too late

[Guest guest]

:

From your experience, after submitting your patient information form

on-line, how long should you expect to wait for a response? I just

submitted mine on Friday; so I'm not concerned if a few weeks go by.

However, if I've been rejected, I'd at least like to hear something.

Thanks,

>From: florence@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com

>To: MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com

>Subject: RE: Too Late

>Date: 14 Nov 2000 12:07:26 -0500

>

>:

>

>Welcome. The bottom line is that we each have to make our own decisions and

>we need to support each other by supporting whatever that person's decision

>is..and by not judging what type of wls surgery anyone chooses. You will

>not be judged here if you don't have MGB. We'll root for you no matter what

>you decide.

>

>What is really important is that we are overweight people trying to do what

>needs to be done to regain our health.

>

>Whatever your opinon, whatever you decide, welcome! I support you as a

>person seeking good health. My way was with MGB and I have NO regrets

>whatsoever. For me it was an easy decision to make. My Dr. recommended it,

>my insurance paid for it, I had no complications and other than and

>one other person, I have still never met a person who is unhappy with their

>results. But I do know that it's not for everyone....nothing in life is

>cut and dried and for everyone. (Thank goodness, because if it was, those

>of us who wanted only MGB wouldn't have been able to schedule our surgery

>without a very bery long wait).

>

>I hope that whatever path you choose will lead you to renewed health and

>high self esteem!

>

>Flo in land

>

>

> > ** Original Subject: RE: Too Late

> > **

> > ** Original Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:45:38 -0700

>

> > ** Original Message follows...

>

> >

> > I subscribed to this forum about 6 weeks ago and was denied. I

> > filled out the questionaire and submitted it twice. Dr Rutledge

> > failed to respond to me (I have had abdominal surgery so he did not

> > bother with me as I was a bad risk?) So, when I was denied

> > membership, I was shocked. But you know God is in control! I have

> > been researching WLS for quite some time now. A woman I that works

> > at the same hospital as I, had surgery with Dr Rutledge (5 other

> > women in upper MI, too). My PCP advised me to go to Dr Rutledge. He

> > gave me the information packet (has copies made of it) to make sure I

> > was aware of all the things that I would have to do. The funny thing

> > about all this is after the denial of membership and knowing that MGB

> > is really not an option for me because of the previous surgeries, I

> > started searching for a DR to do the RNY. I found a great one in

> > Gainsville, FL by the name of Dr P Hocking. Works for Shands

> > Hospital. But still researching (I am very anal about that) I came

> > upon a site testimony on AMOS and went to her home page:

> > http://www.mywls.com/ and followed a link on there about the type of

> > surgery she had. That link was http://duodenalswitch.com. What I

> > have learned there is my understanding and belief is that the DS

> > transects the stomach in a way that keeps the food following the

> > normal path down through the pyloric valve and into a portion of the

> > duodenum which is where some of your vitamins and minerals begin

> > absorption. The RNY & MGB totally bypasses the lower part of the

> > stomach, pyloric valve and the duodenum, leaving those parts

> > inactive. Therefore, I believe that you would have better

> > vitamin/mineral absorption from the DS. The DS does have a greater

> > malabsorption component where the food is not mixed with the

> > digestive juices from the liver and pancreas until the last 100cm

> > (approx.) and therefore some of the vitamins/minerals are not able to

> > be gleaned out of the food as well as without this component. This

> > portion of the DS is also an important reason why the DS surgery has

> > better long-term weight loss maintenence and not likely to regain.

> > On the other hand, in my opinion, the RNY & MGB creates an abnormal

> > stomach with direct connection to the intestine without a pyloric

> > valve and therefore has a whole slew of problems associated with that

> > connection, with " dumping syndrome " (Like an open drain in your sink)

> > being a main one that would not happen with DS. With the RNY & MGB,

> > food will have to be chewed extensively or it could cause blockages

> > and I wondered what it would be like in later life when I have false

> > teeth and can not chew as well. Another major problem with that

> > connection is a greater likelihood of ulcers, leaks and/or blockages

> > from scarring to the " anastomis " (sp) or connection between the

> > stomach pouch and intestine. Since the intestine is an alkaline

> > environment and the stomach is an acidic environment, the two are not

> > compatible without a valve separating them, thus creating a

> > connection that will forever be prone to problems. Since the

> > duodenum is bypassed, there is a problem with absorption of

> > vitamins/minerals that are normally absorbed in the duodenum. If the

> > RNY or MGB is done as a " distal " , then the intestinal bypass is

> > similar at the " common channel " end as the DS and so the

> > malabsorption is similar at that end. If the RNY or MGB is done as

> > a " proximal " , then very little malabsorption is created, therefore

> > although you will absorb more nutrients, i.e. vitamins/minerals, from

> > your food, you also will run the risk of less weight loss and a good

> > chance of long-term weight re-gain. Any surgery will require the

> > diligence of taking vitamins for optimum health.

> > For me, there was no choice, the DS was by far the better overall

> > surgery. I consider it to be the " cadillac " of WLS. I don't want to

> > worry about blockages, leaks, ulcers, dumping syndrome and the other

> > problems with RNY & MGB. I also don't want to every worry about re-

> > gaining the weight. The DS gives me the freedom to eat as a normal

> > person, chew as a normal person and never have to worry about eating

> > in public. This is all my opinion as I believe based on my research

> > of the surgeries.

> > On a final note: The 6 women in upper Michigan got help to get the

> > insurance approval for their surgery by the person this list hates

> > the most: . She had her surgery the same time as

> > these women. She fought the insurance companies for the right to

> > have this surgery. She had complications and now is against this

> > surgery. You can call it sour grapes or you can call it a warning.

> > Every surgery has the risk of complications. I am not against MGB.

> > I am not against RNY: I will still have it if DS is denied by my

> > insurance. I think Dr Rutledge has the most informative website and

> > without him I would not be making this great adventure.

> > So, in closing, thank you for inviting me to be a member of this

> > forum. I will be praying for all going into surgery.

> > Sincerely,

> > Viau@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

:

Welcome. The bottom line is that we each have to make our own decisions and we

need to support each other by supporting whatever that person's decision is..and

by not judging what type of wls surgery anyone chooses. You will not be judged

here if you don't have MGB. We'll root for you no matter what you decide.

What is really important is that we are overweight people trying to do what

needs to be done to regain our health.

Whatever your opinon, whatever you decide, welcome! I support you as a person

seeking good health. My way was with MGB and I have NO regrets whatsoever. For

me it was an easy decision to make. My Dr. recommended it, my insurance paid for

it, I had no complications and other than and one other person, I have

still never met a person who is unhappy with their results. But I do know that

it's not for everyone....nothing in life is cut and dried and for everyone.

(Thank goodness, because if it was, those of us who wanted only MGB wouldn't

have been able to schedule our surgery without a very bery long wait).

I hope that whatever path you choose will lead you to renewed health and high

self esteem!

Flo in land

> ** Original Subject: RE: Too Late

> **

> ** Original Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 09:45:38 -0700

> ** Original Message follows...

>

> I subscribed to this forum about 6 weeks ago and was denied. I

> filled out the questionaire and submitted it twice. Dr Rutledge

> failed to respond to me (I have had abdominal surgery so he did not

> bother with me as I was a bad risk?) So, when I was denied

> membership, I was shocked. But you know God is in control! I have

> been researching WLS for quite some time now. A woman I that works

> at the same hospital as I, had surgery with Dr Rutledge (5 other

> women in upper MI, too). My PCP advised me to go to Dr Rutledge. He

> gave me the information packet (has copies made of it) to make sure I

> was aware of all the things that I would have to do. The funny thing

> about all this is after the denial of membership and knowing that MGB

> is really not an option for me because of the previous surgeries, I

> started searching for a DR to do the RNY. I found a great one in

> Gainsville, FL by the name of Dr P Hocking. Works for Shands

> Hospital. But still researching (I am very anal about that) I came

> upon a site testimony on AMOS and went to her home page:

> http://www.mywls.com/ and followed a link on there about the type of

> surgery she had. That link was http://duodenalswitch.com. What I

> have learned there is my understanding and belief is that the DS

> transects the stomach in a way that keeps the food following the

> normal path down through the pyloric valve and into a portion of the

> duodenum which is where some of your vitamins and minerals begin

> absorption. The RNY & MGB totally bypasses the lower part of the

> stomach, pyloric valve and the duodenum, leaving those parts

> inactive. Therefore, I believe that you would have better

> vitamin/mineral absorption from the DS. The DS does have a greater

> malabsorption component where the food is not mixed with the

> digestive juices from the liver and pancreas until the last 100cm

> (approx.) and therefore some of the vitamins/minerals are not able to

> be gleaned out of the food as well as without this component. This

> portion of the DS is also an important reason why the DS surgery has

> better long-term weight loss maintenence and not likely to regain.

> On the other hand, in my opinion, the RNY & MGB creates an abnormal

> stomach with direct connection to the intestine without a pyloric

> valve and therefore has a whole slew of problems associated with that

> connection, with " dumping syndrome " (Like an open drain in your sink)

> being a main one that would not happen with DS. With the RNY & MGB,

> food will have to be chewed extensively or it could cause blockages

> and I wondered what it would be like in later life when I have false

> teeth and can not chew as well. Another major problem with that

> connection is a greater likelihood of ulcers, leaks and/or blockages

> from scarring to the " anastomis " (sp) or connection between the

> stomach pouch and intestine. Since the intestine is an alkaline

> environment and the stomach is an acidic environment, the two are not

> compatible without a valve separating them, thus creating a

> connection that will forever be prone to problems. Since the

> duodenum is bypassed, there is a problem with absorption of

> vitamins/minerals that are normally absorbed in the duodenum. If the

> RNY or MGB is done as a " distal " , then the intestinal bypass is

> similar at the " common channel " end as the DS and so the

> malabsorption is similar at that end. If the RNY or MGB is done as

> a " proximal " , then very little malabsorption is created, therefore

> although you will absorb more nutrients, i.e. vitamins/minerals, from

> your food, you also will run the risk of less weight loss and a good

> chance of long-term weight re-gain. Any surgery will require the

> diligence of taking vitamins for optimum health.

> For me, there was no choice, the DS was by far the better overall

> surgery. I consider it to be the " cadillac " of WLS. I don't want to

> worry about blockages, leaks, ulcers, dumping syndrome and the other

> problems with RNY & MGB. I also don't want to every worry about re-

> gaining the weight. The DS gives me the freedom to eat as a normal

> person, chew as a normal person and never have to worry about eating

> in public. This is all my opinion as I believe based on my research

> of the surgeries.

> On a final note: The 6 women in upper Michigan got help to get the

> insurance approval for their surgery by the person this list hates

> the most: . She had her surgery the same time as

> these women. She fought the insurance companies for the right to

> have this surgery. She had complications and now is against this

> surgery. You can call it sour grapes or you can call it a warning.

> Every surgery has the risk of complications. I am not against MGB.

> I am not against RNY: I will still have it if DS is denied by my

> insurance. I think Dr Rutledge has the most informative website and

> without him I would not be making this great adventure.

> So, in closing, thank you for inviting me to be a member of this

> forum. I will be praying for all going into surgery.

> Sincerely,

> Viau@...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Welcome to this list. It seems you have done a lot of research and decided

the DS is right for you. You go!

I am sure I am not alone (already saw a post from my hero Flo) in wishing

you the best in your quest for better health. I think that the bottom line

is-that is why we are all here.

Good luck!

Best Regards,

Donna Schanzenbacher

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