Re: New to SCD diet. Please help

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the Group Sam,

<< I recently joined the group and started the diet for my son with

yeast problems. He was already on a restricted diet....no

wheat,diary,soy,corn,eggs,nuts,colrs and preservatives.

> I tried the intro diet and could not feed him the chicken soup

for breakfast,lunch and dinner.....so I added some

vegetables ...zuchini,cauliflower,ripe bananas,spinach.

> I this wrong to do.

> I am running out of ideas to feed him. >>

There are some intro diet ideas, including ground beef meatballs,

beef patties with pureed carrots etc. at :

http://pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#intro

> Please help me with any recipes during the intro / beginning diet.

> He does not have diarrhia but his poop is mushy/foamy/not formed.

Since he doesn't have diarrhea he need only be on the intro for 2-3

days maximum after that you can add in new foods. Some ideas for

foods to add after the intro can be found at

http://pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#beyond

More recipes for after the intro at http://pecanbread.com/recipes.html

Since he has yeast problems. please see the " Yeast and SCD " file at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/files/

- it may be helpful *<:-)> (that's my sad attempt at a Santa face)

Sheila, SCD Feb, 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of Em and Dan

[Guest guest]

hi Shiela,

Thanks.Still I am not having enough recipes for 5 days so that I can send

lunch and snack to school. Without dairy,egg and nuts I mean. If you have any

recipes that you have tried on the intro diet / stage 1, let me know. Thanks for

the info.

SAM

Sheila Trenholm wrote:

Welcome to the Group Sam,

<< I recently joined the group and started the diet for my son with

yeast problems. He was already on a restricted diet....no

wheat,diary,soy,corn,eggs,nuts,colrs and preservatives.

> I tried the intro diet and could not feed him the chicken soup

for breakfast,lunch and dinner.....so I added some

vegetables ...zuchini,cauliflower,ripe bananas,spinach.

> I this wrong to do.

> I am running out of ideas to feed him. >>

There are some intro diet ideas, including ground beef meatballs,

beef patties with pureed carrots etc. at :

http://pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#intro

> Please help me with any recipes during the intro / beginning diet.

> He does not have diarrhia but his poop is mushy/foamy/not formed.

Since he doesn't have diarrhea he need only be on the intro for 2-3

days maximum after that you can add in new foods. Some ideas for

foods to add after the intro can be found at

http://pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#beyond

More recipes for after the intro at http://pecanbread.com/recipes.html

Since he has yeast problems. please see the " Yeast and SCD " file at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/files/

- it may be helpful *<:-)> (that's my sad attempt at a Santa face)

Sheila, SCD Feb, 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of Em and Dan

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[Guest guest]

Peel and cut the zuccini and cook it well.

Peel and cut the zuccini and fry it.

Cook carrots,green beans,and zuccini. Then slice them into thin

pieces. Stir fry them.

Make apple or pear sauce by putting peeled and seeded apples or pears

in the slow cooker.

Make popsicles from apple and pear sauce.

Bake chicken

For the homemade gelatin - cut it into kid shapes

Apple cider or grape juice (1/2 juice, 1/2 water) frozen into popsicles

The broiled beef patty rolled into little kid size meatballs.

From Vivian:

" I bake a chicken or chicken pieces and eat them plain. I find the

breast meat too dry, so I don't buy just breastmeat. Sometimes I take

the cooked chicken meat off and make patties in the food processor -

just chicken (including the skin - it's too dry without) egg, salt and

pepper. Blend up and cook as patties in a little oil or butter.

The leftovers from cooking (all the stuff in the bottom of the pan)

can be used for an instant broth - just add salt and maybe a bit of

water - great for when you are dying for a nice hot cup

of...something! I find that organic chickens tend not to have too much

fat and does not require that you take the fat off. (Also, the fat

helps you to feel full).

I also make patties the same way using beef mince. Or just cook up the

mince in a pan with a little oil or water and you get a crumbly

mixture which can be eaten anytime - hot or cold.

Other things I use regularly are grilled mutton chops. "

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I hope that other list members will share their recipes for the very

first days of the diet.

Mimi

[Guest guest]

Sam,

It may take a few days/weeks to get your kid used to eating new/different foods.

I saw a

video on YouTube where a dad explained that feeding your kid the same thing

every day

would help get them used to it .. he said his kid would puke on a new food and

every day

he had a little it went from puking, to gagging, to eating .. still didn't

" love " the food, but

he was eating it.

In the beginning I'd server my kids liquified chicken soup .. everything was

pureed. Didn't

like it at first then they slowly drank it from a straw. Then I moved on to

chicken pancakes:

(since you don't use eggs)

2 bananas

1 chicken breast

pinch of cinnamon (if you are comfortable using it)

blend it up and throw it on a griddle .. it may be thick so you can add some

water if you

need to. I'd form that or cut it into the shape of bread/or some fun shape and

throw

peanut butter and honey (again if you can use those) or other legal sandwich

foods on it

with some legal fruits or veggies.

Hope that helps for a day or so. Really my kids eat the same thing daily except

I try to

change the " form " of the foods.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sam,

<< I hope that other list members will share their recipes for the

very

> first days of the diet.

> Mimi >>

Although avocado (raw) is listed in stage 2 I was able to tolerate

cooked avocado early. I would blend 1/2 a ripe avocado with ground

chicken in the food processor and make meat patties or meatballs.

With chicken they turned out green so I told my kids they were

martian burgers. If you also made some burgers/meatballs with cooked

carrots and ground chicken they'd turn kind of orangey (unless you

can find the red carrots). Then you'd have red (orange) and green

meatballs. Festive for the Christmas season. I had them with a

little homemade mayonnaisesince I didn't tolerate ketchup. I also

made avocado buns with eggs (half avocado blended with 1 egg and

panfried like pancakes in a bun size).

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sheila,

Wonderful idea I'll try the avacado chihken meatballs today.

I have a few questions....

1] Can we use the vegetables and fruits (cooked) from stage 2 in the intro

diet if we have no diarrhia.

2] My son has no diarrhia now, so can we use a lentil ....or does it have bad

starches in it.

II know it is legal in the end of the diet but can we use it in the

beginning or will it help the bacteria to grow.

Thanks .

Sam

Sheila Trenholm wrote:

Hi Sam,

<< I hope that other list members will share their recipes for the

very

> first days of the diet.

> Mimi >>

Although avocado (raw) is listed in stage 2 I was able to tolerate

cooked avocado early. I would blend 1/2 a ripe avocado with ground

chicken in the food processor and make meat patties or meatballs.

With chicken they turned out green so I told my kids they were

martian burgers. If you also made some burgers/meatballs with cooked

carrots and ground chicken they'd turn kind of orangey (unless you

can find the red carrots). Then you'd have red (orange) and green

meatballs. Festive for the Christmas season. I had them with a

little homemade mayonnaisesince I didn't tolerate ketchup. I also

made avocado buns with eggs (half avocado blended with 1 egg and

panfried like pancakes in a bun size).

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sam,

<< 1] Can we use the vegetables and fruits (cooked) from stage 2 in

the intro diet if we have no diarrhia. >>

You can go ahead and add in the peeled and cooked fruits and

vegetables that are listed in stage 2 on the Beyond the intro diet

chart but they are just that...they are all foods that are *Beyond*

the intro. The intro should only be done for a MAXIMUM of 2-5 days.

I'm not yelling but sometimes this important information often gets

lots in the sea of SCD info. Some people end up staying on the intro

for weeks and wonder why they experience extreme fatigue etc. Also

although we do recommend to do the intro for 2-5 days some people

just cannot do it at all -their children will not eat any of the

intro diet foods. In that case they start with whatever foods the

child will eat that are the easiest and most basic foods on the diet.

Another thing to think of is that with the intro diet it need be

done for only two days to get that *headstart* in killing off the

harmful microbes. During those two days the person can eat as much

of any of the foods that are on the intro. Some eat the chicken soup

for the entire time others just stick to meatballs and carrots for

their snacks and meals. It isn't a healthy thing to do long term but

for the short time period it provides some nutrition to the person

while starving out the nasties.

Summing up your options:

1. do the intro as is for 2-5 days. eating whatever he will from the

list of intro foods

2. start the intro and if you get half a day or only one day go with

that.

3. skip the intro and start the diet with foods that you know your

child are more likely to consume.

Bottom line, the most important thing is to cut out the SCD illegal

sugars and starches (etc.) this will ultimately starve out the

harmful microbes.

<< 2] My son has no diarrhia now, so can we use a lentil ....or does

it have bad starches in it.

II know it is legal in the end of the diet but can we use it in

the beginning or will it help the bacteria to grow. >>

I would strongly caution against using even a properly prepared SCD

lentil at this point for your child. It is quite likely that there

is still substantial overgrowth of harmful microorganisms and if your

child isn't ready to digest the more complex components of the cooked

lentils it will feed the nasties.

The legal lentils when properly prepared don't have " bad starches "

but they do have specific carbohydrates that are more complex than

the easier to digest foods listed in the first stages of the Beyond

the intro chart. After sufficient healing has occured these complex

carbs should be fine for your son to digest on the diet.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions....I will start

over again with intro diet for both my boys in 1 day. Will let know how it goes.

Thanks.

SAM

Sheila Trenholm wrote:

Hi Sam,

<< 1] Can we use the vegetables and fruits (cooked) from stage 2 in

the intro diet if we have no diarrhia. >>

You can go ahead and add in the peeled and cooked fruits and

vegetables that are listed in stage 2 on the Beyond the intro diet

chart but they are just that...they are all foods that are *Beyond*

the intro. The intro should only be done for a MAXIMUM of 2-5 days.

I'm not yelling but sometimes this important information often gets

lots in the sea of SCD info. Some people end up staying on the intro

for weeks and wonder why they experience extreme fatigue etc. Also

although we do recommend to do the intro for 2-5 days some people

just cannot do it at all -their children will not eat any of the

intro diet foods. In that case they start with whatever foods the

child will eat that are the easiest and most basic foods on the diet.

Another thing to think of is that with the intro diet it need be

done for only two days to get that *headstart* in killing off the

harmful microbes. During those two days the person can eat as much

of any of the foods that are on the intro. Some eat the chicken soup

for the entire time others just stick to meatballs and carrots for

their snacks and meals. It isn't a healthy thing to do long term but

for the short time period it provides some nutrition to the person

while starving out the nasties.

Summing up your options:

1. do the intro as is for 2-5 days. eating whatever he will from the

list of intro foods

2. start the intro and if you get half a day or only one day go with

that.

3. skip the intro and start the diet with foods that you know your

child are more likely to consume.

Bottom line, the most important thing is to cut out the SCD illegal

sugars and starches (etc.) this will ultimately starve out the

harmful microbes.

<< 2] My son has no diarrhia now, so can we use a lentil ....or does

it have bad starches in it.

II know it is legal in the end of the diet but can we use it in

the beginning or will it help the bacteria to grow. >>

I would strongly caution against using even a properly prepared SCD

lentil at this point for your child. It is quite likely that there

is still substantial overgrowth of harmful microorganisms and if your

child isn't ready to digest the more complex components of the cooked

lentils it will feed the nasties.

The legal lentils when properly prepared don't have " bad starches "

but they do have specific carbohydrates that are more complex than

the easier to digest foods listed in the first stages of the Beyond

the intro chart. After sufficient healing has occured these complex

carbs should be fine for your son to digest on the diet.

Sheila, SCD Feb. 2001, UC 23 yrs

mom of and

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