Re: Re: can anyone recommend a good yogurt maker for the scd diet?

[Guest guest]

The key to using raw milk is the source. If it is a small farm it will be

fine. People did not get sick from raw milk until dairy farming became big

business instead of small clean farms where the cows were healthy. My

family has used raw milk for years as well as MANY people I know and no one

has ever gotten sick from it. Check out Mercola.com for info. on raw milk.

There are many good things that pasteurization kills in the milk just like

antibiotics kill good along with the bad. Also, the milk proteins are

altered which can cause more milk allergies.

Do your research and decide, don't just go by the milk industries scare

tactics!

-- [Norton AntiSpam] Re: can anyone recommend a good

yogurt maker for the scd diet?

>

> also, can any kind of milk be used or is it better to use raw milk? It

seems like the

pastuerization process in most milk is not a good thing....is this right?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll second this. My mom grew up on a farm, and drank raw milk her entire life.

It really doesn't matter when we get down to it because when making proper SCD

yogurt, it must be heated to at least 180 degrees no matter if it is raw,

pasturized, farm purchased, or grocery store purchased. But, I just wanted to

throw in my agreement that people used to drink raw milk all the time with no

problem.

Meleah

[Norton AntiSpam] Re: can anyone recommend a good

yogurt maker for the scd diet?

>

> also, can any kind of milk be used or is it better to use raw milk? It

seems like the

pastuerization process in most milk is not a good thing....is this right?

>

>

[Guest guest]

this site has good information about raw milk: http://

www.realmilk.com/what.html

read below what is says about crohn's disease. are you sure that

elaine says to pasteurize (heat to 180) RAW goat milk? that doesn't

make any sense. raw, unpasteurized milk is much less dangerous than

pasteurized, which no longer contains the beneficial bugs that keep

the bad guys from proliferating.

-silvia

" Real Milk is not pasteurized.

Pasteurization destroys enzymes, diminishes vitamin content,

denatures fragile milk proteins, destroys vitamins C, B12 and B6,

kills beneficial bacteria, promotes pathogens and is associated with

allergies, increased tooth decay, colic in infants, growth problems

in children, osteoporosis, arthritis, heart disease and cancer.

Calves fed pasteurized milk do poorly and many die before maturity.

Raw milk sours naturally but pasteurized milk turns putrid;

processors must remove slime and pus from pasteurized milk by a

process of centrifugal clarification. Inspection of dairy herds for

disease is not required for pasteurized milk. Pasteurization was

instituted in the 1920s to combat TB, infant diarrhea, undulant fever

and other diseases caused by poor animal nutrition and dirty

production methods. But times have changed and modern stainless steel

tanks, milking machines, refrigerated trucks and inspection methods

make pasteurization absolutely unnecessary for public protection. And

pasteurization does not always kill the bacteria for e’s disease

suspected of causing Crohn's disease in humans with which most

confinement cows are infected. Much commercial milk is now ultra-

pasteurized to get rid of heat-resistant bacteria and give it a

longer shelf life. Ultra-pasteurization is a violent process that

takes milk from a chilled temperature to above the boiling point in

less than two seconds. Clean raw milk from certified healthy cows is

available commercially in several states and may be bought directly

from the farm in many more. (Sources are listed on www.realmilk.com.) "

> The key to using raw milk is the source. If it is a small farm it

> will be

> fine. People did not get sick from raw milk until dairy farming

> became big

> business instead of small clean farms where the cows were

> healthy. My

> family has used raw milk for years as well as MANY people I know

> and no one

> has ever gotten sick from it. Check out Mercola.com for info. on

> raw milk.

> There are many good things that pasteurization kills in the milk

> just like

> antibiotics kill good along with the bad. Also, the milk proteins are

> altered which can cause more milk allergies.

> Do your research and decide, don't just go by the milk industries

> scare

> tactics!

>

>

>

> -- [Norton AntiSpam] Re: can anyone recommend a

> good

> yogurt maker for the scd diet?

>

>

>>

>> also, can any kind of milk be used or is it better to use raw

>> milk? It

> seems like the

> pastuerization process in most milk is not a good thing....is this

> right?

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

<<are you sure that elaine says to pasteurize (heat to 180) RAW goat milk?>>

Yes..... you absolutely MUST heat the milk (raw or otherwise.... but ESPECIALLY

if raw) before adding starter and fermenting into yogurt. If you skipped this

step, you would have other BAD bacteria competing.... and GROWING.... in the

medium.

The heating step is essential.... and it's purpose is to provide a sterile

starting point for fermenting yogurt.

Patti

[Guest guest]

i was just thinking too that there are only certain strains of

bacteria that are desirable, right? not all the different types that

are present in real milk. maybe this is another reason to kill all

the bacteria in the beginning. anyway there might still be some

benefit to using raw, because it won't be " ultra-pasteurized " , and

then maybe some of the beneficial enzymes will be present.

yes, i think the realmilk site is somehow related to the weston price

site.

thanks for bringing up this topic. it's really interesting to learn

all this stuff.

silvia

>

>>

>> this site has good information about raw milk: http://

>> www.realmilk.com/what.html

>>

>> read below what is says about crohn's disease. are you sure that

>> elaine says to pasteurize (heat to 180) RAW goat milk? that doesn't

>> make any sense. raw, unpasteurized milk is much less dangerous than

>> pasteurized, which no longer contains the beneficial bugs that keep

>> the bad guys from proliferating.

>>

>> -silvia

>>

> Is this from of Weston-Price?

>

> From Elaine's website

>

> " SCD™ 24 HR yoghurt really is one of the most healthy foods you can

> find and its

> incredibly good value too. What else gives you 700 BILLION good

> bacteria per cup, lots of

> protein, vitamins, minerals, amino acids in an easy to digest,

> delicious tasting, incredible

> value, food. If you had to try to buy the same in a manufactured

> product you would have

> hundreds of pills and of course they would need to pack chemicals

> in with them to allow

> them to be manufactured. "

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 7 years, celiac

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

> the following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

The real milk site is run by the Weston Price Foundation.

Meleah

Re: Re: can anyone recommend a good yogurt maker for

the scd diet?

i was just thinking too that there are only certain strains of

bacteria that are desirable, right? not all the different types that

are present in real milk. maybe this is another reason to kill all

the bacteria in the beginning. anyway there might still be some

benefit to using raw, because it won't be " ultra-pasteurized " , and

then maybe some of the beneficial enzymes will be present.

yes, i think the realmilk site is somehow related to the weston price

site.

thanks for bringing up this topic. it's really interesting to learn

all this stuff.

silvia

>

>>

>> this site has good information about raw milk: http://

>> www.realmilk.com/what.html

>>

>> read below what is says about crohn's disease. are you sure that

>> elaine says to pasteurize (heat to 180) RAW goat milk? that doesn't

>> make any sense. raw, unpasteurized milk is much less dangerous than

>> pasteurized, which no longer contains the beneficial bugs that keep

>> the bad guys from proliferating.

>>

>> -silvia

>>

> Is this from of Weston-Price?

>

> From Elaine's website

>

> " SCD™ 24 HR yoghurt really is one of the most healthy foods you can

> find and its

> incredibly good value too. What else gives you 700 BILLION good

> bacteria per cup, lots of

> protein, vitamins, minerals, amino acids in an easy to digest,

> delicious tasting, incredible

> value, food. If you had to try to buy the same in a manufactured

> product you would have

> hundreds of pills and of course they would need to pack chemicals

> in with them to allow

> them to be manufactured. "

>

> Carol F.

> SCD 7 years, celiac

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

> the following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>