Re: my original post - please r e a d

[Guest guest]

Carole,

What so many of the people who are looking at RNY don't realize is,... they

don't all 'dump' because of sugar. Some are able to eat sugar with any

problem whatsoever. I know this for a fact because one of my friends had the

RNY in June, and she had some problems with sugar at first, and now she has

none. Other people I have meet in RNY support meeting have also stated they

have no problems with sugar either. So to pick RNY because you want to dump

on sugar, is just not a valid reason.

Sheri

Lap/open DS 9/28/01

Dr Herron/Mt Sinai/NYC

[Guest guest]

Good Gawd, isn't this thread dead yet? At least, I think I see a

dead horse outside...it seems to be brutally beaten about the head

and body...

Looking for hands to hold, everybody sing...Kumbyahhhhh

Laffing,

Amy

12/5/01

Dr. Jossart

> Ok, everyone..............knock yourself out............try

*reading* what

> this woman said in response to my telling her she might want to

check out the

> DS. This is how this whole thing started (and also because

graydowney

> thought

**snip**

[Guest guest]

Kumbyahhhh...I've got my hand out. Chris

In duodenalswitch@y..., " Amy " <aimtall@y...> wrote:

> Good Gawd, isn't this thread dead yet? At least, I think I see a

> dead horse outside...it seems to be brutally beaten about the head

> and body...

>

> Looking for hands to hold, everybody sing...Kumbyahhhhh

>

>

>

> Laffing,

>

>

> Amy

> 12/5/01

> Dr. Jossart

>

>

>

>

>

> > Ok, everyone..............knock yourself out............try

> *reading* what

> > this woman said in response to my telling her she might want to

> check out the

> > DS. This is how this whole thing started (and also because

> graydowney

> > thought

>

> **snip**

[Guest guest]

Carole,

Deep Breath girlfriend. Seriously, I don't think you have said

anything out of line and that either Jean or myself were responding

to you.

I think its the whole general RNY vs DS controversy. If you choose

between the two, you do so for your own reasons, and the RNY sure

wouldn't be my choice. All I was saying was that not everyone has

the opportunity to choose betweeen two, and those who got stuck with

the RNY were because that was the best thing in their universe at the

time. That's all.

Soft hugs,

Theresa

DS 11-19-01

Dr. Jossart

-12#s

> Ok, everyone..............knock yourself out............try

*reading* what

> this woman said in response to my telling her she might want to

check out the

> DS. This is how this whole thing started (and also because

graydowney

> thought I was terrible to be critical of the RNY).

> WHERE in this email does it say that I criticize people who only

know about

> the RNY and have no way of knowing about the DS?

> I think if you READ this you will see, this woman KNEW about DS and

CHOSE RNY

> *because* she WANTED to DUMP!

>

>

> Date: Sat Nov 24, 2001 3:14 pm

> Subject: believe it or not!

>

>

> I am on a list that is primarily RNY people. There are a few who

mention

> that they are new to the list or still waiting for ins approval or

a date.

> To those, if I think they are not immediately ready for surgery, or

have

> already had it, I send links about DS, with a quick note

saying " you might

> want to check this out " just in case they haven't already heard of

it, and I

> always say " good luck no matter what you decide. " Well, here is a

portion of

> a return email I got back..........and this is not the first time I

have had

> this reaction from people. It *amazes* me that some people *want*

rny so

> they can *suffer*. I just don't *get it!* I guess they really

bought into

> the fact that their over-weight is a result of their *relationship*

to food

> and their *badness*. They KNOW they are getting a " tool " and not

a " fix " for

> their problem and they are signing up for *dieting* the rest of

their

> lives......I just cannot imagine it. They also post a lot about

starting to

> *gain* and having to *diet* and *watch* what they eat more

closely....I have

> seen posts about meat tenderizer and even papaya tablets to help

with the

> clogging of the stomah.

> What gives with these people??? I guess misery loves company and

they like

> being members of the " misery club " where they can commisserate with

each

> other about not eating raw fruits and veggies, etc.

> Anyway, just goes to show you some people actually *choose* to get

the RNY

> to suffer!!!!!!!

> here is a portion of the email I got back........

>

> " I have been looking into WSL for several months now, and I have

read quite a

> bit about both the RNY and the DS procedures. While certainly I

want the

> insurance to pay for the surgery, that has not been my primary

reason for my

> decision to select the RNY procedure.

>

> For me, I WANT something that will change my relationship with food

and how

> I eat. I am hoping that I will respond to too many sugar grams or

too much

> fat with severe dumping. I don't want to eat those things anymore,

but I

> need some help to stop.

>

> I think each person goes into the WLS with different needs and

goals. I also

> think there are pros and cons of each procedure. The trick is

matching up

> our own needs and goals with a surgery's benefits and drawbacks for

the best

> " fit " so to speak. I think that is what I have done for myself and

I trust

> that is what you have done, too. "

>

> Amazing, isn't it?

> Carole