Re: Fw: Yvonne-RNY vs. MGB

[Guest guest]

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This will be the last you will hear from me because I do not waste my

time on people who are not worth it and who are Liars. I know people

(family members) that are either in Law enforcement , Legal council, and

yes within government and I know all about you just with a quick phone

call. So don't try to play me as one of your fools. What Dr R is doing is

great and you need to get over being pissed and feeling rejected because it

will come back to bit you in the A**. Why don't you get a real life and

grow up. Also this is your official warning :DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN WITH

YOUR LIES. DO NOT E-MAIL ME OR CONTACT ME IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM!

KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK DR R. WE LOVE YOU!!!

on 11/10/2000 01:19:50 PM

Please respond to lindat@...

To: Vicki.@..., truth <MGB-TRUTH (AT) egroups (DOT) com>

cc:

Subject: Re: Fw: Yvonne-RNY vs. MGB

I will address your comments individually. I am posting this message

publicly because your false claims could mislead someone to serious harm

that will affect them the rest of their lives.

I hope you will at least consider the possible danger and consequences

to other people of you making statements that are false, even if you

believe them.

>

> To: <MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com>

> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 6:49 AM

> Subject: Re: Yvonne-RNY vs. MGB

>

> >

> >

> > My name is Vicki and I am in the process of doing research with

> > regards to if this is what is right for me. I have also done much

> > research on Dr R and I think Dr. R is doing a wonderful thing for

many

> > many women who have been struggling with this disease for many years.

I

> > have viewed 's web sight and there is so many things on her web

sight

> > that are untrue

There is not a single thing on my website that is untrue. You make this

claim, but I notice you don't even try to pick out one single fact and

show it is untrue and why. That is because the facts on my site are

true, and well documented.

You are giving your OPINION. I am giving FACTS. There is a big

difference.

Medical FACTS from dozens of sources show that the procedure Rutledge is

doing is a dangerous, antiquated surgery that was abandoned 25 years ago

because it causes serious harm to people.

>> and if you notice the list of doctors that she has don't

> > even mention anything about Dr. R the information only state what their

> > personal preferences are for the various types of surgeries.

You are wrong.

They specifically mention Dr. Rutledge and they specifically mention the

" mini-gastric bypass " (which ONLY Rutledge does).

Here are some excerpts that demonstrate these doctors are specifically

referring only to Rutledge and his " mini-gastric bypass. "

Dr. Buchwald:

(http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/buchwald.htm)

" The Mini Gastric Bypass operation is a laparoscopic return to an

operation that was discredited many years ago. Specifically, performing

a loop, rather than a Roux, anastomosis to the upper pouch of a gastric

bypass will permit bile reflux and the occurrence of bile esophagitis. I

am not convinced by the advocates of this procedure that these problems

have not occurred. I am also concerned about the e-mail follow-up

procedure for the Mini Gastric Bypass. I believe this form of

communication cannot replace office visits. "

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The first doctor on the page, http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/doctors.htm,

and the first words out of his mouth are " mini gastric bypass " -- how

much plainer does that need to be for you?

Dr. Terry:

(http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/terry.htm " )

" I gladly express my opinion, that restraint be the guideline pertaining

to the 'mini-gastric bypass.'

" The enthusiastic and 'slick' marketing of this modality, before data

review and peer debate has occurred is troublesome from an ethical

viewpoint. I received the original presentation by e-mail from the

surgeon and was impressed with the communication. I quickly replied to

the author 'that this was a neat operation but it was rejected 20 years

ago as not effective, and just because it can be done with a laparoscope

does not mean it should be done and equated to known effective

therapies.' "

" I was offended by the presentation at our national ASBS meeting when

the author avoided presenting the particulars of his procedure saying

that it was available on the internet. His lack of personal followup is

likely to lead to continued misuse of a suspect procedure with the

followup diffused among a variety of primary physicians.

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He is very plainly referring to the " mini-gastric bypass, " Rutledge's

presentation to the ASBS in June, and to his reply to Rutledge,

personally, that he is doing a procedure abandoned 20 years ago. "

It doesn't get much plainer than that.

Dr. Choban:

(http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/choban.htm)

" I'm a fairly experienced bariatric surgeon and I found the home page of

the Mini-Gastric Bypass very confusing. . . . What I don't like is how

he 'advertises.' "

[...]

" I worry about patient educational data which has a disclaimer that " ...

neither the authors nor editors warrant that the information is accurate

or complete " . The information I send out for patients inquiring, I

believe is accurate and complete or I wouldn't be sending it out. Yes,

we have a disclaimer on our web site too, but it says decisions should

be made with a medical professional and results may vary between

individuals, not that the information may be crappy. "

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She is plainly referring to Rutledge's website and advertising and

specifically to his disclaimer.

Dr. Champion:

(http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/champion.htm)

" Our office has received requests for information on the 'mini-gastric

bypass' procedure for morbid obesity and therefore I feel an obligation

to comment publically on its useage. "

[...]

" The mini-gastric bypass is not a new or innovative surgery to treat

obesity ; it is simply a loop gastric bypass performed laparoscopically.

The open loop bypass was developed, evaluated, and abandoned years ago

as an inadequate procedure for morbid obesity. The loop bypass channels

bile and digestive juice into the esophagus where it can cause reflux

esophagitis, ulceration , and esophageal cancer over a period of years. "

" Bile reflux is currently responsible for the epidemic of esophageal

cancer in the U.S., but it is recognized it generally can take up to 10

years of reflux to produce cancer changes. Many problems with the

mini-gastric bypass will therefore not become apparent for another 10

years, and it will be too late by that point for many patients lulled

into a false sense of security. "

" Over time there have been good operations and there have been bad

operations for severe obesity. The VBG and Roux-en-y gastric bypass are

examples of good , proven operations. The intestinal bypass and the loop

gastric bypass are examples of bad procedures which were abandoned for

good reason 20 years ago. "

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BE SURE YOU NOTICE he is talking SPECIFICALLY about the minigastric

bypass and he says that " Many problems with the mini-gastric bypass "

will not be apparent for 10 years and " IT WILL BE TOO LATE BY THAT

POINT " for many patients lulled into a FALSE sense of security.

ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION?

Here's Dr. :

(http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/clark.htm)

" Loop Gastric Bypass ( " Mini Gastric Bypass " )

" This form of Gastric Bypass was developed years ago, and has generally

been abandoned by nearly all bariatric surgeons as unsafe -- several

years ago, a consensus of the American Society for Bariatric Surgery was

that the procedure should never be performed.

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He's talking SPECIFICALLY about the mini-gastric bypass and telling you

it is a procedure that should never be performed.

Dr. Fisher:

(http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/fisher.htm)

" In 1962, the first gastric bypass procedure was performed in Iowa. It

was a Loop Gastric Bypass, just like the Mini Gastric Bypass presently

being performed by laparoscopic approach. As this became more popular,

it became apparent to several of the surgeons performing the operation

that some of the patients developed a late complication of this

procedure. They were found to have symptoms of severe indigestion and

reflux ... "

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In response to a SPECIFIC question asking for comments about the

Mini-gastric bypass vs. RNY:

Dr. Goodman:

(http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/goodman.htm)

ANYONE COMMENT ON MINI BYPASS-VS-LAP RNY? I AM CONSIDERING WLS BUT WANT

IT DONE LAPROSCOPICALLY. HAVE READ EVERYTHING ABOUT DR.RUTLEDGE IN

N.C. DOES ANYONE KNOW OF DIFFERENT SUCCESS RATES OR COMPLICATIONS FROM

THE MINI GASTRIC BYPASS-VS-LAP RNY? KNOW OF ANY SURGEON NEAR MARYLAND

THAT DOES LAP RNY?

" A: I agree with the previous respondent about the loop gastric

bypass. It is easy to do laprascopically, but it is technically a bad

operation due to a high risk of bile reflux into the gastric pouch. This

leads to nasty gastritis and may necessitate a RNY. Stick to a lap or

open RNY. "

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Was that plain?

If not, TRY THIS, REFERENCED, FOOTNOTED, PLAIN AS DAY:

World wide:

JWM Greve, Md, PhD

Department of Surgery

University Hospital Maastricht

PO Box 5800

6202 AZ Maastricht

The Netherlands

" One of the examples is the laparoscopically performed mini-gastric

bypass, a small proximal

gastric pouch with a Billroth II type anastomosis, for the morbidly

obese

patients as reported during the last meeting of the American Society for

Bariatric Surgeons (ASBS)[4]. "

FOOTNOTE 4 says: " 4. Rutledge, R., The Mini-Gastric Bypass: Experience

with the

First 300 Cases. Obesity Surgery, 2000. 10(2): p. 133. "

IS THAT PLAIN ENOUGH?

And he says the SAME THING as the other doctors, that it has LONG BEEN

WELL-KNOWN that the procedure CAUSES CANCER -- note, POST-OPS, he says,

yes, it causes weight loss, but . . . :

" The preliminary results of laparoscopic loop gastric bypass appear to

be

acceptable with respect to weight loss, however complications mainly

occur

in a later stage. Moreover, it is well known from the very large

experience

in the past with distal gastrectomies for peptic ulcer disease, that

these

patients have a significantly increased risk to develop a carcinoma in

the

gastric remnant after 15-20 years [8-18]. "

18. Schafer, L.W., et al., The risk of gastric carcinoma

after

surgical treatment for benign ulcer disease. A population-based study in

Olmsted County, Minnesota. N Engl J Med, 1983. 309(20): p. 1210-3.

19. Kobayasi, S., et al., Gastric and small intestinal

lesions

after partial stomach resection with Billroth II or Roux-en-Y

reconstruction

in the rat. Cancer Lett, 1994. 85(1): p. 73-82.

20. Kojima, H., K. Kondo, and H. Takagi, [The influence of reflux

of

bile and pancreatic juice on gastric carcinogenesis in rats]. Nippon

Geka

Gakkai Zasshi, 1990. 91(7): p. 818-26.

21. Langhans, P., et al., Gastric stump carcinoma--new

aspects

deduced from experimental results. Scand J Gastroenterol Suppl, 1981.

67: p.

161-4.

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CAUSES CANCER. WELL KNOWN TO CAUSE CANCER. FOOTNOTED. FROM A DOCTOR

ACROSS THE WORLD WHO WAS APPALLED ENOUGH TO WRITE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT

RUTLEDGE.

Is he worried about " the competition? "

ARE ALL THESE DOCTORS *MUST* LYING AND IN SOME CONSPIRACY TO FOOL YOU,

OUT TO " GET " RUTLEDGE?

> > The pictures of the the way that the surgury is performed are far from

the truth.

These pictures have been reviewed by doctors and are accurate.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that attaching intestine coming from

the old stomach into the new stomach will dump intestinal contents into

the new stomach.

But apparently, even drawing a picture wasn't enough for you to " get

it. "

God help you. In your case, ignorance may really be fatal.

If

> > you really sit and pick what she says apart it is apparant that she is

> just

> > " pissed off " and making up lies about Dr. R .

Is it?

My pages have no " lies " about Dr. R. at all. Not one. Find one. Show

it to me. Show it to anyone.

I'd say your letter shows YOUR opinion of me has clouded your common

sense.

You do not have to believe me at all, or anything I say.

My website is FULL of references to other sources where you can find

this information for yourself.

Are you too lazy or too stupid to do that?

It's one or the other because it CERTAINLY is not a lack of information.

If you look anywhere else EXCEPT Rutledge's site, you will find the

facts:

The mini-gastric bypass is dangerous because it hooks intestine coming

from your old stomach RIGHT INTO your new stomach.

READ THAT ONE SENTENCE. DUH.

No other weight loss surgery does this (no other surgeons are that

stupid!)

What do YOU suppose happens to your stomach when intestinal contents get

into it?

When was the last time you served yourself a nice heaping steaming bowl

of, um, INTESTINAL CONTENTS??

> > that speaks for itself doesn't it. When I first started reading her

> > negativity. My first thought was oh my goodness. Thanks God I did't

go

> > through with this yet.

Hold that thought.

> But then I tought well let me look a little further

> > into this. And I really feel sorry for her. She must really be a

lonely

> > person to sit and make up all of these lies about Dr R and to even

create

> > a web site about it.

Ah, the nut of the issue. The person who is a PROVEN liar is Rutledge,

and he fed you some stories about me, and that means (to you) that

nothing on the website can be true because you decided I'm a terrible

person.

If a crazed drunken two-headed tree sloth told you that some people were

raping your daughter would you go look?

If the worst, nastiest person on the face of the earth yelled at you,

" There's a runaway truck coming, get out of the way! " would you stand

there like a ninny?

You didn't even look at the things on the website.

Medical studies:

http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/problems.htm

http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/cancer.htm

Medical pictures of the damage the minigastric bypass causes:

http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/picture2.htm

Doctors telling you the dangers of the mini-gastric bypass, what it

causes, and why it was abandoned 25 years ago:

http://www.fourlane.com/mgb/doctors.htm

Not ONE of those things is my opinion, not one. So it doesn't matter

what a " terrible person " you seem to have decided I am.

And by the way, if you make ANY decision based on information from

Rutledge, clue up.

Get your information somewhere else. Anywhere else.

He is a proven liar.

Here's how you can know that yourself.

He says on his website there is NO risk of bile reflux and NO risk of

cancer from his surgery.

So *any* risk at all would prove he is a liar.

If you look at the pages I gave you above, you'll find it has been known

for over 25 years that the procedure he does causes terrible bile

reflux, terrible damage, and cancer.

So he's a liar.

Do you REALLY want to have a surgery that COULD cause these things, when

NONE of the other surgeries can cause these problems?

NOT ONE of the other surgeries can cause these problems because NOT ONE

of them hooks up the intestine the way Rutledge does so it dumps into

your new stomach.

> > Well for those people reading this that are looking into having Dr R's

> > procedure don't fall into 's trap and dont let her drag you into

her

> > negativity because Dr. R rejected her from being employed with him

because

> > of her background and her jail time and other various things(you can

find

> > this info under Dr. R's web site by typind in her name under search)

First of all, that's false.

Secondly, attacking me doesn't change the facts about the mini-gastric

bypass.

Even if I'm the angriest, nastiest person you ever saw, that does not

change the facts:

Medical proof shows the mini-gastric bypass is a dangerous procedure

with terrible long-term complications and should not be done on people.

Kind regards,

http://www.fourlane.com/lindat

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ROBERT R. RUTLEDGE, M.D., BUSTED!

http://www.fourlane.com/mgb

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Never be afraid to try.

Remember, amateurs built the ark.

Professionals built the Titanic.

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