Re: Loose stools since starting diet

[Guest guest]

Ughhhhhh! We seem to be having one problem after another! We started

the diet to try and eliminate my son's acid reflux. It has gotten

better for sure, but he still is wanting alka-seltzer and rolaids,

which I'm sure probably aren't legal. Since beginning the diet, my

son has had only loose stools, which I don't understand since he is

normally more of a constipated kid. He has been on the SCD for

8 days now. I know he has yeast and most likely problems with the

oxalates, but I don't understand why he is having loose stools when

he only wants bacon, almond cookies, grape juice and cheese. I really

have tried to get vegetables or fruits in him, but it's been a battle.

He won't eat green beans, peas, squash pancakes, fried zuchinni,or

anything that I've offered him. It's getting pretty frustrating. In

fact, all he ate today was four almond cookies. He hasn't ate much

in the last 3 days, partly because I think he has pretty bad pain when

he has a BM. After he goes, which , like I said is like water, he sits

their and says " owh,owh,owh, bottom hurts inside. Is it possible he

is plugged up, and all that is coming out is what is getting around

the obstruction? Next week we begin his cleanout with Mirilax for

four days prior to his scoping. I am concerned about his pain, and

then having to get a colonoscopy. Like I said we did this about

three years ago for 8 months, and had troubles with constipation,

not loose stools. This certainly is not going as planned! Anyone

have any ideas as to what could be going on? Patti G.

[Guest guest]

Always be suspicious if the child is self limiting. I wouldn't give nut flur

baked goods only eight days into the diet. Also, the bacon could be causing

loose stools due to the fat content. I'm wondering if these foods that he is

limiting himself to are feeding the bad gut bugs.

Meleah

Re: Loose stools since starting diet

Ughhhhhh! We seem to be having one problem after another! We started

the diet to try and eliminate my son's acid reflux. It has gotten

better for sure, but he still is wanting alka-seltzer and rolaids,

which I'm sure probably aren't legal. Since beginning the diet, my

son has had only loose stools, which I don't understand since he is

normally more of a constipated kid. He has been on the SCD for

8 days now. I know he has yeast and most likely problems with the

oxalates, but I don't understand why he is having loose stools when

he only wants bacon, almond cookies, grape juice and cheese. I really

have tried to get vegetables or fruits in him, but it's been a battle.

He won't eat green beans, peas, squash pancakes, fried zuchinni,or

anything that I've offered him. It's getting pretty frustrating. In

fact, all he ate today was four almond cookies. He hasn't ate much

in the last 3 days, partly because I think he has pretty bad pain when

he has a BM. After he goes, which , like I said is like water, he sits

their and says " owh,owh,owh, bottom hurts inside. Is it possible he

is plugged up, and all that is coming out is what is getting around

the obstruction? Next week we begin his cleanout with Mirilax for

four days prior to his scoping. I am concerned about his pain, and

then having to get a colonoscopy. Like I said we did this about

three years ago for 8 months, and had troubles with constipation,

not loose stools. This certainly is not going as planned! Anyone

have any ideas as to what could be going on? Patti G.

[Guest guest]

I agree with Meleah that something is wrong when a kid is self-limiting so much,

even to foods that are supposedly legal. I think that if you're still using the

Rolaids, he is probably " wanting " them because of the little bit of sugar or

starch that he's getting from them.

I don't know which Alka-Seltzer you're using, but some of the flavored ones can

certainly contain illegals, too. I don't think you're going to make much

headway until you get these out of the picture.... they just undermine any

effort you're trying to make with foods.

SCD just isn't a diet you can do *almost* all the way. You won't get the

desired result.

The loose stool *may* be his body detoxing and eliminating junk..... bacterial

colonies that have died off, etc.... although I suspect there are still plenty

of the bad guys thriving away down there at this point. They can subsist of

" just a little " starch and/or sugars.

For a beginner, in my opinion, bacon should not be on the menu.....

particularly a beginner that is only 8 days in. It may be legal (if you're

using one that is completely sugar free), but it's not advisable at this point.

Almond flour will tend to loosen the stool in the beginning.... which can be

helpful for a constipated kid, but you don't have that issue at present, so I'd

opt for pulling this out.

I honestly think you're going to have to start over with intro..... remove ALL

illegals, meaning the Rolaids and the Alka-Seltzer.

Googling " Rolaids Ingredients " brings up the following info:

<< Non-medicinal ingredients (alphabetically): Corn starch, dextrose, flavour,

magnesium stearate, polyethylene glycol, sucrose. >>

Corn starch, dextrose and sucrose. Favorite survival foods of gut pathogens.

You're just feeding THEM every time you give him one..... sorry to tell ya.

And even the most seemingly benign " plain " Alka Seltzer Gold, which contains no

aspirin or cold meds, and is often used just for tummy complaints, contains

mannitol, an illegal sweetener.

As far as him refusing to eat any of the other recommended beginner foods, you

definitely may have a food strike on your hands for a bit. You've got to decide,

draw the boundaries and simply not provide these more advanced foods as options.

He may strike.... he wouldn't be the first.... but almost every single

determined food striker we've seen on this list has eventually shocked his or

her parents by finally eating..... foods the parents never thought they would.

Prepare to be shocked!

For right now, though.... if you're unwilling or unable to stop giving him the

illegals, you will surely continue to struggle and wear yourself out due to

undermining your own efforts. I know you only have the best of intentions....

but this is the truth.

You *should* be able to replace the Alka-Seltzer and Rolaids with the SCD

Electrolyte Drink.... or even just a pinch of plain baking soda in his (diluted)

juice.

Patti

Re: Loose stools since starting diet

Ughhhhhh! We seem to be having one problem after another! We started

the diet to try and eliminate my son's acid reflux. It has gotten

better for sure, but he still is wanting alka-seltzer and rolaids,

which I'm sure probably aren't legal. Since beginning the diet, my

son has had only loose stools, which I don't understand since he is

normally more of a constipated kid. He has been on the SCD for

8 days now. I know he has yeast and most likely problems with the

oxalates, but I don't understand why he is having loose stools when

he only wants bacon, almond cookies, grape juice and cheese. I really

have tried to get vegetables or fruits in him, but it's been a battle.

He won't eat green beans, peas, squash pancakes, fried zuchinni,or

anything that I've offered him. It's getting pretty frustrating. In

fact, all he ate today was four almond cookies. He hasn't ate much

in the last 3 days, partly because I think he has pretty bad pain when

he has a BM. After he goes, which , like I said is like water, he sits

their and says " owh,owh,owh, bottom hurts inside. Is it possible he

is plugged up, and all that is coming out is what is getting around

the obstruction? Next week we begin his cleanout with Mirilax for

four days prior to his scoping. I am concerned about his pain, and

then having to get a colonoscopy. Like I said we did this about

three years ago for 8 months, and had troubles with constipation,

not loose stools. This certainly is not going as planned! Anyone

have any ideas as to what could be going on? Patti G.

[Guest guest]

Just a note: We made the electrolyte drink and diluted it with some

of his Welches juice and water and he took it with no problem.

Others had mentioned it tasting gross and this way he took it.

Off to the pediatrician's at 2 30 PM PST today. Will update upon our

return.

Kristie

>

> I agree with Meleah that something is wrong when a kid is self-

limiting so much, even to foods that are supposedly legal. I think

that if you're still using the Rolaids, he is probably " wanting "

them because of the little bit of sugar or starch that he's getting

from them.

>

> I don't know which Alka-Seltzer you're using, but some of the

flavored ones can certainly contain illegals, too. I don't think

you're going to make much headway until you get these out of the

picture.... they just undermine any effort you're trying to make

with foods.

>

> SCD just isn't a diet you can do *almost* all the way. You won't

get the desired result.

>

> The loose stool *may* be his body detoxing and eliminating

junk..... bacterial colonies that have died off, etc.... although

I suspect there are still plenty of the bad guys thriving away down

there at this point. They can subsist of " just a little " starch

and/or sugars.

>

> For a beginner, in my opinion, bacon should not be on the

menu..... particularly a beginner that is only 8 days in. It may

be legal (if you're using one that is completely sugar free), but

it's not advisable at this point.

>

> Almond flour will tend to loosen the stool in the beginning....

which can be helpful for a constipated kid, but you don't have that

issue at present, so I'd opt for pulling this out.

>

> I honestly think you're going to have to start over with

intro..... remove ALL illegals, meaning the Rolaids and the Alka-

Seltzer.

>

> Googling " Rolaids Ingredients " brings up the following info:

>

> << Non-medicinal ingredients (alphabetically): Corn starch,

dextrose, flavour, magnesium stearate, polyethylene glycol, sucrose.

>>

>

> Corn starch, dextrose and sucrose. Favorite survival foods of gut

pathogens. You're just feeding THEM every time you give him

one..... sorry to tell ya.

>

> And even the most seemingly benign " plain " Alka Seltzer Gold,

which contains no aspirin or cold meds, and is often used just for

tummy complaints, contains mannitol, an illegal sweetener.

>

> As far as him refusing to eat any of the other recommended

beginner foods, you definitely may have a food strike on your hands

for a bit. You've got to decide, draw the boundaries and simply not

provide these more advanced foods as options. He may strike.... he

wouldn't be the first.... but almost every single determined food

striker we've seen on this list has eventually shocked his or her

parents by finally eating..... foods the parents never thought they

would. Prepare to be shocked!

>

> For right now, though.... if you're unwilling or unable to stop

giving him the illegals, you will surely continue to struggle and

wear yourself out due to undermining your own efforts. I know you

only have the best of intentions.... but this is the truth.

>

> You *should* be able to replace the Alka-Seltzer and Rolaids with

the SCD Electrolyte Drink.... or even just a pinch of plain baking

soda in his (diluted) juice.

>

> Patti

>

> Re: Loose stools since starting diet

>

>

>

> Ughhhhhh! We seem to be having one problem after another! We

started

> the diet to try and eliminate my son's acid reflux. It has

gotten

> better for sure, but he still is wanting alka-seltzer and

rolaids,

> which I'm sure probably aren't legal. Since beginning the diet,

my

> son has had only loose stools, which I don't understand since he

is

> normally more of a constipated kid. He has been on the SCD for

> 8 days now. I know he has yeast and most likely problems with the

> oxalates, but I don't understand why he is having loose stools

when

> he only wants bacon, almond cookies, grape juice and cheese. I

really

> have tried to get vegetables or fruits in him, but it's been a

battle.

> He won't eat green beans, peas, squash pancakes, fried

zuchinni,or

> anything that I've offered him. It's getting pretty frustrating.

In

> fact, all he ate today was four almond cookies. He hasn't ate

much

> in the last 3 days, partly because I think he has pretty bad

pain when

> he has a BM. After he goes, which , like I said is like water,

he sits

> their and says " owh,owh,owh, bottom hurts inside. Is it possible

he

> is plugged up, and all that is coming out is what is getting

around

> the obstruction? Next week we begin his cleanout with Mirilax

for

> four days prior to his scoping. I am concerned about his pain,

and

> then having to get a colonoscopy. Like I said we did this about

> three years ago for 8 months, and had troubles with

constipation,

> not loose stools. This certainly is not going as planned! Anyone

> have any ideas as to what could be going on? Patti G.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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Thank you Meleah, and Patti,

I think I will have to start over with the diet, because I believe

my son is now constipated because I let him have to may foods to

fast. I think the reason he is having loose stools, is because that

is what is getting around the blockage. I plan to clean him out, try

to take away the alka-seltzer and all, and restart the intro diet.

Now, It says you can have a scrambled egg right? to make the homemade

gelatine, you just follow the instructions on the knox unflavored

gelatine,is that correct? Do you use the diluted juice for that? So I

should just stick to 2-3 of the foods that are listed correct? Should

I be getting the dry cottage cheese and make the yoghart as soon as

possible to, or hold off on that? I want to do it right this time. I

know he won't starve in a day or two, if he doesn't eat much. I

suppose homemade applesauce would be ok in a few days to? Thanks so

much for shoving the truth right in my face, sometimes that's what it

takes! Thanks again, Patti

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> I agree with Meleah that something is wrong when a kid is self-

limiting so much, even to foods that are supposedly legal. I think

that if you're still using the Rolaids, he is probably " wanting " them

because of the little bit of sugar or starch that he's getting from

them.

>

> I don't know which Alka-Seltzer you're using, but some of the

flavored ones can certainly contain illegals, too. I don't think

you're going to make much headway until you get these out of the

picture.... they just undermine any effort you're trying to make

with foods.

>

> SCD just isn't a diet you can do *almost* all the way. You won't

get the desired result.

>

> The loose stool *may* be his body detoxing and eliminating

junk..... bacterial colonies that have died off, etc.... although I

suspect there are still plenty of the bad guys thriving away down

there at this point. They can subsist of " just a little " starch

and/or sugars.

>

> For a beginner, in my opinion, bacon should not be on the

menu..... particularly a beginner that is only 8 days in. It may be

legal (if you're using one that is completely sugar free), but it's

not advisable at this point.

>

> Almond flour will tend to loosen the stool in the beginning....

which can be helpful for a constipated kid, but you don't have that

issue at present, so I'd opt for pulling this out.

>

> I honestly think you're going to have to start over with intro.....

remove ALL illegals, meaning the Rolaids and the Alka-Seltzer.

>

> Googling " Rolaids Ingredients " brings up the following info:

>

> << Non-medicinal ingredients (alphabetically): Corn starch,

dextrose, flavour, magnesium stearate, polyethylene glycol, sucrose.

>>

>

> Corn starch, dextrose and sucrose. Favorite survival foods of gut

pathogens. You're just feeding THEM every time you give him one.....

sorry to tell ya.

>

> And even the most seemingly benign " plain " Alka Seltzer Gold, which

contains no aspirin or cold meds, and is often used just for tummy

complaints, contains mannitol, an illegal sweetener.

>

> As far as him refusing to eat any of the other recommended beginner

foods, you definitely may have a food strike on your hands for a bit.

You've got to decide, draw the boundaries and simply not provide

these more advanced foods as options. He may strike.... he wouldn't

be the first.... but almost every single determined food striker

we've seen on this list has eventually shocked his or her parents by

finally eating..... foods the parents never thought they would.

Prepare to be shocked!

>

> For right now, though.... if you're unwilling or unable to stop

giving him the illegals, you will surely continue to struggle and

wear yourself out due to undermining your own efforts. I know you

only have the best of intentions.... but this is the truth.

>

> You *should* be able to replace the Alka-Seltzer and Rolaids with

the SCD Electrolyte Drink.... or even just a pinch of plain baking

soda in his (diluted) juice.

>

> Patti

>

> Re: Loose stools since starting diet

>

>

>

> Ughhhhhh! We seem to be having one problem after another! We

started

> the diet to try and eliminate my son's acid reflux. It has gotten

> better for sure, but he still is wanting alka-seltzer and

rolaids,

> which I'm sure probably aren't legal. Since beginning the diet, my

> son has had only loose stools, which I don't understand since he

is

> normally more of a constipated kid. He has been on the SCD for

> 8 days now. I know he has yeast and most likely problems with the

> oxalates, but I don't understand why he is having loose stools

when

> he only wants bacon, almond cookies, grape juice and cheese. I

really

> have tried to get vegetables or fruits in him, but it's been a

battle.

> He won't eat green beans, peas, squash pancakes, fried

zuchinni,or

> anything that I've offered him. It's getting pretty frustrating.

In

> fact, all he ate today was four almond cookies. He hasn't ate much

> in the last 3 days, partly because I think he has pretty bad pain

when

> he has a BM. After he goes, which , like I said is like water, he

sits

> their and says " owh,owh,owh, bottom hurts inside. Is it possible

he

> is plugged up, and all that is coming out is what is getting

around

> the obstruction? Next week we begin his cleanout with Mirilax for

> four days prior to his scoping. I am concerned about his pain,

and

> then having to get a colonoscopy. Like I said we did this about

> three years ago for 8 months, and had troubles with constipation,

> not loose stools. This certainly is not going as planned! Anyone

> have any ideas as to what could be going on? Patti G.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, make the gelatin with the diluted juice according to the directions on the

box of Knox unflavored gelatin. Use either apple cider(must be in the

refrigerated section) or legal grape juice like Welch's. He can have any style

of eggs on intro...scrambled, boiled, poached. He can have meat either boiled,

groiled, or grilled. He can have cooked carrots. Some kids haven't done well

with carrots, and so parents have substituted a similar cooked veggie for them

like acorn or butternut squash. You don't have to use yogurt or dry curd

cottage cheese right away. In fact, many parents don't give any dairy for the

first few weeks. You don't have to choose only a couple of foods for the intro

diet. Just make sure that you stick to the list of foods that are on either the

BTVC or pecanbread web sites. I'm glad to hear that you're going to pull the

Rolaids and Alcaselsar. I think that is holding him back. After the intro for

a couple of days, then start introducing new foods again...one every two to

three days(just like when starting a baby on solids). Check out the " beyond the

intro diet " chart under the food preparation section of the pecanbread.com site.

Yes, applesauce can be one of the first foods to be introduced, but it must be

homemade. Personally, I like alternating between introduction of a fruit and

veggie...zucchini one day, applesauce a few days later, green beans a few days

later, pearsauce a few days later, and so on...That's not a rule, but I just

like to alternate the not so sweet veggies with a sweeter food...something

different and to look forward to. I think that you'll be surprised at how he

does if you are very careful to stick to it, and make sure that everything is

SCD legal and not too soon. Feel free to ask away even if you think you're

bothering everyone with all of the questions. Better to be safe than sorry, and

we're not bothered at all.

Meleah

Re: Loose stools since starting diet

>

>

>

> Ughhhhhh! We seem to be having one problem after another! We

started

> the diet to try and eliminate my son's acid reflux. It has gotten

> better for sure, but he still is wanting alka-seltzer and

rolaids,

> which I'm sure probably aren't legal. Since beginning the diet, my

> son has had only loose stools, which I don't understand since he

is

> normally more of a constipated kid. He has been on the SCD for

> 8 days now. I know he has yeast and most likely problems with the

> oxalates, but I don't understand why he is having loose stools

when

> he only wants bacon, almond cookies, grape juice and cheese. I

really

> have tried to get vegetables or fruits in him, but it's been a

battle.

> He won't eat green beans, peas, squash pancakes, fried

zuchinni,or

> anything that I've offered him. It's getting pretty frustrating.

In

> fact, all he ate today was four almond cookies. He hasn't ate much

> in the last 3 days, partly because I think he has pretty bad pain

when

> he has a BM. After he goes, which , like I said is like water, he

sits

> their and says " owh,owh,owh, bottom hurts inside. Is it possible

he

> is plugged up, and all that is coming out is what is getting

around

> the obstruction? Next week we begin his cleanout with Mirilax for

> four days prior to his scoping. I am concerned about his pain,

and

> then having to get a colonoscopy. Like I said we did this about

> three years ago for 8 months, and had troubles with constipation,

> not loose stools. This certainly is not going as planned! Anyone

> have any ideas as to what could be going on? Patti G.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Patti G.,

He can eat any of the foods listed in the book on the Intro diet menu.... the

chapter titled " Introducing the Diet " .... a few pages in, where she has listed

" Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner " foods. He does not have to eat ALL of those

foods. Yes, he can have scrambled eggs.

I would not introduce the dairy (dry curd cottage cheese and yogurt) unless he

was already eating those foods before.... and tolerating cow dairy just fine.

If dairy is questionable, just wait..... and in a few weeks, introduce SCD

yogurt made with goat milk, if possible.

Intro is only for two days..... then you can progress into other fruits and

veggies.... all peeled and cooked. Think EASY TO DIGEST.... as easy as

possible.

You could be right.... that he is really pretty plugged up.... and the rest is

just leaking around that. I trust your Mommy instincts!

Cooked apples/applesauce and ripe bananas *can* potentially contribute to

constipation, so if that is already and issue, keep that in mind. You might want

to go with cooked pears/pearsauce instead. Adding a supplement of magnesium

citrate (be sure all ingredients are legal!!!) can help relieve constipation.

This takes a real committment, and it sounds like you're up for it. We're here

for you.

Patti (Durovchic)

Re: Loose stools since starting diet

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Thank you Meleah, and Patti,

I think I will have to start over with the diet, because I believe

my son is now constipated because I let him have to may foods to

fast. I think the reason he is having loose stools, is because that

is what is getting around the blockage. I plan to clean him out, try

to take away the alka-seltzer and all, and restart the intro diet.

Now, It says you can have a scrambled egg right? to make the homemade

gelatine, you just follow the instructions on the knox unflavored

gelatine,is that correct? Do you use the diluted juice for that? So I

should just stick to 2-3 of the foods that are listed correct? Should

I be getting the dry cottage cheese and make the yoghart as soon as

possible to, or hold off on that? I want to do it right this time. I

know he won't starve in a day or two, if he doesn't eat much. I

suppose homemade applesauce would be ok in a few days to? Thanks so

much for shoving the truth right in my face, sometimes that's what it

takes! Thanks again, Patti

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>

> There is also an electrolite water called Smart Water that you can get at the

grocery

stores.

> Meleah

That beverage is banned in Los Angeles schools. I wonder why?

http://cafe-la.lausd.k12.ca.us/unapprovedbeverages.htm

Carol F.

SCD 7 years, celiac