Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 and , We do hear this fairly frequently.... not with all the kids, but it's not uncommon. I wish I could tell you WHY! We can only speculate. I have two theories... One is that *some* of the " ravenous hunger " is actually cravings.... driven by the gut pathogens that desperately want to survive. They send out signals to the host to " GO GET FOOD " ..... and although they really need starches and sugars, the host might not be able to discern the difference and just interprets the message as HUNGER. These kids can seem like bottomless pits! My second theory is that the body is recognizing that it is finally able to access good nutrition..... and can more readily absorb it, so is trying to make up for lost time. This only makes sense in a kid that has been on SCD a little longer, though. I can tell you that it *usually* doesn't last very long. Maybe a few weeks.... maybe a couple of months. Could be longer..... sorry! To both of you, I would just remind you that a lot of these foods don't contain many calories. Obviously the meat has more.... but the green beans and things like that really aren't calorie dense. So, they will need more volume. Also to both of you, I URGE you to add healthy fats!!! Fats really satisfy hunger. If your child is okay with dairy, add BUTTER. Or ghee (clarified butter), if you really want to keep them casein free. If you don't even want to risk using ghee, try adding coconut oil. Other healthy oils are a great idea... sunflower oil, grape seed oil. Buy high quality oils from a health food store. Nut butters are calorie dense and higher in fats.... so will be fairly satisfying. .... I am not sure how long your child has been on SCD, but the tiredness/lethargy sounds typical of die-off. Buy big HUGE amounts of epsom salts.... you're going to need those baths. Patti Re: eating too much! I am anxious to see the responses to this, my son only weighs 24 pounds and he is not terribly far off food-wise. We had one day where it slowed down to a normal amount and it does seem to slowly be getting there, but he is still constantly wanting food. He has definitely acted like he just does not feel well. We went to the park and he walked around the playground twice. Sat in my lap for a swing, then went to the car and crawled in his carseat and just sat there for a good 10 minutes while I talked his sister into leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Yes, I'm thinking he feels both cravings and hunger -- I am not filled up on meat, veggies, fruits or eggs. I usually eat a starch here and there, just to slow down my digestion so I am not so hungry throughout the day. It's hard to find a substitute to create that " full feeling " on this diet. I was always hungry when I was pregnant (more so than my friends were) & I have had high levels of h. pylori at that time. Is h. pylori one of the pathogens this diet addresses? - Patti wrote: and , We do hear this fairly frequently.... not with all the kids, but it's not uncommon. I wish I could tell you WHY! We can only speculate. I have two theories... One is that *some* of the " ravenous hunger " is actually cravings.... driven by the gut pathogens that desperately want to survive. They send out signals to the host to " GO GET FOOD " ..... and although they really need starches and sugars, the host might not be able to discern the difference and just interprets the message as HUNGER. These kids can seem like bottomless pits! My second theory is that the body is recognizing that it is finally able to access good nutrition..... and can more readily absorb it, so is trying to make up for lost time. This only makes sense in a kid that has been on SCD a little longer, though. I can tell you that it *usually* doesn't last very long. Maybe a few weeks.... maybe a couple of months. Could be longer..... sorry! To both of you, I would just remind you that a lot of these foods don't contain many calories. Obviously the meat has more.... but the green beans and things like that really aren't calorie dense. So, they will need more volume. Also to both of you, I URGE you to add healthy fats!!! Fats really satisfy hunger. If your child is okay with dairy, add BUTTER. Or ghee (clarified butter), if you really want to keep them casein free. If you don't even want to risk using ghee, try adding coconut oil. Other healthy oils are a great idea... sunflower oil, grape seed oil. Buy high quality oils from a health food store. Nut butters are calorie dense and higher in fats.... so will be fairly satisfying. .... I am not sure how long your child has been on SCD, but the tiredness/lethargy sounds typical of die-off. Buy big HUGE amounts of epsom salts.... you're going to need those baths. Patti Re: eating too much! I am anxious to see the responses to this, my son only weighs 24 pounds and he is not terribly far off food-wise. We had one day where it slowed down to a normal amount and it does seem to slowly be getting there, but he is still constantly wanting food. He has definitely acted like he just does not feel well. We went to the park and he walked around the playground twice. Sat in my lap for a swing, then went to the car and crawled in his carseat and just sat there for a good 10 minutes while I talked his sister into leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 You know, I wasn't able to try any recipes, as I was never able to leave the stovetop long enough to look anything up! Today, my husband has the day off and I have to laugh listening to my husabnd go thru day 2 in the kitchen with him. He is alternating between handing my husband food to cook and escaping out of the yard. We need to buy refridgerator locks and a lock for your yard gate. - Patti wrote: I have to admit, I honestly do not know whether SCD gets rid of h.pylori. I think SCD is generally intended to work on pathogens in the intestines. Just not sure. Fats can really help " slow down " digestion and satisfy hunger, so consider adding more. Have you made the butternut squash fries? I can't think of anything else SCD that seems more satisfying in terms of those carb cravings. Patti Re: Re: eating too much! Yes, I'm thinking he feels both cravings and hunger -- I am not filled up on meat, veggies, fruits or eggs. I usually eat a starch here and there, just to slow down my digestion so I am not so hungry throughout the day. It's hard to find a substitute to create that " full feeling " on this diet. I was always hungry when I was pregnant (more so than my friends were) & I have had high levels of h. pylori at that time. Is h. pylori one of the pathogens this diet addresses? - Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 You can get frig and bifolding door locks from One Step Ahead. They have lots of other safety stuff as well, so I'd check their web site. We had to buy frig and bifolding door locks(for our pantry) when we started SCD. Meleah Re: Re: eating too much! Yes, I'm thinking he feels both cravings and hunger -- I am not filled up on meat, veggies, fruits or eggs. I usually eat a starch here and there, just to slow down my digestion so I am not so hungry throughout the day. It's hard to find a substitute to create that " full feeling " on this diet. I was always hungry when I was pregnant (more so than my friends were) & I have had high levels of h. pylori at that time. Is h. pylori one of the pathogens this diet addresses? - Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I have to admit, I honestly do not know whether SCD gets rid of h.pylori. I think SCD is generally intended to work on pathogens in the intestines. Just not sure. Fats can really help " slow down " digestion and satisfy hunger, so consider adding more. Have you made the butternut squash fries? I can't think of anything else SCD that seems more satisfying in terms of those carb cravings. Patti Re: Re: eating too much! Yes, I'm thinking he feels both cravings and hunger -- I am not filled up on meat, veggies, fruits or eggs. I usually eat a starch here and there, just to slow down my digestion so I am not so hungry throughout the day. It's hard to find a substitute to create that " full feeling " on this diet. I was always hungry when I was pregnant (more so than my friends were) & I have had high levels of h. pylori at that time. Is h. pylori one of the pathogens this diet addresses? - Recent Activity a.. 13New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Well, locks are pretty common around this list! I have a lock on my fridge.... and one on the pantry. Just the regular child safety ones are enough to keep my daughter from rummaging. The butternut squash fries are a super easy one..... If you have a baking stone, put the stone in the oven, then preheat to 425. (I have used 450 with success). Peel the squash, cut it in half (with a BIG sharp knife) and scoop the seeds out. Cut into " fry " sized sticks (1/4 " wide... or so). Put them in a bowl, drizzle a little olive oil over them and toss. Spread fries on stone (or parchment-lined baking sheet if you don't have a stone) in a single layer and bake..... the recipe says " until crisp " . I watch them through the oven window until they're starting to brown up at the edges. I think it's about 20 minutes, but everyone's oven is different. Salt if desired..... and don't worry about leftovers. There won't be any! Patti Re: Re: eating too much! You know, I wasn't able to try any recipes, as I was never able to leave the stovetop long enough to look anything up! Today, my husband has the day off and I have to laugh listening to my husabnd go thru day 2 in the kitchen with him. He is alternating between handing my husband food to cook and escaping out of the yard. We need to buy refridgerator locks and a lock for your yard gate. - Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 If a person overeats on legal foods - -does that end up feeding bugs simply by the fact that there is always food moving along? - Patti wrote: Well, locks are pretty common around this list! I have a lock on my fridge.... and one on the pantry. Just the regular child safety ones are enough to keep my daughter from rummaging. The butternut squash fries are a super easy one..... If you have a baking stone, put the stone in the oven, then preheat to 425. (I have used 450 with success). Peel the squash, cut it in half (with a BIG sharp knife) and scoop the seeds out. Cut into " fry " sized sticks (1/4 " wide... or so). Put them in a bowl, drizzle a little olive oil over them and toss. Spread fries on stone (or parchment-lined baking sheet if you don't have a stone) in a single layer and bake..... the recipe says " until crisp " . I watch them through the oven window until they're starting to brown up at the edges. I think it's about 20 minutes, but everyone's oven is different. Salt if desired..... and don't worry about leftovers. There won't be any! Patti Re: Re: eating too much! You know, I wasn't able to try any recipes, as I was never able to leave the stovetop long enough to look anything up! Today, my husband has the day off and I have to laugh listening to my husabnd go thru day 2 in the kitchen with him. He is alternating between handing my husband food to cook and escaping out of the yard. We need to buy refridgerator locks and a lock for your yard gate. - Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 No. Meleah Re: Re: eating too much! You know, I wasn't able to try any recipes, as I was never able to leave the stovetop long enough to look anything up! Today, my husband has the day off and I have to laugh listening to my husabnd go thru day 2 in the kitchen with him. He is alternating between handing my husband food to cook and escaping out of the yard. We need to buy refridgerator locks and a lock for your yard gate. - Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 I'll agree with Carol that the bulk cooking is key. For example, when you're making a whole chicken for your son to devour, make two chickens. Put one away for tomorrow. I realize that bulk cooking for you will only get you through a couple of days, but even if you cook double what he will eat, it will give you a break for the next day. Also, I've decided that right now simple is better for me. With all that is going on for us, it makes my life easier to do stuff like hamburgers, baked chicken breasts with lemon, slt, and pepper, ect. I just don't have much time right now to be making muffins, cookies, ect. Meleah Re: eating too much! > > Okay, so please tell me how GREAT he is doing on the diet to make up for the fact that all you do is cook! > > - , SCD is a wonderful diet but there is no doubt that it is not geared to convenience food from stores. It would be wonderful if someone had a reliable store or website to supply more ready made foods. However understand the difficulty. I just checked a line of jams at Digestive Wellness.com said to be SCD legal and discovered they may contain a type of star thistle honey which is unfiltered and illegal. This is typical of why we are so wary of store bought food. We can appreciate your frustration . Even though I have really come to love the home cooking I need to do for SCD others may not. Cooking can be fast. Example, the other night I made a beef stir fry in less than ten minutes and it was just great. ( OK, maybe a child has texture issues and would not like my beef stir fry but there are other quick and easy things) We all need a certain mind set to stick to the diet and that is understanding that there is work involved and strict compliance required. You had a lot of questions and concerns while you waited for your book. Am I right in feeling you are still not completely " settled " and comfortable with the commitment it takes to do this? We are all here to give you whatever help we can and I believe once you develop a system for some bulk cooking and freezing, baking and storing and if using yogurt making it in large batches it will not be as challenging. believe me, , everyone is on your side and most have gone through feeling fairly frustrated at the start. But just ask our list how many found it really was worth the struggle. Carol F. SCD 7 years, celiac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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