Re: problems with bm and thrush -Patti

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti,

List of foods:

only organic fruit in season

boiled apples

banana

grapes (for a few few days)

kiwi (for a few days)

red lentils (last two days)

beef

pork

lamb(on occassion)

chicken

only organic veg in season:

leek

onion

parsley

butternut squash

gem squash

pumpkin

spinach

carrots

green beans

peas

broccoli

lettuce

tomatoes

tomato puree in glass containing no sugar

juice

mango only100ml per day

strawberry and guava

both these juices do not state that they do not contain extra sugar.

olive oil

butter (stopped)

cheese gouda and cheddar(stopped)

honey (stopped)

the butter cheese and honey I foolishly intoduced at the same time.

Sebastian started having what I call panic attacks: heart beating very fast,

sweaty hands and red face and chest. these panic attacks have always been a

result of food. we do keep a diary and like i say i foolishly introduced all

three at once. i think i felt so confident because everything has been going

much better.

He still has undigested food in his stool.

supplements:

FREEDA SCD Multivitamin and mineral I have been giving him 1/6 of a tablet 3

times per day after meals for the last 3 days. But am also worried because he

seems more tired than usual.

Are these multivitamin tablets alright for young children.

My son only weighs 13kg and most likely has a very bad gut. He has suffered

since he was ten hours old. He was vaccinated at ten hours old and had an

allergic reaction and suffered severe brain damage, he vomitted mucous for an

entire week and had mucous in all his bm's in his first week of life. He

vomitted all milk formulas for an entire year. Then we started him on a special

drink made from rice and then started having constipation.

The constipation gradually went away after two years and was replaced by runny

watery green very foul smelling bm's.

But since changing his diet his bm's have becaome brown and firm and the bad

odour has also gone.

We have been struggling for the last 5 years to help him.

We sent a stool sample of to Great Smokies Diagnostic Laboratory in 2005 and the

results showed Inflammatory Bowel Disease. When he was between 2-3yo he had

fresh blood in his bm's. He could never tolerate fruit well and we only started

him on fruit when he was 3.5 - 4yo.

Thanks for any advice

Tina

Re: problems with bm and thrush

Hi All,

My son Sebastian is 5yo but severely hadicapped as a result of vaccine damage.

We've been following SCD for 6months but still he has what I think is thrush

rectally. On occassion he will still have mucous in his bm. The only fruit he

has at the moment is boiled apple and bananas. Previously when he was between 2

and 3 yo he could not tolerate any fruit or juice and would immediately get oral

thrush.

What should I do.

Should I leave away all fruit.

I have just this last 1.5 weeks started with butter and cheese and notice his

bm sometimes are lighter in colour and sometimes go a greeny/mustardy colour.

Anytime he has green stools means he does not tolerate the foods.

Any comments

thanks

Tina

[Guest guest]

Tina,

There are a few things that pop out to me....

First of all, if you are seeing undigested food in his stool, I think that's a

strong sign that you need to take a step back to easier-to-digest foods. I would

return to all peeled and cooked food for him, until you are not seeing

undigested food in the stool.

I don't see that you've listed a probiotic supplement. Are you not giving him

acidophilus? He's not eating SCD yogurt either? Everyone on SCD needs to at

LEAST be on acidophilus. The point of the diet is to starve out the bad bugs....

but you must replace them with GOOD bugs.

I would recommend that you stop lentils. They are an advanced food and I

wouldn't recommend them for anyone unless they are already doing very well.

Kiwi is too advanced, unless you're cooking it and straining out the seeds. Kiwi

seeds are very laxative, by the way.

Grapes should probably be peeled..... and cooked..... or avoided for now. Peas

and broccoli are advanced... I would pull those out for now. It's too soon for

raw lettuce, if you're having these problems.

Commercially canned or jarred tomatoes are not legal. You can't just go by the

label. You would have to get a written statement (hard copy... not e-mail) from

the manufacturer, guaranteeing that NOTHING else is ever added.

The juices that you're using.... if they are commercially bottled, the same

goes for them. If they are not on the list of officially legal juices, there may

be traces of illegals that are not listed on the label.... so you need a written

statement from the company. (Disregard this if you have already done that. )

The biggest red flag to me is no probiotics and no yogurt. That is something I

would get going right away. You could make nut yogurt, if he does not tolerate

goat milk yogurt. You're not using any nuts at all, though..... is there an

allergy problem?

Patti

Re: problems with bm and thrush

Hi All,

My son Sebastian is 5yo but severely hadicapped as a result of vaccine damage.

We've been following SCD for 6months but still he has what I think is thrush

rectally. On occassion he will still have mucous in his bm. The only fruit he

has at the moment is boiled apple and bananas. Previously when he was between 2

and 3 yo he could not tolerate any fruit or juice and would immediately get oral

thrush.

What should I do.

Should I leave away all fruit.

I have just this last 1.5 weeks started with butter and cheese and notice his

bm sometimes are lighter in colour and sometimes go a greeny/mustardy colour.

Anytime he has green stools means he does not tolerate the foods.

Any comments

thanks

Tina

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti,

Thanks I've really been waiting for your reply.

I'm waiting for a yogurt maker at the moment.

We had blood tests done for food allergies and they showed up dairy allergy so

that's the reason I don't give yoghurt. Before these tests I gave Sebastian

commercially bought yoghurt and in that time his stoold was runny and green and

foul smelling.

I am however willing to try cow's milk yoghurt again as soon as I get my yoghurt

maker..

Lettuce I do boil.

All food is boiled except for grapes, mango, kiwi which I did not think needed

to be boiled. Kiwi I would only give 1 per month at the most.And grapes perhaps

1 per week.

I previously bought probiotics but stopped various brands because sebastian at

the time was not doing well on them.

Please let me know which brand of acidophilus I should give him.

I previously gave Sebastian ground (nut flour) hazelnuts and almonds but again

it was in the time his stool was green and runny so after I had started on this

diet I wanted to go slow so I can detect the food he reacts to and eliminate

it.

Every now and again I will give him a little bit of almond nut butter.

Can you tell me which foods are the easiest to digest.

I have noticed his bm has a smoother consistency and less undigested fibre this

last dayafter after being on the SCD multivitamin and mineral.

Thanks for your help, Patti

Tina

Re: problems with bm and thrush

Hi All,

My son Sebastian is 5yo but severely hadicapped as a result of vaccine damage.

We've been following SCD for 6months but still he has what I think is thrush

rectally. On occassion he will still have mucous in his bm. The only fruit he

has at the moment is boiled apple and bananas. Previously when he was between 2

and 3 yo he could not tolerate any fruit or juice and would immediately get oral

thrush.

What should I do.

Should I leave away all fruit.

I have just this last 1.5 weeks started with butter and cheese and notice his

bm sometimes are lighter in colour and sometimes go a greeny/mustardy colour.

Anytime he has green stools means he does not tolerate the foods.

Any comments

thanks

Tina

[Guest guest]

Tina,

You wrote:

<<We had blood tests done for food allergies and they showed up dairy allergy so

that's the reason I don't give yoghurt. Before these tests I gave Sebastian

commercially bought yoghurt and in that time his stoold was runny and green and

foul smelling.

I am however willing to try cow's milk yoghurt again as soon as I get my yoghurt

maker..>>

Was the allergy testing for COW dairy? Or GOAT?

We always recommend that parents start first with SCD 24-hr yogurt made from

GOAT milk, for ASD kids.... especially if they were previously casein free.

If he had runny, foul smelling stools after eating commercial yogurt, please

keep in mind that commercial yogurt is not fermented for a full 24 hours, so

that yogurt had lactose in it.... plus, MOST commercial yogurts have starches

and gums added (not to mention sugar and other illegals, oftentimes).

<<Lettuce I do boil.

All food is boiled except for grapes, mango, kiwi which I did not think needed

to be boiled. Kiwi I would only give 1 per month at the most.And grapes perhaps

1 per week.>>

I know you may not want to do this, but if his stools are not really in good

shape now, and you're not seeing yet the progress level that you really want by

now, you need to step back to all COOKED foods. That means YES..... even the

grapes, mango and kiwi. The only exception really is ripe banana.... which

does not need to be cooked, even for brand new beginners.

<<I previously bought probiotics but stopped various brands because sebastian at

the time was not doing well on them.>>

Were they just acidophilus alone? Are they probiotics ones you used before SCD?

Or since he's been on it?

<<Please let me know which brand of acidophilus I should give him.>>

I'm not sure which brands you previously tried, but Kirkman Labs has a legal

one.... look for their lactobacillus acidophilus in capsules. There is also

the SCDophilus from GI Pro Health (link on pecanbread.com). Be sure to read

through the " Probiotics " section on pecanbread.com for tips on how to introduce

probiotics for kids that don't tolerate a full dose right off the bat.

<<I previously gave Sebastian ground (nut flour) hazelnuts and almonds but again

it was in the time his stool was green and runny so after I had started on this

diet I wanted to go slow so I can detect the food he reacts to and eliminate it.

Every now and again I will give him a little bit of almond nut butter. Can you

tell me which foods are the easiest to digest.>>

We do suggest starting kids on nut butters first.... because they are more

smooth and easier to digest than nut flour. Peanut butter is very advanced,

though.... and is really a legume. We find that many kids do well with hazelnut

butter, macadamia butter, pecan butter (you have to make your own in a food

processor from raw pecans, adding oil so it won't just turn into a dry meal).

For a good reference on which foods are generally easier to digest.... and which

are considered more advanced.... look at the " Stages " chart on pecanbread.com,

under the " SCD Foods " link.... then scroll down to just below the " Beyond the

Intro Diet " section.

Patti

[Guest guest]

Dear patti,

The tests were done for

casein,

cheese(cow)

cows milk

whey (cow) and

yoghurt(cow), and

goats milk cheese.

The ref range >5 high

Sebastian's results

casein 9.49

cheese cow 6.99

milk cow 7.99

whey cow 10.46

yoghurt cow 14.77

goats milk cheese 2.84

Strangely though when we tried goats yoghurt bought from a health shop he

cramped like crazy.

Even when he was a baby we gave him goats milk and he always got a strange

rash... no sores or littles bumps but just something that looked like a sunburn

which would flare up and go away , this would usually be accompanied with

cramping and stiffness/ rigidity of his body.

Sebastian is autistic I don't think I've mentioned that.

Ever since he was small he had this sunburn type rash.

Today I'm sure it is related to food intolerance.

When we introduced the cheese and butter he again got these sunburn rashes that

would last for a few minutes and then disappear.

So even though I'm willing to try the yoghurt I'll watch out for this rash.

You mentioned making my own nut butter?

I am buying organic nut butter at the moment is this not SCD legal. The only

thing in the jar is the nut butter. Should I again get a letter stating it does

not contain anything else.

The probiotics I used prior to starting the diet. But they were not Kirkmans.

Thanks for your time

Tina

Re: problems with bm and thrush -Patti

Tina,

You wrote:

<<We had blood tests done for food allergies and they showed up dairy allergy

so that's the reason I don't give yoghurt. Before these tests I gave Sebastian

commercially bought yoghurt and in that time his stoold was runny and green and

foul smelling.

I am however willing to try cow's milk yoghurt again as soon as I get my

yoghurt maker..>>

Was the allergy testing for COW dairy? Or GOAT?

We always recommend that parents start first with SCD 24-hr yogurt made from

GOAT milk, for ASD kids.... especially if they were previously casein free.

If he had runny, foul smelling stools after eating commercial yogurt, please

keep in mind that commercial yogurt is not fermented for a full 24 hours, so

that yogurt had lactose in it.... plus, MOST commercial yogurts have starches

and gums added (not to mention sugar and other illegals, oftentimes).

<<Lettuce I do boil.

All food is boiled except for grapes, mango, kiwi which I did not think needed

to be boiled. Kiwi I would only give 1 per month at the most.And grapes perhaps

1 per week.>>

I know you may not want to do this, but if his stools are not really in good

shape now, and you're not seeing yet the progress level that you really want by

now, you need to step back to all COOKED foods. That means YES..... even the

grapes, mango and kiwi. The only exception really is ripe banana.... which does

not need to be cooked, even for brand new beginners.

<<I previously bought probiotics but stopped various brands because sebastian

at the time was not doing well on them.>>

Were they just acidophilus alone? Are they probiotics ones you used before

SCD? Or since he's been on it?

<<Please let me know which brand of acidophilus I should give him.>>

I'm not sure which brands you previously tried, but Kirkman Labs has a legal

one.... look for their lactobacillus acidophilus in capsules. There is also the

SCDophilus from GI Pro Health (link on pecanbread.com). Be sure to read through

the " Probiotics " section on pecanbread.com for tips on how to introduce

probiotics for kids that don't tolerate a full dose right off the bat.

<<I previously gave Sebastian ground (nut flour) hazelnuts and almonds but

again it was in the time his stool was green and runny so after I had started on

this diet I wanted to go slow so I can detect the food he reacts to and

eliminate it. Every now and again I will give him a little bit of almond nut

butter. Can you tell me which foods are the easiest to digest.>>

We do suggest starting kids on nut butters first.... because they are more

smooth and easier to digest than nut flour. Peanut butter is very advanced,

though.... and is really a legume. We find that many kids do well with hazelnut

butter, macadamia butter, pecan butter (you have to make your own in a food

processor from raw pecans, adding oil so it won't just turn into a dry meal).

For a good reference on which foods are generally easier to digest.... and

which are considered more advanced.... look at the " Stages " chart on

pecanbread.com, under the " SCD Foods " link.... then scroll down to just below

the " Beyond the Intro Diet " section.

Patti

[Guest guest]

Tina,

I'm sorry.... I thought I had answered this post, but don't think I did now.

Last week was WAY overbooked for me and I'm drowning in e-mail.

You said:

<<The tests were done for casein, cheese(cow) cows milk, whey (cow) and

yoghurt(cow), and goats milk cheese.>>

I didn't include the numbers here, just to save space. Your results for goat

cheese were much lower than all the cow dairy. I have to admit, I am not very

well aquainted with allergy testing. One thing I can say is that they obviously

did not test him with " SCD goat yogurt " .... and I will bet that his score for

that would be quite low, too. But, there is no way to know. Kids with leaky guts

tend to react to a LOT of things on allergy tests. I personally think we need to

pay closest attention to the actual response we SEE in the child. That can

change over time as the gut heals.... and so can the test numbers.

<<Strangely though when we tried goats yoghurt bought from a health shop he

cramped like crazy.>>

It's hard to know why.... but since it wasn't 24 hr SCD goat yogurt, that

store-bought yogurt undoubtedly had lactose in it. It's my guess that lactose is

the most likely culprit if there was severe gut cramping.

<<Even when he was a baby we gave him goats milk and he always got a strange

rash... no sores or littles bumps but just something that looked like a sunburn

which would flare up and go away , this would usually be accompanied with

cramping and stiffness/ rigidity of his body.>>

<<When we introduced the cheese and butter he again got these sunburn rashes

that would last for a few minutes and then disappear.>>

<<So even though I'm willing to try the yoghurt I'll watch out for this rash.>>

Well, again.... SCD goat YOGURT is very different from goat MILK. The

fermentation process takes out all the lactose and changes the casein, making it

more digestible. But,

you don't have to use any dairy if you don't want to.... so don't feel like you

are being pushed to do so.

I think if you take a step back with the foods.... remove the things that I

said were too advanced and sort of start over with very easy to digest foods,

then wait a while, until SCD has a chance to heal his gut further, the chances

of any kind of reaction would be much lower. If you introduce goat yogurt,

you'll only use a very miniscule amount to start with. Sometimes our SCD yogurt

does trigger die-off, so it's important not to mistake that for a dairy

reaction.

I know that you've technically been on SCD for six months now.... but I do

think you moved forward too quickly with some of those foods. Take out all raw

foods.... take out broccoli and peas (unless you use very young, petite peas...

and push them through a sieve after cooking, to remove the skins), etc.

And I really think you MUST add an acidophilus supplement.

<<You mentioned making my own nut butter?

I am buying organic nut butter at the moment is this not SCD legal.>>

What you are buying now is fine. I was talking about if you wanted to try PECAN

butter... you won't find it anywhere for sale. You would have to make your own,

simply because (as far as I know) it's unavailable. Pecans are usually

well-tolerated by most kids early on (hence the name of this group!). I

described the process to make your own pecan butter in my last post.

<<The only thing in the jar is the nut butter. Should I again get a letter

stating it does not contain anything else.>>

It's really the canned fruits and veggies that are most vulnerable to the

addition of added illegals. For some reason, it is common in that industry to

add " just a little " of some sort of sugar or starch, to tweak the taste of the

product.

<<The probiotics I used prior to starting the diet. But they were not

Kirkmans.>>

Okay.... well, we can't compare how he did before starting SCD. Either of the

two brands I listed in my last post are legal. The SCDophilus from GI Pro

Health is completely dairy free.

Also, do consider using one of the natural antifungals I talked about before, if

yeast is a big issue. I hate to see kids having all the fruit pulled out of

their diets because of yeast concerns. They NEED to have those carbohydrates.

Since you have not had any probiotics coming in all this time, and no yogurt, I

am not surprised to hear that yeast has taken over a little bit.

Again, I'm sorry for the delay in replying.

Patti

[Guest guest]

Dear patti,

Thanks for the reply,

I thought maybe you'd forgotten and was checking the emails everyday.

The l.acidophilus I've ordered. The yoghurt maker as well.

I think you are right about moving forward too fast I just was so worried about

his intake that I tried to move forward in order to introduce as much as I could

again.

So I've gone back to boilling chicken with just carrots or butternut squash ,

but I've noticed his bm's have been very pebbly again like little rabbit

droppings and hard with mucous in as well. The colour was sort of light brown to

brown And the odour has been bad. Since Tuesday his bm's are green and softer.

Sebastian has two days transit time so perhaps the fat in the chicken soup is

too much for him. which I'm seeing in his bm on Tuesday,I've noticed if he has

too much olive oil his bm's get green and also with too many vegetables and

fruit.

All his food is boiled even the fuit now except banana

The mucous worries me and the way the bm's are changing from hard to soft

WHat should I be doing now.

Should i be starting anti-fungals. Is this die -off or inflammation from the

wrong food.

I am still seeing undigested fibres in the bm's. How long does this take to

clear usually.

Thanks

Tina

mom to Sebastian on SCD 6months Autistic, Brain Injured

Thanks Tina

Re: problems with bm and thrush -Patti

Tina,

I'm sorry.... I thought I had answered this post, but don't think I did now.

Last week was WAY overbooked for me and I'm drowning in e-mail.

You said:

<<The tests were done for casein, cheese(cow) cows milk, whey (cow) and

yoghurt(cow), and goats milk cheese.>>

I didn't include the numbers here, just to save space. Your results for goat

cheese were much lower than all the cow dairy. I have to admit, I am not very

well aquainted with allergy testing. One thing I can say is that they obviously

did not test him with " SCD goat yogurt " .... and I will bet that his score for

that would be quite low, too. But, there is no way to know. Kids with leaky guts

tend to react to a LOT of things on allergy tests. I personally think we need to

pay closest attention to the actual response we SEE in the child. That can

change over time as the gut heals.... and so can the test numbers.

<<Strangely though when we tried goats yoghurt bought from a health shop he

cramped like crazy.>>

It's hard to know why.... but since it wasn't 24 hr SCD goat yogurt, that

store-bought yogurt undoubtedly had lactose in it. It's my guess that lactose is

the most likely culprit if there was severe gut cramping.

<<Even when he was a baby we gave him goats milk and he always got a strange

rash... no sores or littles bumps but just something that looked like a sunburn

which would flare up and go away , this would usually be accompanied with

cramping and stiffness/ rigidity of his body.>>

<<When we introduced the cheese and butter he again got these sunburn rashes

that would last for a few minutes and then disappear.>>

<<So even though I'm willing to try the yoghurt I'll watch out for this

rash.>>

Well, again.... SCD goat YOGURT is very different from goat MILK. The

fermentation process takes out all the lactose and changes the casein, making it

more digestible. But,

you don't have to use any dairy if you don't want to.... so don't feel like

you are being pushed to do so.

I think if you take a step back with the foods.... remove the things that I

said were too advanced and sort of start over with very easy to digest foods,

then wait a while, until SCD has a chance to heal his gut further, the chances

of any kind of reaction would be much lower. If you introduce goat yogurt,

you'll only use a very miniscule amount to start with. Sometimes our SCD yogurt

does trigger die-off, so it's important not to mistake that for a dairy

reaction.

I know that you've technically been on SCD for six months now.... but I do

think you moved forward too quickly with some of those foods. Take out all raw

foods.... take out broccoli and peas (unless you use very young, petite peas...

and push them through a sieve after cooking, to remove the skins), etc.

And I really think you MUST add an acidophilus supplement.

<<You mentioned making my own nut butter?

I am buying organic nut butter at the moment is this not SCD legal.>>

What you are buying now is fine. I was talking about if you wanted to try

PECAN butter... you won't find it anywhere for sale. You would have to make your

own, simply because (as far as I know) it's unavailable. Pecans are usually

well-tolerated by most kids early on (hence the name of this group!). I

described the process to make your own pecan butter in my last post.

<<The only thing in the jar is the nut butter. Should I again get a letter

stating it does not contain anything else.>>

It's really the canned fruits and veggies that are most vulnerable to the

addition of added illegals. For some reason, it is common in that industry to

add " just a little " of some sort of sugar or starch, to tweak the taste of the

product.

<<The probiotics I used prior to starting the diet. But they were not

Kirkmans.>>

Okay.... well, we can't compare how he did before starting SCD. Either of the

two brands I listed in my last post are legal. The SCDophilus from GI Pro Health

is completely dairy free.

Also, do consider using one of the natural antifungals I talked about before,

if yeast is a big issue. I hate to see kids having all the fruit pulled out of

their diets because of yeast concerns. They NEED to have those carbohydrates.

Since you have not had any probiotics coming in all this time, and no yogurt, I

am not surprised to hear that yeast has taken over a little bit.

Again, I'm sorry for the delay in replying.

Patti

[Guest guest]

Tina,

Since you've pulled back to much simpler SCD foods, you could now be seeing some

die-off. All kinds of color, smell and consistancy changes in the stools can be

seen in that case. If it's die-off, it will be temporary and things should

improve in a week or so. The mucous you're seeing also makes me think this is

die-off.

If you think he isn't doing well with the fat in the chicken soup, you can

certainly take that out. Chill the pot of soup in the fridge overnight and just

skim the solid fat off the top in the morning, then reheat by the serving as

needed. He really needs the broth... it's very healing for the gut.

I think the first and most important thing to start is the acidophilus.... start

with a SMALL amount and increase gradually. Don't just start off with the full

dose. See how he responds. That can trigger die-off, too.

If you're seeing undigested fibers in the stool, it may be one of several

reasons. First of all, his gut may not be capable of really digesting food

efficiently yet. Give it time to heal. It could also be that he isn't chewing

his food very well right now..... and that you need to puree his food for him.

This makes the food as easy to digest as possible, which is really what you want

at this point.

If he doesn't like his food pureed, you can still puree some of the cooked

veggies, but then mix them into pancake, muffin or meatloaf recipes. Some

parents add pureed cooked veggies to smoothies and the kids drink them down.

I would give it a couple of weeks before starting any natural antifungals. Then,

cautiously introduce grapefruit seed extract, or oil of oregano, or olive leaf

extract..... a VERY small dose to start, and just choose ONE of these, not all

three at once- then rotate them every few weeks.

Probiotics and yogurt will be good anti-fungals as well. You might also think

about introducing virgin coconut oil (although if he doesn't do well with fats

just yet, this might not be the best choice for Sebastian), or coconut milk

(homemade).

Patti

Re: problems with bm and thrush -Patti

Dear patti,

Thanks for the reply,

I thought maybe you'd forgotten and was checking the emails everyday.

The l.acidophilus I've ordered. The yoghurt maker as well.

I think you are right about moving forward too fast I just was so worried

about his intake that I tried to move forward in order to introduce as much as I

could again.

So I've gone back to boilling chicken with just carrots or butternut squash ,

but I've noticed his bm's have been very pebbly again like little rabbit

droppings and hard with mucous in as well. The colour was sort of light brown to

brown And the odour has been bad. Since Tuesday his bm's are green and softer.

Sebastian has two days transit time so perhaps the fat in the chicken soup is

too much for him. which I'm seeing in his bm on Tuesday,I've noticed if he has

too much olive oil his bm's get green and also with too many vegetables and

fruit.

All his food is boiled even the fuit now except banana

The mucous worries me and the way the bm's are changing from hard to soft

WHat should I be doing now.

Should i be starting anti-fungals. Is this die -off or inflammation from the

wrong food.

I am still seeing undigested fibres in the bm's. How long does this take to

clear usually.

Thanks

Tina

mom to Sebastian on SCD 6months Autistic, Brain Injured

Thanks Tina

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Hi Patti,

All of Sebastian's food is pureed.

In the time he was on the Cf Gf diet his stools were mushy and grainy, now we

see less of the " completely grainy " but still some of that " grainy " " undigested

fibre " , so that suggests he is getting better, right?

Do i understand correctly Sebastian should stay on very easy to digest foods

until he has no undigested bits.

On the pecanbread website they list 5 stages on which of these stages should

sebastian be until his bm's get better.

At the moment he is on

carrot chicken beef green beans grapes onion butternut banana leek spinach lamb

cucumber almond butter mango peach garlic pumpkin.

I realise a lo of these foods are in stage 4 and 5.

Do I need to go back to stage 1 and 2, until he has no undigested food? Can he

stay on such a minimum of foods for a while even if it is one or two months? I'm

worried about him not having a balanced diet?

Thanks for your time

I just wanted to add this group is really lovely for mom's especially when

paediatricians don't have a clue at how to help and gastroenterologists don't

really think diet plays a role. Thank you

Tina

Re: problems with bm and thrush -Patti

Dear patti,

Thanks for the reply,

I thought maybe you'd forgotten and was checking the emails everyday.

The l.acidophilus I've ordered. The yoghurt maker as well.

I think you are right about moving forward too fast I just was so worried

about his intake that I tried to move forward in order to introduce as much as I

could again.

So I've gone back to boilling chicken with just carrots or butternut squash ,

but I've noticed his bm's have been very pebbly again like little rabbit

droppings and hard with mucous in as well. The colour was sort of light brown to

brown And the odour has been bad. Since Tuesday his bm's are green and softer.

Sebastian has two days transit time so perhaps the fat in the chicken soup is

too much for him. which I'm seeing in his bm on Tuesday,I've noticed if he has

too much olive oil his bm's get green and also with too many vegetables and

fruit.

All his food is boiled even the fuit now except banana

The mucous worries me and the way the bm's are changing from hard to soft

WHat should I be doing now.

Should i be starting anti-fungals. Is this die -off or inflammation from the

wrong food.

I am still seeing undigested fibres in the bm's. How long does this take to

clear usually.

Thanks

Tina

mom to Sebastian on SCD 6months Autistic, Brain Injured

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>

> Hi Patti,

>

>> On the pecanbread website they list 5 stages on which of these stages should

sebastian be until his bm's get better.

>

The Stages were written as a guideline to easily digested foods and is based on

parents'

reports from four or five years ago. They are not an official part of SCD, are

practically

unknown to adults on other SCD groups and not an official part of SCD. Yet, many

of SCD's

ASD families have found them very helpful. You are not bound to use them. It is

a good

idea to avoid advanced foods though and there is more about this on the

Pecanbread

website.

www.pecanbread.com

Carol F.

SCD 7 years, celiac

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Tina,

Look for a nicely formed, " normal " looking stool. You are probably still going

to see " some " undigested fiber.... depending on what he's eaten. That's okay.

Stay with easy-to-digest foods until it's clear to you that there's been a big

improvement in stool consistancy, or in the other symptoms you started this diet

for.

Then, when you add in a food that's a bit harder to digest, just add a SMALL

amount of it..... only ONE new food at a time.... and always wait a few days and

watch for any changes.

Please don't worry too much about the " Stages " chart. It's meant to be a helpful

guide, not a rigid set of rules.

Patti

Re: problems with bm and thrush -Patti

Hi Patti,

All of Sebastian's food is pureed.

In the time he was on the Cf Gf diet his stools were mushy and grainy, now we

see less of the " completely grainy " but still some of that " grainy " " undigested

fibre " , so that suggests he is getting better, right?

Do i understand correctly Sebastian should stay on very easy to digest foods

until he has no undigested bits.

On the pecanbread website they list 5 stages on which of these stages should

sebastian be until his bm's get better.

At the moment he is on

carrot chicken beef green beans grapes onion butternut banana leek spinach

lamb cucumber almond butter mango peach garlic pumpkin.

I realise a lo of these foods are in stage 4 and 5.

Do I need to go back to stage 1 and 2, until he has no undigested food? Can he

stay on such a minimum of foods for a while even if it is one or two months? I'm

worried about him not having a balanced diet?

Thanks for your time

I just wanted to add this group is really lovely for mom's especially when

paediatricians don't have a clue at how to help and gastroenterologists don't

really think diet plays a role. Thank you

Tina

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