Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Debbie, Wow... it sounds like you've tried almost every trick in the book. Too bad he won't drink the electrolyte drink but I know you can't force him. Is it the phenols in those foods that cause the hyper-stimminess and the red cheeks? What about digestive enzymes? Have you ever tried them? I see that you're not using any nuts. Do those cause problems for him? I'm just thinking that adding in a little pecan flour in a muffin might help with constipation just a bit. I'm just really uncomfortable with a kid not having a BM for several days. I'm sure he is, too! I seem to remember something posted on another list about magnesium citrate. I will look for it and forward it to you privately. It could be that if you tried another form of magnesium, you might not get that stimmy response. I know that magnesium oxide is considered a poor form, in terms of absorbtion.... but it does have a laxative effect, too, like the citrate. Have you tried that one? It just sounds like you have a kid with a super-duper leaky gut.... and that's why he reacts to so many of these foods. I sure hope we can find something that helps. Patti Re: Is this typical? Patti, > > Constipation is fairly common in the beginning. > Have you tried the electrolyte drink? I keep hearing people reporting that it helps so much with constipation. I've tried it, but he won't drink it even when I mix his juice in with it to make it taste better. I've also tried the constipation protocol, but prune juice gives him horrible rashy cheeks and he gets wild running around stimming, hyper, etc. > Does he take the magnesium and vit C on a daily basis? Or do you only use those in large doses when he's constipated? I was just wondering if maybe a little bit higher daily dose would keep it from getting so bad. You've probably already thought of that. I think that he is reacting to the magnesium now. Every time I give it to him he has problems at school and he seems to be more stimmy. The vitamin C makes his bm's total liquid. That is why I don't give these daily anymore. After 3 days of giving him these, he is hyper, not focues, verbally stimming, visual stimming, etc. That is why we are praying that this diet will heal his gut enough to keep him from having this C problem so we don't have to mess him up by giving him stuff to get him to have a bm. > Cooked apples and ripe bananas are both.... reportedly.... considered to be " binding " . In other words, they tend to firm up the stool... so they are good foods for someone who has diarrhea. Might not be good in his case. I've taken these out of his diet off and on over the past couple of years and it doesn't seem to make a difference in causing his C, it seems like he does better with the banana in his diet than without it. Like I said in my earlier post, he will have a week or more of eating these foods and having good bm's daily without any stuff to make him go, then without a reason we can determine, he stops going. > Do you mix any pureed veggies into his meat patties? This is one way to hide them. I keep trying. He is very very picky about the texture of his meat patties, so it has been hard. > When you say he " doesn't tolerate " zucchini, butternut squash or pumpkin... what do you mean by that? What happens? He gets rashy red cheeks and I see some behavior changes. The same thing with egg yolk and lots of other foods. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 I want to correct myself.... I just wrote: <<magnesium oxide is considered a poor form, in terms of absorbtion.... but it does have a laxative effect>> I actually have always thought this was true.... but just ran across the following info on magnesium at the Kirkman Labs website, so wanted to pass it along: << Oxide- Tends to firm stools Glycinate- A very gentle form, easier on the system Citrate- Tends to loosen stools Sulfate- Tends to loosen stools Chloride- Tends to loosen stools >> Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Instead of using peanut butter in the waffles and muffins, you can try cashew butter / almond butter. Same texture, yet much easier to tolerate. debkirk3 wrote: Patti, > > Is it the phenols in those foods that cause the hyper-stimminess and the red cheeks? I'm not sure. The red cheeks are more like eczema, not just the feverish red cheeks that tend to be more from phenol. > What about digestive enzymes? Have you ever tried them? I have the No-Fenol, but can't seem to get on a regular system for it. I also want to start adding in other digestive enzymes. I've just been trying to get him on a group of foods I know I can trust, then I wanted to add them in. I think I should probably start adding them in though and they may help him tolerate more things. > > I see that you're not using any nuts. Do those cause problems for him? I'm just thinking that adding in a little pecan flour in a muffin might help with constipation just a bit. He does fine with pecans, hazelnuts, and macadamia nuts, but he doesn't seem to like the nut muffins I've made. We were SCD for a year a little over a year ago and he only liked the peanut butter waffles or muffins I would make. I started peanut butter way too early last time and gave him way too much, and that is why I think we didn't do as well on SCD as we could have. I think he might like the nut muffins if I could get some other flavor in them that would mask some of the nutty flavor. > > I'm just really uncomfortable with a kid not having a BM for several days. I'm sure he is, too! I hate it too. Some of his behavior could be not having a bm for so many days. Debbie, mom to Carson 4 ASD, SCD 10/06 --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 It is. Try making pecan butter- 1 cup pecans with 1 Tbsp. oil-blend in fp until smooth. Meleah Re: Is this typical? > > Instead of using peanut butter in the waffles and muffins, you can try cashew butter / almond butter. Same texture, yet much easier to tolerate. > He can't tolerate the almond butter, but I thought the cashew butter was supposed to be used later also. Debbie, mom to Carson 4 ASD, SCD 10/06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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