Whey protein powder

December 5, 2006

My understanding (very limtied at this point) is that lactose is not allowed on

the SCD. So,

why is whey isolate protein powder (which is 99.9% lactose free in high quality

products) not

allowed on the diet?

Chris

December 5, 2006

>

> My understanding (very limtied at this point) is that lactose is not allowed

on the SCD.

So,

> why is whey isolate protein powder (which is 99.9% lactose free in high

quality products)

not

> allowed on the diet?

>

> Chris

>

Elaine writes:

I am fully aware of how much whey protein is being pushed (hyped). I spent

considerable

time a few years ago corresponding by snail mail with the HIV and AIDS

organizations in

New York City when they asked me about it. I told them the little that I know

and that is

that through the years, the protein in whey has always been considered to be an

inferior

protein for human consumption. Years ago, we knew it contained the more

antigenic

proteins in the milk and we also knew that Depts of Agriculture were promoting

that whey

(a waste product from cheese manufacture) be turned into a moneymaking

commodity.

More recently, whey protein hypers claim that whey protein contains a factor

that has to

do with insulin but I have forgotten the details except to read in literature

that these very

factors being hyped are, in fact, having a negative effect on sick people.

So my answer to you is that I do not like it.

Originally from the Long Island listserve.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

December 6, 2006

Thanks for providing Elaine's reply. However, it isn't really a

satisfactory explanation (in my opinion) of why whey protein wouldn't

be considered a good protein source. There is abundant research that

indicates quality whey protein can raise glutathione levels and

stimulate regulatory mechanisms in the immune system. It is also

highly bioavailable (absorbable), much more so than meat or other

dairy products. In the early days, whey protein concentrates were

the only whey supplements available. I agree that these could

potentially be difficult to digest. But with new ultra-flow and

cross-flow membrane techniques, whey isolates are 99.9% fat and

lactose free and are much more digestible. I wonder if this type of

whey was even around when Elaine wrote that.

December 7, 2006

Hi Kresser,

<< Thanks for providing Elaine's reply. However, it isn't really a

> satisfactory explanation (in my opinion) of why whey protein

wouldn't be considered a good protein source. There is abundant

research that indicates quality whey protein can raise glutathione

levels and stimulate regulatory mechanisms in the immune system. It

is also

> highly bioavailable (absorbable), much more so than meat or other

> dairy products. In the early days, whey protein concentrates were

> the only whey supplements available. I agree that these could

> potentially be difficult to digest. But with new ultra-flow and

> cross-flow membrane techniques, whey isolates are 99.9% fat and

> lactose free and are much more digestible. I wonder if this type

of whey was even around when Elaine wrote that.

Yes, this was around. Elaine probably wrote the first post in 2002-

2003. Here is a more recent post that came after the info that Carol

sent you (maybe 2003-2004?, sorry, I'm not sure on the exact date):

" First of all, I do believe I have a section on my website about whey -

with lactose or not.

It is an inferior protein. Having watched a lot of history unfolding,

I hate to see you parents being used for economic gain. For many

years, whey, a byproduct of cheese manufacture was dumped wherever

possible - most of the time in farmers' creeks. Because it contained

so much carbohydrate (lactose) it caused bacteria to ferment it

vigorously and the stench was horrendous. Farmers complained for miles

around. Finally, the Dept. of Agriculture decided to turn another

waste product into money and posted all sorts of new bulletins about

how wonderful whey was. In biochemistry, we learn it is an inferior

protein and one which is most apt to cause allergic reactions. Perhaps

those promoting it do not know biochemistry nor history but this is my

take on whey anything. The best protein is casein - as my website

tells you, it was ued by developing countries (as well as

industrialized countries) as the best protein to help children dying

from diarrhea from cholera, etc. to regain health. Those who do not

know history are doomed to live through the same mistakes. "

Elaine continued researching up to the summer of 2005, constantly

looking into all aspects of diet.

I think the important part of her post is that she wrote " In

biochemistry, we learn it is an inferior protein and one which is most

apt to cause allergic reactions. Perhaps those promoting it do not

know biochemistry nor history but this is my take on whey anything. "

I recently went through this while looking for a good cod liver oil.

I spoke to a naturopath who is quite " up " on all the latest info,

treatments etc.. She insisted that I needed L- glutamin acid to heal

my bowel walls , that fish oil and flax oil would be better than

taking CLO etc. I told her that along with UC I have Poly cystic

ovarian disease and she said these were the most impt. supplements for

me to get well and put back on the weight.

Instead of purchasing anything I went home and researched all the

supplements in depth, right down to the biochemistry and

interactions. It seems that the flax oil is contraindicated for those

with hormone issues and can make them worse. If I had believed the

current wisdom and claims on these products to be the new wonder drugs

I probably would have ended up with a hysterectomy and a colostomy.

So, I chucked her advice , went back to BTVC, picked up the CLO

amounts Elaine recommended and put the weight back on myself.

I do not know if the new techniques have removed the allergenic

tendencies of whey, but I would be concerned because with a

compromised immune system (constipation and yeast) you may end up

fuerther irritating the bowel or triggering a different immune

response in the body that some other microbe could take advantage of.

You may want to research this yourself to see if the allergens remain

in whey protein powder.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 22yrs

December 7, 2006

Sheila,

I have been interested in this little thread because pycnogenol was recommended

for iel on Mon. during my phone conference with our dan to discuss some

lab restults, and what to do about them. I'm concerned that this

antiinflamatory fits into the category that you guys are discussing. Please

read the email that I've pasted in below, and let me know what you

think...should I be concerned, cautious to use it, ect. Thanks.

Meleah

Hi Meleah,

I think a few things got confused-

1-pycnogenol (the thing that startes with P) is an antiinflammatory

2-The lactoferrin is a gut healer and immune modulator. this is the one that

contains whey.

3-Dairy is technically allowed on SCD, it is the ASD community that avoids it

due to the gfcf issues. I have seen whey be very healing, but usually do

not introduce it for 6 months. You are just about there.

VK

Block quote start

iel powder

Hi Vikki,

I was planning to email you for the name of the thing that starts with P that

you wanted to have iel start taking. You said it promotes great gut

healing. I remembered you saying that it has whey in it, and this came up on my

scd e-group today. I didn't know that whey protein is scd illegal, and

I'm not sure that I want to start iel on it right now. The prescription

antiviral is not scd legal, so I'm kind of concerned about having another

scd illegal item in his routine. I am neurotic about not letting iel

ingest scd illegal products, and don't want to use them unless absolutely

necessary.

Read the writing of Elaine below, and let me know what you think. Do we really

need to introduce this right away, or can we hold off to see how the other

add ins are doing?

Meleah

Re: Whey protein powder