Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Patti, I don't feel a need to " go there " with the oxalates. It was just one gritty poop and I thought that it was temporary. I also was under the impression that SCD dealt with these issues as the gut heals, right. I mean oxalate and phenol issues. Those problems come from the problem of not digesting food properly, right? Therefore, it would seem that as the gut heals then proper digestion of phenols and oxalates will occur. I don't know a lot about oxalates, to be honest, I'm not sure what they are. By the way, we made carrot and garlic juice this morning and Benito drank about 2 oz. I thought that was pretty good for the first time...... Hinojosa 3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007 Re: Sandy Stools If you're child does have an oxylate issue (as I belive mine does), you'll need additional diet change. Recent Activity a.. 17New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 YAY! That's great that he liked the carrot juice and garlic! I don't really like to " go there " on the whole oxalate issue here on this list either.... but it starts to play in for a lot of these kids, I think.... so I am just concerned when the subject comes up here because it's obvious that some parents are still turning to limiting oxalate containing foods in the diet, or combining SCD with other diets.... and I think that can be unhealthy, or even dangerous. SCD itself (especially because of the yogurt and probiotics) will tend to help dissolve calcium oxalate crystals.... but the underlying problem (according to ) is one of calcium management. She feels strongly that the kids need their fat soluable vitamin levels up in the appropriate range so the body can put calcium where it belongs. If those aren't adequate, then as crystals dissolve, calcium is pulled back into circulation.... and the body can't put it in the bones and teeth without the A, D and K being there to activate the bone proteins.... so the body responds to excess calcium as a DANGER to the brain and other organs, and triggers the liver to manufacture oxalate to bind up the calcium .... back into calcium oxalate crystals. That's the super-simplified version of her theory... so I really strongly urge everyone to go read up on that. We feel that Katera's seizures actually started getting worse on SCD our first time around (after the first year) because we were getting to the point of really dissolving those crystals from liberal use of SCD yogurt, but calcium can aggravate seizures if it's floating around unmanaged (we were not supplementing A, D or K at that time). Patti Re: Re: Re: Sandy Stools Patti, I don't feel a need to " go there " with the oxalates. It was just one gritty poop and I thought that it was temporary. I also was under the impression that SCD dealt with these issues as the gut heals, right. I mean oxalate and phenol issues. Those problems come from the problem of not digesting food properly, right? Therefore, it would seem that as the gut heals then proper digestion of phenols and oxalates will occur. I don't know a lot about oxalates, to be honest, I'm not sure what they are. By the way, we made carrot and garlic juice this morning and Benito drank about 2 oz. I thought that was pretty good for the first time...... Hinojosa 3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007 Recent Activity a.. 17New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Hello everyone! I have been reading the information about the sandy stools and I'd like to say that it cannot be because of SCD. My daughter has had sandy stools for a long time before she was diagnosed with PDD and I had no idea why. She still has sandy stools in every BM so I believe she has problems with oxalates. Now I know why. Being on the SCD has helped her a lot with behavior and it has helped me too, to understand the reason for many of the symptoms of her condition. I read about the Vita K protocol and I think it makes a lot of sense. I'm just waiting for the right time to start the protocol. has been on SCD only for 5 weeks so I think it's a little too early to start. Thanks for all the information that helps clueless moms like me. Ximena cmtamaro wrote: SCD is doing a few things: 1. It is, of course, reducing GI microbial overgrowth so that inflammation drops, which makes it easier for oxalates to start flowing out through the GI tract. 2. ISCD slows calcium absorption, which is good because the children are absorbing too much calcium. 3. The probiotics can actually survive in the gut after SCD is started - before then they probably could not. 4. The lactic acid bacteria in the probiotics can now start breaking down oxalates, which signals the body to deposit more oxalates into the GI tract for disposal. The increased flow of oxalates to the gut can cause more GI symptoms - pain and mushy stools are typical. 4. As the oxalate in calcium oxalate crystals is broken down, the freed-up calcium is left behind and without lots of magnesium to protect the neurons and K2 to bind the calcium, the calcium can bombard the neurons causing regression, stimmy behavior etc. AGain this is blamed on SCD when the cause is something else. 5. I think that the body really wants to get rid of oxalates. As conditions improve from SCD, the body starts pushing oxalates out. The more conditions improve, the faster the body dumps oxalates. This process seems to follow the introduction of SCD by several months and is blamed on SCD when in reality it's oxalate detox. Hope that helps, > > Hi , > > You have said, though, that you feel SCD help the body get rid of oxalate crystals, right? I want to be sure I'm not confused on that. Do you think it's just the probiotics or the SCD yogurt that do that.... or do you think the body starts pushing this stuff out, as it detoxes on SCD? > > Just wondering why it might seem that the kids don't exhibit any overt " problems " ... and then once on SCD, it's recognized. > > Patti > > Re: Sandy Stools > > > SCD is not higher in oxalates than GFCF or other diets. Moreover, > the nuts that are a part of SCD are high in INSOLUBLE oxalates which > are not a problem. Insoluble oxalates are oxalates that are already > bound to calcium; they are not absorbed but just pass through the > intestines. > > The sandy stools may very well be a manifestation of calcium oxalate > crystals but there is no evidence whatsoever that SCD has anything > to do with the problem. Fungus makes oxalates, and it is possible > the child himself is making oxalates internally due to faulty > chemistry. > > > > > Recent Activity > a.. 17New Members > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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