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as everyone knows I take hepatico for my hep-c but I do keep track of my viral load and my alt and my ast. My ast and alt are lower than in years but I go by my viral load also since that is what the doctors are most concerned about here in Phoenix. My als and ast seem to fluxate but not allot. I hope this helps but I am sure there will be more answers to your question.

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-----Original Message-----From: [mailto:rvf263@...]Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: [ ] help???hello everyone, I would like to know how can you tell how active hep-C is in your blood? Is it from the bloodwork tests??? do they judge it from the level of your platelet count????is it from your protime level?? or some other level high or low??? where in your bloodwork does it actually show you have hep-C????I was just curious.....thanks for the help and support....

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, the only quantitative test I know of is the

PCR. This will tell you how much of the virus is

present. That doesn't necessarily correlate with the

damage it has done, a liver biopsy is the only way I

know they can accurately assess amount of liver

damage. -dz-

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> hello everyone, I would like to know how can you

> tell how active hep-

> C is in your blood? Is it from the bloodwork

> tests??? do they judge

> it from the level of your platelet count????is it

> from your protime

> level?? or some other level high or low??? where in

> your bloodwork

> does it actually show you have hep-C????

> I was just curious.....thanks for the help and

> support....

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Hi

There are blood tests that check for the hepc virus. All of the tests

mentioned in your post can be clues that hepc or some other liver damaging

problem might exist.

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> hello everyone, I would like to know how can you tell how active hep-

> C is in your blood? Is it from the bloodwork tests??? do they judge

> it from the level of your platelet count????is it from your protime

> level?? or some other level high or low??? where in your bloodwork

> does it actually show you have hep-C????

> I was just curious.....thanks for the help and support....

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You want to know how I found out?? I was in an accident in 1999 and went to the hosp.... also for other things I thought were something else besides Hep C and the Dr. said they ran a Hep C test but not to worry he didn't think I had it. I said me either I just know I am exhausted all the time for some reason. I left and a month later the Health Unit called me and said Oh do you realize you have Hep C?? I asked a few questions they refused to answer but they kept saying I really needed to make a return appt. with a Dr. Scared me to death!! First of all how can a health unit have the right to call and scare someone like that and second how do they have the right to ask yu if you were ever a drug user?? I can see telling a Dr. that but not a public health unit.

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Hi , Usually the first indication that something is wrong with the liver is an elevation in liver enzymes which would show in your blood work. This does not necessarily mean a person has hepatitis c, but just means they need to take a further look to see why the enzymes are elevated. There are specific things in blood that would show a person has hepatitis c--they first find out the genotype and also do a viral load test which shows the amount of virus in the body. A liver biopsy is usually done also which would show the degree of liver damage. Usually treatment options are discussed after this. I hope this helps. Sherry [ ] help??? hello everyone, I would like to know how can you tell how active hep-C is in your blood? Is it from the bloodwork tests??? do they judgeit from the level of your platelet count????is it from your protimelevel?? or some other level high or low??? where in your bloodworkdoes it actually show you have hep-C????I was just curious.....thanks for the help and support....

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I believe the dr is required to notify the health

dept. They can ask all they want, you don't have to

tell them. My dr assured me that he didn't have to and

would not report how I got hcv, it actually usually

would be unknown, even though many of us have a pretty

good idea. I think it unethical that dr did not notify

you before the health dept. -dz-

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> You want to know how I found out?? I was in an

> accident in 1999 and went to

> the hosp.... also for other things I thought were

> something else besides Hep

> C and the Dr. said they ran a Hep C test but not to

> worry he didn't think I

> had it. I said me either I just know I am exhausted

> all the time for some

> reason. I left and a month later the Health Unit

> called me and said Oh do you

> realize you have Hep C?? I asked a few questions

> they refused to answer but

> they kept saying I really needed to make a return

> appt. with a Dr. Scared me

> to death!! First of all how can a health unit have

> the right to call and

> scare someone like that and second how do they have

> the right to ask yu if

> you were ever a drug user?? I can see telling a Dr.

> that but not a public

> health unit.

>

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Hi ,

I'm sorry you're feeling so bad. I see you've been a member of the group since

the beginning of March. Since you don't give any information about how far along

into the program you are, it's hard to give you concrete advice on how to help

your symptoms. The excess mucous is definitely A die-off symptom. If you delved

headlong into the program, eliminating foods too quickly, it's possible you need

to back off and add back some of the foods that you've eliminated. If you are

taking a lot of coconut oil, it's possible you're taking way too much too fast

and need to back off of that somewhat. Again, it's very hard to advise you since

we don't have any details about where you are in the program.

Since you're experiencing a lot of excess mucous you might want to read this

article on Sinus Treatments. Something here might help you feel better:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/sinus4.php

Also, read this article about die off symptoms, and you can reassure your

husband that what is going on with you is a totally natural part of natural

healing:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal2.php

This article gives you some other ideas on how to treat die-off symptoms:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/help1.php

and as always, if you really are concerned and feel you need to see a doctor,

please do so. The doctor may indeed prescribe some sort of medicine but that

doesn't' mean you have to fill the prescription.

I hope that helps,

jackie

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> Hello,

>

> I have been sick now for almost 3 weeks!!!

> blowing/coughing up mucous/sputum.... body aches, sinus infections.

> i swear i've never been so sick for this long in my life!!

> could someone PLEASE give me some kind of remedy to get rid of this stuff?? i

don't know how much more i can take. my hubby wants to send me to the Dr. to get

meds...but it will be antibiotic, which will just make it worse.

> IMO, i was healthier before i started this diet.

> please help!!

> Thanks in advance,

> N.

>

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Hello again,

boy, do i feel even worse this morning. I sorta cheated yesterday cause i was so

tired of eating only veggies and meat. so, i had some milk, toast, chips and

fruit. (i know naughty!!)

morning i woke up w/ a fever of 100.8, even more body aches, and coughing up

blood. Are these die off symptoms cause i ate a bunch of " bad stuff " --- is that

why i got worse???

Needless to say, i really think i'm going to urgent care today.

as for where i am on the program, we didn't rush into it, in fact we still don't

even have ALL the vitamins recommended. Mostly been taking vit. c, vit. d,

coconut oil, and raw garlic, and adding raw onions to the salad. Lots of eggs,

and some organic butter as well.

we had gotten rid of dairy and breads/sweets, and we were working on getting rid

of fruit....but i keep " cheating " about once a week. maybe this is why i've been

" sick " for so long?

anyway, that's about all about me.

As for my breastfeeding baby, i don't know what he's going through body wise,

but he's been acting really irritated lately. and a lot of mucus (still--the

same amount of time as me)

As for my husband, who is doing better on the diet then i am---NOTHING! so not

fair...

Same for my 8 yr. old--who isn't as strictly on the diet either (i don't want

him losing weight--but i've noticed the dark circles under his eyes have gotten

better)

as for doses:

2 TBS of coconut oil, daily

1 vit d3 1000 iu daily (2 for me)

1 vit c 500 mg daily

1 omega3 fish oil pill 1000mg daily

1.5 clove of raw garlic (1 sm. one for my 8 yr old.)

Still haven't incorporated nutritional flakes yet (yuck!)

( i know we're not taking the correct amounts, but i figure something is better

then nothing, we're not made of money)

That's about it, and hope it gives you the background/info. you need :0)

Thanks in advance for all your help.

~ N.

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> Hi ,

>

> I'm sorry you're feeling so bad. I see you've been a member of the group since

the beginning of March. Since you don't give any information about how far along

into the program you are, it's hard to give you concrete advice on how to help

your symptoms. The excess mucous is definitely A die-off symptom. If you delved

headlong into the program, eliminating foods too quickly, it's possible you need

to back off and add back some of the foods that you've eliminated. If you are

taking a lot of coconut oil, it's possible you're taking way too much too fast

and need to back off of that somewhat. Again, it's very hard to advise you since

we don't have any details about where you are in the program.

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> Hello again,

>

> boy, do i feel even worse this morning. I sorta cheated yesterday cause i was

so tired of eating only veggies and meat. so, i had some milk, toast, chips and

fruit. (i know naughty!!)

> morning i woke up w/ a fever of 100.8, even more body aches, and coughing up

blood. Are these die off symptoms cause i ate a bunch of " bad stuff " --- is that

why i got worse???

+++Hi . If you are coughing up blood go to emergency right away!!!

+++Yes you got worse because of eating " bad stuff! "

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> as for doses:

> 2 TBS of coconut oil, daily

> 1 vit d3 1000 iu daily (2 for me)

> 1 vit c 500 mg daily

> 1 omega3 fish oil pill 1000mg daily

> 1.5 clove of raw garlic (1 sm. one for my 8 yr old.)

+++It is way too soon to give your 8 year old garlic - you wait until after

he/she can take 2 tablespoons of coconut oil without getting severe die-off

symptoms.

+++I think you are confused about Fish Oil and Vitamin D - you take fish oil for

omega 3 plus vitamin A when you get enough sun exposure. Also you need to take

more than 1,000 mg daily of omega 3.

+++If you don't get enough sun exposure you wouldn't take vitamin D since the

sun makes it on your skin, in which case you need to take cod liver oil which

contains omega 3, and vitamins A & D - see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/cod2.php

>

> Still haven't incorporated nutritional flakes yet (yuck!)

+++They actually taste kinda nutty, so they aren't unpleasant to take.

Bee

P.S. , would you please " trim your messages? " You were emailed instructions

when you joined this group, and they are posted on the group every 2 weeks -

search for Message #68009. Thanks a lot!

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Hi ,

Besides what Bee has already written, I had a couple of other observations after

reading your post:

>Are these die off symptoms cause i ate a bunch of " bad stuff " --- is that why i

got worse???

no. What you did by eating so many off plan foods was feed your candida

overgrowth. Your symptoms came from that, not die-off. Die-off comes when you

are giving your body good healing foods to build up the immune system and reign

in the candida overgrowth. They may feel similar, but they are different.

> Needless to say, i really think i'm going to urgent care today.

>

> as for where i am on the program, we didn't rush into it, in fact we still

don't even have ALL the vitamins recommended. Mostly been taking vit. c, vit. d,

coconut oil, and raw garlic, and adding raw >onions to the salad. Lots of eggs,

and some organic butter as well.

if you aren't totally on the plan yet it is too early to be taking raw garlic.

That is added farther into the program. As well, eggs and onions contain sulfur

which is anti-fungal so they will be causing die-off symptoms. Coconut Oil is

also a strong anti-fungal so it will cause die-off as well.

>

> we had gotten rid of dairy and breads/sweets, and we were working on getting

rid of fruit....but i keep " cheating " about once a week. maybe this is why i've

been " sick " for so long?

>

it's hard to say if the fruit cheat is your issue. Every person's body responds

differently.

>

> As for my husband, who is doing better on the diet then i

>am---NOTHING! so not fair...

as I said, every person's body responds differently. Don't compare yourself and

your symptoms to those of your husband. Just continue working your way into all

phases of the plan.

Please let us know what the doctor says.

jackie

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Our first night was not successful when sleeping, he was awake every 30-45 min

and his helmet was either completely over his eyes and almost over his nose or

it was sideways. I am guessing he is a wiggle worm when sleeping. There are no

red marks on his head from wearing it... It this normal or eventually will it

stop moving around?

Day 6

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I dont know which band you went with but our son is a DOC band grad.. For the

first I would say 4 or 5 days he woke up every 30-45 mins and then we would get

him and then he would fall back asleep and we would put him back in his crib and

start all over again. His Doc band did come down a little over his eye because

of where the holding points where but eventually once there was more for the

band to hold to it stopped moving so much. It took us a bit to figure out what

to put him in at night with the band too because he got so warm with the band.

Once we figured that all out and he got a little more comfortable with the band

the sleeping went back to normal. My husband and I both said that its got to be

weird with that on their heads, its like sleeping with a motorcycle helmet on

your head. It will get better, once they get comfortable with it...Good Luck!!

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> Our first night was not successful when sleeping, he was awake every 30-45 min

and his helmet was either completely over his eyes and almost over his nose or

it was sideways. I am guessing he is a wiggle worm when sleeping. There are no

red marks on his head from wearing it... It this normal or eventually will it

stop moving around?

>

> Day 6

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My Hanger band was way too big too and they added a pad in the back. it really isn't suppose to hang over the eyes. Once the extra pad was in place it never did that again. I get this feeling Hanger makes 'em big to be grown into. :/ Considering I didn't have time for growing into it it didn't make me happy but things are ok now.From: "jamiewells2110@..." <jamiewells2110@...>To:

Plagiocephaly Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 5:17:07 AMSubject: Re: Help???

Its a helmet from Hanger. We are going today to get it adjusted.. Hope this works we live 2 hours away so I would hate to there every other day.. Thanks for the info

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> What kind of helmet is it? I know a DOC Band is not supposed to be over the eyes or to the side. Ours would slightly settle over his eyebrow and the tech would adjust it until it stopped doing that. Toward the end of the week between visits, it would settle again a little over the eye but it was still pretty snug. Our baby is a wiggle worm too and the helmet managed to stay in place.

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I think they ignored me the first time and when I went in again a week later they took me more serious. Not sure why. Squeaky wheel?From: "jamiewells2110@..." <jamiewells2110@...>Plagiocephaly Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 3:37:31 PMSubject: Re:

Help???

That is what they told me today when I took it in for adjustment. So no luck for us either I guess we will see and I hope he grows into it soon, because it scary to me at night when it moves, and turns.

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> > What kind of helmet is it? I know a DOC Band is not supposed to be over the

> >eyes or to the side. Ours would slightly settle over his eyebrow and the tech

> >would adjust it until it stopped doing that. Toward the end of the week between

> >visits, it would settle again a little over the eye but it was still pretty

> >snug. Our baby is a wiggle worm too and the helmet managed to stay in place.

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Yea I am hoping it won't happen again because we have a 2 hour drive one way...

I am not looking forward to the next 3-6 months driving there for our 2 weeks

check ups, and then if something comes up in between.

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> > > What kind of helmet is it? I know a DOC Band is not supposed to be over

the

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> > >eyes or to the side. Ours would slightly settle over his eyebrow and the

tech

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> > >would adjust it until it stopped doing that. Toward the end of the week

> >between

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> > >visits, it would settle again a little over the eye but it was still pretty

> > >snug. Our baby is a wiggle worm too and the helmet managed to stay in

place.

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ouch :( next closest away from me is an hour but only Hanger otherwise I might have gone with a different brand but the closest doc I think is 6 hours away. :/From: "jamiewells2110@..." <jamiewells2110@...>Plagiocephaly Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 6:59:34 PMSubject: Re: Help???

Yea I am hoping it won't happen again because we have a 2 hour drive one way... I am not looking forward to the next 3-6 months driving there for our 2 weeks check ups, and then if something comes up in between.

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> > > What kind of helmet is it? I know a DOC Band is not supposed to be over the

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> > >eyes or to the side. Ours would slightly settle over his eyebrow and the tech

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> > >would adjust it until it stopped doing that. Toward the end of the week

> >between

> >

> > >visits, it would settle again a little over the eye but it was still pretty

> > >snug. Our baby is a wiggle worm too and the helmet managed to stay in place.

> > >

> >

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You said she had lots of pain yesterday, was that stomach pain or joint pain?

The Naproxin could have taken care of the inflamation and pain for a while and

now that it is out of her system could come back. Also, any illness could cause

a flare. Talk to her and find out where her pain is and document it. If one

ankle or knee hurts, compair it to the other one. Look to see if you notice any

swelling in her joints. As you are in the process of possibly getting a

diagnosis be sure to document everything. When the pain is there, how often it

is there. If you notice swelling or rash or anything out of the ordinary. Also

be sure to document that she had the tummy flu and that her pain came before the

flu. How long did it all last? I don't know how old your daughter is, but if

she is old enough to communicate the where and when of her pain, ask her.

Sometimes my daughter did not necessarily have pain but certain joints felt odd

or different then the other ones. The one thing you need to do is document,

document. If you see painful, swollen, or red joints try to take a picture.

Inevitibly by the time you see the doctor again it will not look the same.

Veri & Jaye 17 poly

help???

My daughter was on naproxen for 5 wks for possible JRA in her right knee and

ankle. During the 5wks she had no pain... and would have pain several times a

week for the past 2 yrs. We took her off the med 7 days ago due to stomach

issues from it. She did good up until yesterday.. lots of pain.. lots of waking

up crying in pain. she did come down with the stomach flu early this AM. Any

correlation?

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To answer your ?'s. My 6y year old has never had any noticeable swelling or any

redness. Just a very bad right leg for 3 years. Lots of crying abou it. Saw a

Rheumy two months ago for the first time. She said she could tell that lef felt

different and was longer in length. Xrays were normal. She told us to try

naproxen once a day until we saw her again in 3 months. My daughter has

digestive problems already... has a gtube for supplemental feeding as she cant

tolerate fructose or sucrose. The naproxen was really starting to increase her

digestive issues.. reflux. She was on it for 5 wks and she never complained once

of her leg. It was amazing. We have now been off the naproxen for 8 dyas. She

first started complaining about it on Saturday. Then all night Sat. night. THen

Sunday AM she had the tummy flu that my son and husband just got over. Her leg

was terribly hurting during her tummy flu. We started back on the naproxen last

night and no pain today.

>

>

> You said she had lots of pain yesterday, was that stomach pain or joint pain?

The Naproxin could have taken care of the inflamation and pain for a while and

now that it is out of her system could come back. Also, any illness could cause

a flare. Talk to her and find out where her pain is and document it. If one

ankle or knee hurts, compair it to the other one. Look to see if you notice any

swelling in her joints. As you are in the process of possibly getting a

diagnosis be sure to document everything. When the pain is there, how often it

is there. If you notice swelling or rash or anything out of the ordinary. Also

be sure to document that she had the tummy flu and that her pain came before the

flu. How long did it all last? I don't know how old your daughter is, but if

she is old enough to communicate the where and when of her pain, ask her.

Sometimes my daughter did not necessarily have pain but certain joints felt odd

or different then the other ones. The one thing you need to do is document,

document. If you see painful, swollen, or red joints try to take a picture.

Inevitibly by the time you see the doctor again it will not look the same.

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> Veri & Jaye 17 poly

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> My daughter was on naproxen for 5 wks for possible JRA in her right knee and

ankle. During the 5wks she had no pain... and would have pain several times a

week for the past 2 yrs. We took her off the med 7 days ago due to stomach

issues from it. She did good up until yesterday.. lots of pain.. lots of waking

up crying in pain. she did come down with the stomach flu early this AM. Any

correlation?

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The naproxin can certainly cause the gi issues to get worse. Call the rheumy

and let them know. do not wait for three months on this med if you are seeing

problems. You can add prevacid, or something to help with that but let your

rheumy know you need something. The rheumy may be willing to change the nsaid

but one nsaid that causes problems with gi will very likely give the same prob

with the next nsaid. So let us know.

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help???

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> My daughter was on naproxen for 5 wks for possible JRA in her right knee and

ankle. During the 5wks she had no pain... and would have pain several times a

week for the past 2 yrs. We took her off the med 7 days ago due to stomach

issues from it. She did good up until yesterday.. lots of pain.. lots of waking

up crying in pain. she did come down with the stomach flu early this AM. Any

correlation?

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Called the rheumy. We were off it for 9 days and now her leg is bad again. We

are going back on it and see her next week.

Re: help???

To answer your ?'s. My 6y year old has never had any noticeable swelling or any

redness. Just a very bad right leg for 3 years. Lots of crying abou it. Saw a

Rheumy two months ago for the first time. She said she could tell that lef felt

different and was longer in length. Xrays were normal. She told us to try

naproxen once a day until we saw her again in 3 months. My daughter has

digestive problems already... has a gtube for supplemental feeding as she cant

tolerate fructose or sucrose. The naproxen was really starting to increase her

digestive issues.. reflux. She was on it for 5 wks and she never complained once

of her leg. It was amazing. We have now been off the naproxen for 8 dyas. She

first started complaining about it on Saturday. Then all night Sat. night. THen

Sunday AM she had the tummy flu t

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good, I am glad you get to see her next week. If you have questions be sure to

ask.

Veri

Re: help???

To answer your ?'s. My 6y year old has never had any noticeable swelling or any

redness. Just a very bad right leg for 3 years. Lots of crying abou it. Saw a

Rheumy two months ago for the first time. She said she could tell that lef felt

different and was longer in length. Xrays were normal. She told us to try

naproxen once a day until we saw her again in 3 months. My daughter has

digestive problems already... has a gtube for supplemental feeding as she cant

tolerate fructose or sucrose. The naproxen was really starting to increase her

digestive issues.. reflux. She was on it for 5 wks and she never complained once

of her leg. It was amazing. We have now been off the naproxen for 8 dyas. She

first started complaining about it on Saturday. Then all night Sat. night. THen

Sunday AM she had the tummy flu t

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