorry I can't be of

more help.

Carol Shelton >

wrote: is 8 months old and in the s for 18/7 a day. She has worn

them for about 5 months. She has always slept with me in bed and has gotten into

a pattern of waking about twice to nurse and going straight back to sleep for

the past several months. Well, the past three nights, she has been very

restless, wakes up every 30 minutes to an hour, won't nurse or go back to sleep

until I rock in her in the living room. She has four teeth but is not currently

teething (and never did this when teething) and is not ill, no diaper rash, etc.

I have wondered if this is related to the FAB. I have lengthened the bar and it

is exactly the length of her shoulders (from the outside of her shoulders),

measuring from middle bolt to middle bolt on the shoes, which is 9 inches.

Keeping the bar the width of her shoulders has always worked for her in the

past. Her shoes are getting small in length for her and her toes have just

begun to stick over the ends a bit but the width seems fine and she has no red

marks or any other indication that they are bothering her. I am stumped. In

desperation, I took off the FAB about 2:30 am last night and she did sleep

somewhat better but was still restless. I put it back on at 7 am. I am trying to

figure out the cause of her problems so I can address it. I am a walking zombie.

Any thoughts or help? Thanks,

Carol

[Guest guest]

Carol-

You can test whether its the fab that is causing restlessness or

something else(growth spurt?)-have her sleep without the fab at

night. If she sleeps through the night-no issue-then its the fab and

we can experiment with length/socks/shoes etc. If she still is

restless or unhappy-then at least you know its not the fab!! We have

luckily received a 6 month hiatus from teething-our little man got

soo many at one time. However, he is now getting his 2year molars

and its affecting everything-his sleep, his eating habits, his

personality!! I thought at first it was the shoes-but after removing

them-he was still restless/irritable. I checked his little gums and

low and behold i could feel the molars coming in-I can't wait for

them to actually cut!! Good luck!!

kathleen

mom to david 22 mo old fab 12/7

and daughter edd 9/1/06

is 8 months old and in the s for 18/7 a day. She has

worn them for about 5 months. She has always slept with me in bed

and has gotten into a pattern of waking about twice to nurse and

going straight back to sleep for the past several months. Well, the

past three nights, she has been very restless, wakes up every 30

minutes to an hour, won't nurse or go back to sleep until I rock in

her in the living room. She has four teeth but is not currently

teething (and never did this when teething) and is not ill, no

diaper rash, etc. I have wondered if this is related to the FAB. I

have lengthened the bar and it is exactly the length of her

shoulders (from the outside of her shoulders), measuring from middle

bolt to middle bolt on the shoes, which is 9 inches. Keeping the bar

the width of her shoulders has always worked for her in the past.

Her shoes are getting small in length for her and her toes have just

> begun to stick over the ends a bit but the width seems fine and

she has no red marks or any other indication that they are bothering

her. I am stumped. In desperation, I took off the FAB about 2:30 am

last night and she did sleep somewhat better but was still restless.

I put it back on at 7 am. I am trying to figure out the cause of her

problems so I can address it. I am a walking zombie. Any thoughts or

help? Thanks,

>

> Carol

>

>

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting. I had not heard it before stated in this way but it

does make sense. has been sleeping better since I lengthened her

bar...but I had to lengthen it twice before it made a difference. I do believe

that must have been the problem. She should get new shoes in the next few weeks

so I hope that might make her more comfy, too, since the old ones are getting a

bit small. Thanks for your response.

Carol

sleep problems

is 8 months old and in the s for 18/7 a day. She has worn them

for about 5 months. She has always slept with me in bed and has gotten into a

pattern of waking about twice to nurse and going straight back to sleep for the

past several months. Well, the past three nights, she has been very restless,

wakes up every 30 minutes to an hour, won't nurse or go back to sleep until I

rock in her in the living room. She has four teeth but is not currently teething

(and never did this when teething) and is not ill, no diaper rash, etc. I have

wondered if this is related to the FAB. I have lengthened the bar and it is

exactly the length of her shoulders (from the outside of her shoulders),

measuring from middle bolt to middle bolt on the shoes, which is 9 inches.

Keeping the bar the width of her shoulders has always worked for her in the

past. Her shoes are getting small in length for her and her toes have just begun

to stick over the ends a bit but the width seems fine

and she has o red marks or any other indication that they are bothering her. I

am stumped. In desperation, I took off the FAB about 2:30 am last night and she

did sleep somewhat better but was still restless. I put it back on at 7 am. I am

trying to figure out the cause of her problems so I can address it. I am a

walking zombie. Any thoughts or help? Thanks,

Carol