Re: High Meat/Dairy diet Linked to Stomach/Esophagal Cancer/...

[Guest guest]

Now, I really do think that they do these studies just to terrify people. I

believe that esophageal and stomach cancers are more related to tobacco and

tobacco products. If 30% of the people with these cancers were " meat eaters "

what were the other 70%; and if 35% were dairy drinkers what were the other

65%? They also said that heavy meat eaters were also the milk drinkers - -

so where does that leave you? If one is also eating fiber products that

would cancel out some, yes? Some of these things have been traced to length

of time the food was in the digestive system - now if the system is partially

bypassed (and some people seem to be eliminating their meals very quickly)

wouldn't that, too, lessen the risk? I think there are far too many

variables for the " scientists " to make such a claim.

And all this leads to a question (as usual) what about edamame and soy

protein? Is it ok after DS? I love steamed edamame and it is filled with

protein.

I hope no one panics about this report. Higher risk for some cancers

and other problems come from being obese - so it's all a trade off. Ann

[Guest guest]

I agree with you, Ann. I think its more scare tactics than anything. I

noticed that I dont really eat more meat now than I used to....I always add

fruit and vegetables to my meals....(except breakfast)

I think there is higher risk for those who have not had surgery as our

plumbing has been rerouted and we dont absorb everything. I notice if I eat

dinner at 6, Ive eliminated that dinner by midnight!!

Everything is a trade off here......

Judie

[Guest guest]

(and some people seem to be eliminating their meals very quickly)

> > And all this leads to a question (as usual) what about

edamame and soy

> protein? Is it ok after DS? I love steamed edamame and it is

filled with

> protein.

> I hope no one panics about this report. Higher risk for some

cancers

> and other problems come from being obese - so it's all a trade off.

Ann: The study did not cover vegetable protein only animal protein

(meats). Of course no one should be 'alarmed' but it certainly is

something to watch out for and, if we are in a higher risk group, we

should be adequately tested to look out for these things.

Since this surgery has only 'limited' long term studies, there are

many things we still do NOT know about it and about long term (over 10

years) consequences.

No one said anything about not having 'tradeoffs'. However, stomach

cancer is a particularly fatal sort and if we are at higher risk and

it is caught early, this should be done, IMHO.

Also, would it be possible to 'negate' some of the effects of eating

more animal proteins/dairy by increasing fresh vegetable consumption

along with it?

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. GAgner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 194 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squeezin

[Guest guest]

> I agree with you, Ann. I think its more scare tactics than

anything. I

> noticed that I dont really eat more meat now than I used to....I

always add

> fruit and vegetables to my meals....(except breakfast)

> I think there is higher risk for those who have not had surgery as

our

> plumbing has been rerouted and we dont absorb everything. I notice

if I eat

> dinner at 6, Ive eliminated that dinner by midnight!!

> Everything is a trade off here......

Judie: I don't think the scientists are trying to 'scare' anyone

(unless they are secret agents for Veggie Universe or something LOL).

I personally consume a MUCH higher rate of animal protein than I did

pre-op. I now derive a majority of my protein from meat/dairy. So,

this study is particuarly interesting for me.

I don't think the risk would be higher for anyone whose intestines

haven't been arranged --- The stomach processes EVERYTHING consumed

before it even doesn't get absorbed or gets absorbed.

I have bms once/twice a day in the a.m. upon waking -- so the food

does not travel through my system as fast.

I'm very interested to see what Dr. Gagner has to say about this link

(however tenuous or premature). I will certainly add more fresh

veggies (and fruit) to my post-op diet (especially when I consume

meat/dairy). I also will see what kind of pre-emptive measures can be

taken and/or testing done to ensure that if I DO encounter this type

of cancer it can be caught and cured in the early stages. I would

want the same regardless of whether I had the DS or not.

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

10 months post-op and still feelin' fabu

preop: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 194 lbs/bmi 28/size sweet 16 but squ