Yvonne-RNY vs. MGB

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In a message dated 11/9/00 4:44:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com writes:

<< It does not take a

genius to look at diagrams side to side to see the incredible similarities

of Dr. R's surgery and the old Billroth loops...

> I hope that the possible complications of alkaline reflux is thoroughly

looked into by each person on this list, as well as comparing- the actual

procedure Dr. R does- to the old Bilroth loop... >>

Yvonne,I've been away and just caught your post. Please feel you can ask

questions here! The people who got bumped were people who were not planning

on having the surgery and trying to further someone else's mission. The

Billroth2 is still performed everyday in America,by general(Not bariatric)

surgeons. It's a well documented, and yes " old " surgery. The Mason loop

however is not performed anymore, because of the bile reflux and esophageal

cancer. I found the diagrams on Dr.Rutledge's website to be very

helpful(although when I researched my surgery I did my own research,and these

diagrams were not avail.)

I can see a very clear difference between the Mini-gastric bypass and the

Mason loop,namely the vertical cut(mini-gastric and Billroth ) vs. the

horizontal cut of the Mason loop. I have a healthy respect for gravity when

it comes to bile reflux! I also have a very close friend who has guided me

through this process,graduated top of his class.He thinks Dr.R IS doing a

great surgery,and acknowledged that,yes, surgery is a cashcow to some docs

and the " RNY noise " could have some financial incentives for those docs. The

big decision makers for me to have this surgery over the RNY was 1) the

anterior approach,which decreased the scar tissue onto the liver. RNY uses a

posterior approach and can scar onto the liver. I need my liver,and watching

someone die of liver failure is one of the worse deaths you can have. That

was big for me. 2)Low complication rate-that speaks for itself AND 3) Small

bowel obstructions can occur anytime,especially after ANY type of surgery.

Anytime the bowel is cut,there is a chance of scar tissue. Look how many

times the sm. intestine is cut with the RNY(up to 4 times) vs. the 1

interruption of the MGB. 4) If I was wrong,the ease of reversibility. Those

were my decisions.I wont defend Dr.R.,that is his job. I won't defend his

surgery-that,too, is his job. I will defend my decision. And 8 1/2 months

post-op,down 86 lbs,no comorbids, and just completing a 6 1/2 hour aerobics

marathon this weekend-it was a darn good one! And yes I do praise Dr.R and

his surgery, but expect that others may question. That's okay!

Please feel free to ask questions. You can e-mail me privately, I don't mind.

I will not, however, get in a pissing match with and anyone needs to

know that upfront. It's a pointless debate. My choice,my experience was a

good one.

Osler RN

MGB 2/21/00

272/186!

BMI 46/32

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My name is Vicki and I am in the process of doing research with

regards to if this is what is right for me. I have also done much

research on Dr R and I think Dr. R is doing a wonderful thing for many

many women who have been struggling with this disease for many years. I

have viewed 's web sight and there is so many things on her web sight

that are untrue and if you notice the list of doctors that she has don't

even mention anything about Dr. R the information only state what their

personal preferences are for the various types of surgeries. The pictures

of the the way that the surgury is performed are far from the truth. If

you really sit and pick what she says apart it is apparant that she is just

" pissed off " and making up lies about Dr. R . Her background speaks for

herself. How many times has she been in Jail? too many if you ask for me.

that speaks for itself doesn't it. When I first started reading her

negativity. My first thought was oh my goodness. Thanks God I did't go

through with this yet. But then I tought well let me look a little further

into this. And I really feel sorry for her. She must really be a lonely

person to sit and make up all of these lies about Dr R and to even create a

web site about it.

Well for those people reading this that are looking into having Dr R's

procedure don't fall into 's trap and dont let her drag you into her

negativity because Dr. R rejected her from being employed with him because

of her background and her jail time and other various things(you can find

this info under Dr. R's web site by typind in her name under search) and it

is also public record. Instead of falling into her trap just keep an open

mind and research every aspect of his procedure and see if it is right for

you and your lifestyle.

Sorry for such a long one but her lies must be stopped.

Boingy300@... on 11/10/2000 08:16:39 AM

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Subject: Yvonne-RNY vs. MGB

In a message dated 11/9/00 4:44:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,

MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com writes:

<< It does not take a

genius to look at diagrams side to side to see the incredible similarities

of Dr. R's surgery and the old Billroth loops...

> I hope that the possible complications of alkaline reflux is

thoroughly

looked into by each person on this list, as well as comparing- the actual

procedure Dr. R does- to the old Bilroth loop... >>

Yvonne,I've been away and just caught your post. Please feel you can ask

questions here! The people who got bumped were people who were not planning

on having the surgery and trying to further someone else's mission. The

Billroth2 is still performed everyday in America,by general(Not bariatric)

surgeons. It's a well documented, and yes " old " surgery. The Mason loop

however is not performed anymore, because of the bile reflux and esophageal

cancer. I found the diagrams on Dr.Rutledge's website to be very

helpful(although when I researched my surgery I did my own research,and

these

diagrams were not avail.)

I can see a very clear difference between the Mini-gastric bypass and the

Mason loop,namely the vertical cut(mini-gastric and Billroth ) vs. the

horizontal cut of the Mason loop. I have a healthy respect for gravity when

it comes to bile reflux! I also have a very close friend who has guided me

through this process,graduated top of his class.He thinks Dr.R IS doing a

great surgery,and acknowledged that,yes, surgery is a cashcow to some docs

and the " RNY noise " could have some financial incentives for those docs.

The

big decision makers for me to have this surgery over the RNY was 1) the

anterior approach,which decreased the scar tissue onto the liver. RNY uses

a

posterior approach and can scar onto the liver. I need my liver,and

watching

someone die of liver failure is one of the worse deaths you can have. That

was big for me. 2)Low complication rate-that speaks for itself AND 3) Small

bowel obstructions can occur anytime,especially after ANY type of surgery.

Anytime the bowel is cut,there is a chance of scar tissue. Look how many

times the sm. intestine is cut with the RNY(up to 4 times) vs. the 1

interruption of the MGB. 4) If I was wrong,the ease of reversibility. Those

were my decisions.I wont defend Dr.R.,that is his job. I won't defend his

surgery-that,too, is his job. I will defend my decision. And 8 1/2 months

post-op,down 86 lbs,no comorbids, and just completing a 6 1/2 hour aerobics

marathon this weekend-it was a darn good one! And yes I do praise Dr.R and

his surgery, but expect that others may question. That's okay!

Please feel free to ask questions. You can e-mail me privately, I don't

mind.

I will not, however, get in a pissing match with and anyone needs to

know that upfront. It's a pointless debate. My choice,my experience was a

good one.

Osler RN

MGB 2/21/00

272/186!

BMI 46/32