Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 > > Can any one tell me the difference between leaky gut and disbiosis? > How do you find out if you have disbiosis? Are they treated differently? > Leaky gut = what the problem is Dysbiosis = how the problem happens Leaky gut is essentially that - the tight junctions between the intestinal cells ain't so tight (more on that in the dysbiosis bit). These gaps allow all sorts of stuff that OUGHT NOT be in the body's general circulation. Maladigested food particles, viral and bacterial metabolites etc etc et all. This leakage provokes an immune response by the body (immune issues are another story, but in general this is a common complication). Use google images for 'human intestinal lining' or something like that. Neat pics available on the Web. Dysbiosis means the process of normal digestion, absorption and excretion has been fouled somehow. MANY causes: bacterial, yeast or viral overgrowth (lack of good flora), insufficient enzymes (stomach and/or pancreatic) intestinal wall damage. More etc. Basically the microvilli (top cell layer of small intestine) responsible for absorbing appropriate nutrients cannot - whether it is a celiac-type injury (those cells are damaged), an overgrowth issue (cells covered with inappropriate biofilm layers - unable to absorb), or due to lack of appropriate enzymes, nutrients are not in an appropriate form for absorption (try delivering a huge carton of mail through your post box and see how well THAT works). Most people with issues have all of this in some combination. The very general idea is that if you rectify the dysbiosis, the leaky gut will heal. But you must know what YOU are dealing with in order to have that happen ;-) For us personally, my son's main issue was one of overgrowth of intestinal anaerobic bacteria (more so than the yeast issue). Which is why being GFCFSFCFYF etc HELPED but he still had 39 IgG responses to foods after over a year of that diet. SCD (less IgG intolerances; and a few other things we did) brought these responses below ten within one year (we do a lot more than 'our brand' of scd; but this was a huge help). As his leaky gut healed, his immune response began to normalize. Glenn probably was an undx'd celiac. I'll never feed him gluten again. But we have a had a couple of scd " infractions " - things that would have sent him over the moon even WITH supplemental enzymes - now no troubles at all. Gut OR behavior (he's a pdd-nos kiddo). Pretty cool :-) Anyhow, long answer to a short q. Hope it helps. -christine (glenn scd+ since 2/5) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Thanks you helped more than one person here!! Becky Son 3 years old ASD SCD 1 month chrsdonohue wrote: > > Can any one tell me the difference between leaky gut and disbiosis? > How do you find out if you have disbiosis? Are they treated differently? > Leaky gut = what the problem is Dysbiosis = how the problem happens Leaky gut is essentially that - the tight junctions between the intestinal cells ain't so tight (more on that in the dysbiosis bit). These gaps allow all sorts of stuff that OUGHT NOT be in the body's general circulation. Maladigested food particles, viral and bacterial metabolites etc etc et all. This leakage provokes an immune response by the body (immune issues are another story, but in general this is a common complication). Use google images for 'human intestinal lining' or something like that. Neat pics available on the Web. Dysbiosis means the process of normal digestion, absorption and excretion has been fouled somehow. MANY causes: bacterial, yeast or viral overgrowth (lack of good flora), insufficient enzymes (stomach and/or pancreatic) intestinal wall damage. More etc. Basically the microvilli (top cell layer of small intestine) responsible for absorbing appropriate nutrients cannot - whether it is a celiac-type injury (those cells are damaged), an overgrowth issue (cells covered with inappropriate biofilm layers - unable to absorb), or due to lack of appropriate enzymes, nutrients are not in an appropriate form for absorption (try delivering a huge carton of mail through your post box and see how well THAT works). Most people with issues have all of this in some combination. The very general idea is that if you rectify the dysbiosis, the leaky gut will heal. But you must know what YOU are dealing with in order to have that happen ;-) For us personally, my son's main issue was one of overgrowth of intestinal anaerobic bacteria (more so than the yeast issue). Which is why being GFCFSFCFYF etc HELPED but he still had 39 IgG responses to foods after over a year of that diet. SCD (less IgG intolerances; and a few other things we did) brought these responses below ten within one year (we do a lot more than 'our brand' of scd; but this was a huge help). As his leaky gut healed, his immune response began to normalize. Glenn probably was an undx'd celiac. I'll never feed him gluten again. But we have a had a couple of scd " infractions " - things that would have sent him over the moon even WITH supplemental enzymes - now no troubles at all. Gut OR behavior (he's a pdd-nos kiddo). Pretty cool :-) Anyhow, long answer to a short q. Hope it helps. -christine (glenn scd+ since 2/5) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Wow ! You really kicked some butt on this one. I was going to write something similar that actually sounded retarded compared to what you wrote. My child also had many of these issues which are non-existent- except for those viruses. It took her quite a while longer though. She has had over 40+ sinus & ear infections in her life with antibiotics to follow. This is a huge reason why K had the dysbiosis. We haven't used antibiotics in a couple of years and we've been on SCD for a year and a half. She still gets a few sinus infections every year but, we are learning more natural remedies. She HAD severe autism + but, now I would say she is just a difficult child with a huge speech delay. The goat yogurt helped a bit with the speech but, nothing huge. She can copy what you say now & sometimes has a couple of spontaneous words but, really nothing more than that. I'm searching for the BIG answer to the speech problem. Holding onto hope, Jenn & K becky rogalski wrote: Thanks you helped more than one person here!! Becky Son 3 years old ASD SCD 1 month chrsdonohue wrote: > > Can any one tell me the difference between leaky gut and disbiosis? > How do you find out if you have disbiosis? Are they treated differently? > Leaky gut = what the problem is Dysbiosis = how the problem happens Leaky gut is essentially that - the tight junctions between the intestinal cells ain't so tight (more on that in the dysbiosis bit). These gaps allow all sorts of stuff that OUGHT NOT be in the body's general circulation. Maladigested food particles, viral and bacterial metabolites etc etc et all. This leakage provokes an immune response by the body (immune issues are another story, but in general this is a common complication). Use google images for 'human intestinal lining' or something like that. Neat pics available on the Web. Dysbiosis means the process of normal digestion, absorption and excretion has been fouled somehow. MANY causes: bacterial, yeast or viral overgrowth (lack of good flora), insufficient enzymes (stomach and/or pancreatic) intestinal wall damage. More etc. Basically the microvilli (top cell layer of small intestine) responsible for absorbing appropriate nutrients cannot - whether it is a celiac-type injury (those cells are damaged), an overgrowth issue (cells covered with inappropriate biofilm layers - unable to absorb), or due to lack of appropriate enzymes, nutrients are not in an appropriate form for absorption (try delivering a huge carton of mail through your post box and see how well THAT works). Most people with issues have all of this in some combination. The very general idea is that if you rectify the dysbiosis, the leaky gut will heal. But you must know what YOU are dealing with in order to have that happen ;-) For us personally, my son's main issue was one of overgrowth of intestinal anaerobic bacteria (more so than the yeast issue). Which is why being GFCFSFCFYF etc HELPED but he still had 39 IgG responses to foods after over a year of that diet. SCD (less IgG intolerances; and a few other things we did) brought these responses below ten within one year (we do a lot more than 'our brand' of scd; but this was a huge help). As his leaky gut healed, his immune response began to normalize. Glenn probably was an undx'd celiac. I'll never feed him gluten again. But we have a had a couple of scd " infractions " - things that would have sent him over the moon even WITH supplemental enzymes - now no troubles at all. Gut OR behavior (he's a pdd-nos kiddo). Pretty cool :-) Anyhow, long answer to a short q. Hope it helps. -christine (glenn scd+ since 2/5) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Jen, You say that everything has pretty much cleared up except for the viruses. Have you considered doing antiviral therapy for K(usually Valtrex). We're just starting it, and I'll be glad to tell you what I know if you're interested. Email me off list if you'd like. Meleah Re: Re: Disbiosis Wow ! You really kicked some butt on this one. I was going to write something similar that actually sounded retarded compared to what you wrote. My child also had many of these issues which are non-existent- except for those viruses. It took her quite a while longer though. She has had over 40+ sinus & ear infections in her life with antibiotics to follow. This is a huge reason why K had the dysbiosis. We haven't used antibiotics in a couple of years and we've been on SCD for a year and a half. She still gets a few sinus infections every year but, we are learning more natural remedies. She HAD severe autism + but, now I would say she is just a difficult child with a huge speech delay. The goat yogurt helped a bit with the speech but, nothing huge. She can copy what you say now & sometimes has a couple of spontaneous words but, really nothing more than that. I'm searching for the BIG answer to the speech problem. Holding onto hope, Jenn & K becky rogalski wrote: Thanks you helped more than one person here!! Becky Son 3 years old ASD SCD 1 month chrsdonohue wrote: > > Can any one tell me the difference between leaky gut and disbiosis? > How do you find out if you have disbiosis? Are they treated differently? > Leaky gut = what the problem is Dysbiosis = how the problem happens Leaky gut is essentially that - the tight junctions between the intestinal cells ain't so tight (more on that in the dysbiosis bit). These gaps allow all sorts of stuff that OUGHT NOT be in the body's general circulation. Maladigested food particles, viral and bacterial metabolites etc etc et all. This leakage provokes an immune response by the body (immune issues are another story, but in general this is a common complication). Use google images for 'human intestinal lining' or something like that. Neat pics available on the Web. Dysbiosis means the process of normal digestion, absorption and excretion has been fouled somehow. MANY causes: bacterial, yeast or viral overgrowth (lack of good flora), insufficient enzymes (stomach and/or pancreatic) intestinal wall damage. More etc. Basically the microvilli (top cell layer of small intestine) responsible for absorbing appropriate nutrients cannot - whether it is a celiac-type injury (those cells are damaged), an overgrowth issue (cells covered with inappropriate biofilm layers - unable to absorb), or due to lack of appropriate enzymes, nutrients are not in an appropriate form for absorption (try delivering a huge carton of mail through your post box and see how well THAT works). Most people with issues have all of this in some combination. The very general idea is that if you rectify the dysbiosis, the leaky gut will heal. But you must know what YOU are dealing with in order to have that happen ;-) For us personally, my son's main issue was one of overgrowth of intestinal anaerobic bacteria (more so than the yeast issue). Which is why being GFCFSFCFYF etc HELPED but he still had 39 IgG responses to foods after over a year of that diet. SCD (less IgG intolerances; and a few other things we did) brought these responses below ten within one year (we do a lot more than 'our brand' of scd; but this was a huge help). As his leaky gut healed, his immune response began to normalize. Glenn probably was an undx'd celiac. I'll never feed him gluten again. But we have a had a couple of scd " infractions " - things that would have sent him over the moon even WITH supplemental enzymes - now no troubles at all. Gut OR behavior (he's a pdd-nos kiddo). Pretty cool :-) Anyhow, long answer to a short q. Hope it helps. -christine (glenn scd+ since 2/5) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 I don't like doing the anti's at all. I have been doing some OLE & coconut oil for all natural antivirals. Doc prescribed nystatin but, I refused to give it to her for long due to the yeast maybe returning after treatment and being even stronger. I have been working hard getting rid of her yeast with probiotics & some other naturals. I like that way better I think because then nothing gets resistant. I also worry about long term side effects from those antivirals. Has there been a study of this sort done on Valtrex? I would love to learn as much as i can to get a good pic though. Please do email me offlist and let's chat about it. Jenn & K jlessard1@... robin wrote: Jen, You say that everything has pretty much cleared up except for the viruses. Have you considered doing antiviral therapy for K(usually Valtrex). We're just starting it, and I'll be glad to tell you what I know if you're interested. Email me off list if you'd like. Meleah Re: Re: Disbiosis Wow ! You really kicked some butt on this one. I was going to write something similar that actually sounded retarded compared to what you wrote. My child also had many of these issues which are non-existent- except for those viruses. It took her quite a while longer though. She has had over 40+ sinus & ear infections in her life with antibiotics to follow. This is a huge reason why K had the dysbiosis. We haven't used antibiotics in a couple of years and we've been on SCD for a year and a half. She still gets a few sinus infections every year but, we are learning more natural remedies. She HAD severe autism + but, now I would say she is just a difficult child with a huge speech delay. The goat yogurt helped a bit with the speech but, nothing huge. She can copy what you say now & sometimes has a couple of spontaneous words but, really nothing more than that. I'm searching for the BIG answer to the speech problem. Holding onto hope, Jenn & K becky rogalski wrote: Thanks you helped more than one person here!! Becky Son 3 years old ASD SCD 1 month chrsdonohue wrote: > > Can any one tell me the difference between leaky gut and disbiosis? > How do you find out if you have disbiosis? Are they treated differently? > Leaky gut = what the problem is Dysbiosis = how the problem happens Leaky gut is essentially that - the tight junctions between the intestinal cells ain't so tight (more on that in the dysbiosis bit). These gaps allow all sorts of stuff that OUGHT NOT be in the body's general circulation. Maladigested food particles, viral and bacterial metabolites etc etc et all. This leakage provokes an immune response by the body (immune issues are another story, but in general this is a common complication). Use google images for 'human intestinal lining' or something like that. Neat pics available on the Web. Dysbiosis means the process of normal digestion, absorption and excretion has been fouled somehow. MANY causes: bacterial, yeast or viral overgrowth (lack of good flora), insufficient enzymes (stomach and/or pancreatic) intestinal wall damage. More etc. Basically the microvilli (top cell layer of small intestine) responsible for absorbing appropriate nutrients cannot - whether it is a celiac-type injury (those cells are damaged), an overgrowth issue (cells covered with inappropriate biofilm layers - unable to absorb), or due to lack of appropriate enzymes, nutrients are not in an appropriate form for absorption (try delivering a huge carton of mail through your post box and see how well THAT works). Most people with issues have all of this in some combination. The very general idea is that if you rectify the dysbiosis, the leaky gut will heal. But you must know what YOU are dealing with in order to have that happen ;-) For us personally, my son's main issue was one of overgrowth of intestinal anaerobic bacteria (more so than the yeast issue). Which is why being GFCFSFCFYF etc HELPED but he still had 39 IgG responses to foods after over a year of that diet. SCD (less IgG intolerances; and a few other things we did) brought these responses below ten within one year (we do a lot more than 'our brand' of scd; but this was a huge help). As his leaky gut healed, his immune response began to normalize. Glenn probably was an undx'd celiac. I'll never feed him gluten again. But we have a had a couple of scd " infractions " - things that would have sent him over the moon even WITH supplemental enzymes - now no troubles at all. Gut OR behavior (he's a pdd-nos kiddo). Pretty cool :-) Anyhow, long answer to a short q. Hope it helps. -christine (glenn scd+ since 2/5) __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 How do you tell/test if it is leaky gut or disbiosis? I have 2 boys as well as me tested by SAGE SYSTEMS which showed multiple food allergies: beef, chicken, almond, egg, corn ect...........) IMMUNO 1 LABORATORIES Turned up with some of the same food allergies but did not include all the ones that were on SAGE. SYSTEMS. IMMUNO 1 LABORATORIES SHOWED just beef egg, milk yeastbrewers and bakers Rye are the main ones for food allergy ( NOT SHOWING ARE BEEF ,CHICKEN ECT. and R. Kartizenl said, I have leaky gut and I am assuming the boys too? I think MY oldest son cannot digest or absorb. He VERY PICKY, hardly eats anything and just a bite or two of anything, AND SENSORY ISSUES. He is 11 yr, weighs 62 pounds cannot digest or absorb other sons 9 yr old: weighs 98lbs, he cannot stop eating, he takes adderall for and he has lost 15lbs 8 yr old; weighs 85lbs, has reflux , neg endoscpoy, neg celiac per prometheus test. I am think dairy allergy for him I had them both tested for celiac by PROMETHEUS and it came back negative/ No IBD predicted. So I am at a loss as to where to turn or test. I am going to start GFCF this week. Thanks for your help, ------------------------------------------- > > How do you find out if you have disbiosis? Are --- becky rogalski wrote: > > > > > Can any one tell me the difference between leaky > gut and disbiosis? > > How do you find out if you have disbiosis? Are > they treated > differently? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 , Why not start SCD? Are you currently using SCD, or have they just been eating " regular " food? GF/CF may help some of their issues, but SCD can really help repair damage done to the gut...which should help with food sensitivities. Have you read Breaking the Vicious Cycle by Elaine Gottschall? It outlines the specific carbohydrate diet(SCD). Meleah Re: Re: Disbiosis How do you tell/test if it is leaky gut or disbiosis? I have 2 boys as well as me tested by SAGE SYSTEMS which showed multiple food allergies: beef, chicken, almond, egg, corn ect...........) IMMUNO 1 LABORATORIES Turned up with some of the same food allergies but did not include all the ones that were on SAGE. SYSTEMS. IMMUNO 1 LABORATORIES SHOWED just beef egg, milk yeastbrewers and bakers Rye are the main ones for food allergy ( NOT SHOWING ARE BEEF ,CHICKEN ECT. and R. Kartizenl said, I have leaky gut and I am assuming the boys too? I think MY oldest son cannot digest or absorb. He VERY PICKY, hardly eats anything and just a bite or two of anything, AND SENSORY ISSUES. He is 11 yr, weighs 62 pounds cannot digest or absorb other sons 9 yr old: weighs 98lbs, he cannot stop eating, he takes adderall for and he has lost 15lbs 8 yr old; weighs 85lbs, has reflux , neg endoscpoy, neg celiac per prometheus test. I am think dairy allergy for him I had them both tested for celiac by PROMETHEUS and it came back negative/ No IBD predicted. So I am at a loss as to where to turn or test. I am going to start GFCF this week. Thanks for your help, ------------------------------------------- > > How do you find out if you have disbiosis? Are --- becky rogalski wrote: > > > > > Can any one tell me the difference between leaky > gut and disbiosis? > > How do you find out if you have disbiosis? Are > they treated > differently? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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