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It's quite common in the beginning.... should not last long. I honestly must

admit that I don't know what the sandy stuff actually is, though.

If it continues on and on, I suppose you'd need to get a doctor's opinion.

Patti

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Hello,

I know that I have read other parents talking about sandy gritty stools.

Benito has had gritty stools before but this was literally like sand. Gritty. I

just would like to know if this is a normal part of the process and that all is

well. I know he is experiencing more die off but this sandy stool stuff is

really amazing to me.....the body is truly a mystery to me.

Thanks

Hinojosa

3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007

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, Carson has had lots of the gritty sandy stools before, but

they have really subsided since we have been SCD. Dr. Krigsman, a GI

doc that does tons of scopes on ASD kids, says that he sees tons of

the sandy stools, and no one has really determined why or what it

is. He hopes to solve that mystery in his career. Some people say

it could be die off yeast and/or bacteria, it could be oxalates, or

something they just don't know. Whatever it is, I just know it is

hard to clean off unless you shower them off.

Debbie, mom to Carson 4 ASD, SCD restart 10/06

>

> Hello,

>

> I know that I have read other parents talking about sandy gritty

stools. Benito has had gritty stools before but this was literally

like sand. Gritty. I just would like to know if this is a normal

part of the process and that all is well. I know he is experiencing

more die off but this sandy stool stuff is really amazing to

me.....the body is truly a mystery to me.

>

> Thanks

>

> Hinojosa

> 3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007

>

>

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hi stephanie,

i am on a few groups and i hear that children who are having issues

with oxalates usually have gritty sandy stools. i know some mums on

this group have this issue and then it passes which would mean it

wasnt an oxalate issue as scd is high in oxalates due to nuts and

other allowed foods... so if it does not improve it would be worth

looking at oxalates.

good luck,

roweena x

mum to audrey scd july 2006

Sandy Stools

Hello,

I know that I have read other parents talking about sandy gritty

stools. Benito has had gritty stools before but this was literally

like sand. Gritty. I just would like to know if this is a normal part

of the process and that all is well. I know he is experiencing more

die off but this sandy stool stuff is really amazing to me.....the

body is truly a mystery to me.

Thanks

Hinojosa

3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007

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Fwiw,

My daughter with OCD and slight aspie traits (who originally was on the diet

for familiy solidarity reasons because her older HFA sister needed it), has

gotten sandy stools whenever she's had an illegal. And, so we learned she needs

the diet too.

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Hi ,

My son Ben (4 yrs old, ASD, SCD 5 months) never had sandy stools

before SCD, but now gets them occasionally. I just assumed, from

their unconsolidated nature, that it was just undigested food. I have

never touched it---is it really gritty or just not consolidated? I

notice that Ben gets them when he eats a food that he has a harder

time digesting.

Martha

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I know that I have read other parents talking about sandy gritty

> stools. Benito has had gritty stools before but this was literally

> like sand. Gritty. I just would like to know if this is a normal

> part of the process and that all is well. I know he is experiencing

> more die off but this sandy stool stuff is really amazing to

> me.....the body is truly a mystery to me.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Hinojosa

> > 3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007

> >

> >

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I was at a meeting recently where a mother from Great Plains was

there. She's involved in all their new research. They found that

oxylates comes out as little crystals. The sandy poop. Great Plains

has a good test now for checking oxylates. 6 months ago they was

they rated for oxylates was different now they have changed their

scales for looking at oxylates. You might want to have your Dr. run

this test for you. If you're child does have an oxylate issue (as I

belive mine does), you'll need additional diet change.

>

> hi stephanie,

>

> i am on a few groups and i hear that children who are having

issues

> with oxalates usually have gritty sandy stools. i know some mums

on

> this group have this issue and then it passes which would mean it

> wasnt an oxalate issue as scd is high in oxalates due to nuts and

> other allowed foods... so if it does not improve it would be

worth

> looking at oxalates.

>

> good luck,

> roweena x

> mum to audrey scd july 2006

>

> Sandy Stools

>

> Hello,

>

> I know that I have read other parents talking about sandy gritty

> stools. Benito has had gritty stools before but this was

literally

> like sand. Gritty. I just would like to know if this is a normal

part

> of the process and that all is well. I know he is experiencing

more

> die off but this sandy stool stuff is really amazing to

me.....the

> body is truly a mystery to me.

>

> Thanks

>

> Hinojosa

> 3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please note: We do not recommend limiting dietary oxalates here.

We feel the most sensible approach for anyone dealing with oxalate issues is to

investigate the Vitamin K protocol put together by Tamaro. Please

read her research paper here:

http://gutresearch.com/v1.html

And join her Vitamin K list for further information on the protocol:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VitaminK/

Patti

Re: Sandy Stools

If you're child does have an oxylate issue (as I

belive mine does), you'll need additional diet change.

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What additional diet change? My boys have this too. I assumed it was from

trouble digesting nut flours.

chericontes wrote: I was at a meeting recently

where a mother from Great Plains was

there. She's involved in all their new research. They found that

oxylates comes out as little crystals. The sandy poop. Great Plains

has a good test now for checking oxylates. 6 months ago they was

they rated for oxylates was different now they have changed their

scales for looking at oxylates. You might want to have your Dr. run

this test for you. If you're child does have an oxylate issue (as I

belive mine does), you'll need additional diet change.

>

> hi stephanie,

>

> i am on a few groups and i hear that children who are having

issues

> with oxalates usually have gritty sandy stools. i know some mums

on

> this group have this issue and then it passes which would mean it

> wasnt an oxalate issue as scd is high in oxalates due to nuts and

> other allowed foods... so if it does not improve it would be

worth

> looking at oxalates.

>

> good luck,

> roweena x

> mum to audrey scd july 2006

>

> Sandy Stools

>

> Hello,

>

> I know that I have read other parents talking about sandy gritty

> stools. Benito has had gritty stools before but this was

literally

> like sand. Gritty. I just would like to know if this is a normal

part

> of the process and that all is well. I know he is experiencing

more

> die off but this sandy stool stuff is really amazing to

me.....the

> body is truly a mystery to me.

>

> Thanks

>

> Hinojosa

> 3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007

>

>

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SCD is not higher in oxalates than GFCF or other diets. Moreover,

the nuts that are a part of SCD are high in INSOLUBLE oxalates which

are not a problem. Insoluble oxalates are oxalates that are already

bound to calcium; they are not absorbed but just pass through the

intestines.

The sandy stools may very well be a manifestation of calcium oxalate

crystals but there is no evidence whatsoever that SCD has anything

to do with the problem. Fungus makes oxalates, and it is possible

the child himself is making oxalates internally due to faulty

chemistry.

>

> hi stephanie,

>

> i am on a few groups and i hear that children who are having

issues

> with oxalates usually have gritty sandy stools. i know some mums

on

> this group have this issue and then it passes which would mean it

> wasnt an oxalate issue as scd is high in oxalates due to nuts and

> other allowed foods... so if it does not improve it would be

worth

> looking at oxalates.

>

> good luck,

> roweena x

> mum to audrey scd july 2006

>

[Guest guest]

Stefanie you should to see if he has " sand " in his urine too.

That's another way to check for calcium crystals. It could be

calcium oxalate or calcium phosphate - you need a microscope to tell

the difference.

> Hello,

>

> I know that I have read other parents talking about sandy gritty

> stools. Benito has had gritty stools before but this was

literally

> like sand. Gritty. I just would like to know if this is a normal

part

> of the process and that all is well. I know he is experiencing

more

> die off but this sandy stool stuff is really amazing to

me.....the

> body is truly a mystery to me.

>

> Thanks

>

> Hinojosa

> 3yr old boy, ASD, Began SCD Feb 14, 2007

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You have said, though, that you feel SCD help the body get rid of oxalate

crystals, right? I want to be sure I'm not confused on that. Do you think it's

just the probiotics or the SCD yogurt that do that.... or do you think the body

starts pushing this stuff out, as it detoxes on SCD?

Just wondering why it might seem that the kids don't exhibit any overt

" problems " ... and then once on SCD, it's recognized.

Patti

Re: Sandy Stools

SCD is not higher in oxalates than GFCF or other diets. Moreover,

the nuts that are a part of SCD are high in INSOLUBLE oxalates which

are not a problem. Insoluble oxalates are oxalates that are already

bound to calcium; they are not absorbed but just pass through the

intestines.

The sandy stools may very well be a manifestation of calcium oxalate

crystals but there is no evidence whatsoever that SCD has anything

to do with the problem. Fungus makes oxalates, and it is possible

the child himself is making oxalates internally due to faulty

chemistry.

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SCD is doing a few things:

1. It is, of course, reducing GI microbial overgrowth so that

inflammation drops, which makes it easier for oxalates to start

flowing out through the GI tract.

2. ISCD slows calcium absorption, which is good because the children

are absorbing too much calcium.

3. The probiotics can actually survive in the gut after SCD is

started - before then they probably could not.

4. The lactic acid bacteria in the probiotics can now start breaking

down oxalates, which signals the body to deposit more oxalates into

the GI tract for disposal. The increased flow of oxalates to the

gut can cause more GI symptoms - pain and mushy stools are typical.

4. As the oxalate in calcium oxalate crystals is broken down, the

freed-up calcium is left behind and without lots of magnesium to

protect the neurons and K2 to bind the calcium, the calcium can

bombard the neurons causing regression, stimmy behavior etc. AGain

this is blamed on SCD when the cause is something else.

5. I think that the body really wants to get rid of oxalates. As

conditions improve from SCD, the body starts pushing oxalates out.

The more conditions improve, the faster the body dumps oxalates.

This process seems to follow the introduction of SCD by several

months and is blamed on SCD when in reality it's oxalate detox.

Hope that helps,

>

> Hi ,

>

> You have said, though, that you feel SCD help the body get rid of

oxalate crystals, right? I want to be sure I'm not confused on

that. Do you think it's just the probiotics or the SCD yogurt that

do that.... or do you think the body starts pushing this stuff out,

as it detoxes on SCD?

>

> Just wondering why it might seem that the kids don't exhibit any

overt " problems " ... and then once on SCD, it's recognized.

>

> Patti

>

> Re: Sandy Stools

>

>

> SCD is not higher in oxalates than GFCF or other diets.

Moreover,

> the nuts that are a part of SCD are high in INSOLUBLE oxalates

which

> are not a problem. Insoluble oxalates are oxalates that are

already

> bound to calcium; they are not absorbed but just pass through

the

> intestines.

>

> The sandy stools may very well be a manifestation of calcium

oxalate

> crystals but there is no evidence whatsoever that SCD has

anything

> to do with the problem. Fungus makes oxalates, and it is

possible

> the child himself is making oxalates internally due to faulty

> chemistry.

>

>

>

>

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Ximena,

I have my daughter on the K protocol.... and yes, thinks it's best to

get on SCD and get it really well established first. One part of the protocol,

though, you could start NOW.... and that is the cod liver oil, at the higher

doses that she recommends. She thinks it's essential to get that going before

adding in the K anyway. Any kid could benefit from CLO. A lot of us are using

the one from Green Pastures (www.greenpasture.org ), because you can give a lot

less and get higher levels of A and D.

Patti

Re: Re: Sandy Stools

Hello everyone!

I have been reading the information about the sandy stools and I'd like to say

that it cannot be because of SCD. My daughter has had sandy stools for a long

time before she was diagnosed with PDD and I had no idea why. She still has

sandy stools in every BM so I believe she has problems with oxalates. Now I know

why. Being on the SCD has helped her a lot with behavior and it has helped me

too, to understand the reason for many of the symptoms of her condition. I read

about the Vita K protocol and I think it makes a lot of sense. I'm just waiting

for the right time to start the protocol. has been on SCD only for 5 weeks

so I think it's a little too early to start.

Thanks for all the information that helps clueless moms like me.

Ximena

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It's great that I can give her something now to help her to be ready for the

vita K protocol. I had recently read about cod liver oil, but I wasn't sure it

was safe. In fact, in my country it is a very popular suplement for kids. I'll

start giving it to her as soon I can get it.

Thanks for the information.

Ximena

Patti wrote:

Ximena,

I have my daughter on the K protocol.... and yes, thinks it's best to

get on SCD and get it really well established first. One part of the protocol,

though, you could start NOW.... and that is the cod liver oil, at the higher

doses that she recommends. She thinks it's essential to get that going before

adding in the K anyway. Any kid could benefit from CLO. A lot of us are using

the one from Green Pastures (www.greenpasture.org ), because you can give a lot

less and get higher levels of A and D.

Patti

[Guest guest]

hi patti,

what dose of vitamin a are you giving (in the form of clo)? we are

using nordic naturals (im in australia) as it is supposed to be the

best be the best one available here. i give a tsp at night. i heard

its good to give with probiotic - just wondering if its true? is

this what you do???

roweena x

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Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:09 am (PST)

Ximena,

I have my daughter on the K protocol.... and yes, thinks

it's best to get on SCD and get it really well established first. One

part of the protocol, though, you could start NOW.... and that is the

cod liver oil, at the higher doses that she recommends. She thinks

it's essential to get that going before adding in the K anyway. Any

kid could benefit from CLO. A lot of us are using the one from Green

Pastures (www.greenpasture.org ), because you can give a lot less and

get higher levels of A and D.

Patti

[Guest guest]

I am very interested in learning more about this oxalate crystals and vitaminK

protocol. My asd son is 4 and has been on scd almost 5 months now. Can someone

give me the link???

Kim

[Guest guest]

The research paper is here:

http://gutresearch.com/v1.html

And here's the link to the Vitamin K list:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VitaminK/

Patti

Re: Sandy Stools

I am very interested in learning more about this oxalate crystals and vitaminK

protocol. My asd son is 4 and has been on scd almost 5 months now. Can someone

give me the link???

Kim

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What did sandy stools mean?

Thank you, :)Aimee

2 yr son, healng leaky gut, 4 weeks SCD

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Aimee

According to (over on the Vitamin K list), she thinks that it may be

oxalate crystals leaving the body.

Becky

Aimee wrote:

What did sandy stools mean?

Thank you, :)Aimee

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Aimee, forgot to add, you may see " sandy stool " if you are using almond flour or

such.

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HI, thank you. No flours at all. No nuts yet either. Very strict

stage 1 and 1/2 of 2.

And if these crystals are supposedly leaving the body. I assume that

is a good thing? And do we need to do anything about it?

What did sandy stools mean?

>

> Thank you, :)Aimee

> 2 yr son, healng leaky gut, 4 weeks SCD

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Yeah it is a good thing that they are leaving, but if his gut isn't in good

shape you could see some behaviors. I joined the vitamin K group to learn more

about the oxalate and the protocol, I am still learning myself. I think Patti

here has the exact web address for the site if you wanted to join their list. I

think it is www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/VitaminK

becky

Aimee wrote:

HI, thank you. No flours at all. No nuts yet either. Very strict

stage 1 and 1/2 of 2.

And if these crystals are supposedly leaving the body. I assume that

is a good thing? And do we need to do anything about it?

What did sandy stools mean?

>

> Thank you, :)Aimee

> 2 yr son, healng leaky gut, 4 weeks SCD

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The link to the K list is : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VitaminK/

And the original research paper Tamaro wrote on the whole scenario of

calcium management, oxalate crystals and the fat soluable vitamins is here:

http://gutresearch.com/v1.html

Patti

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Yeah it is a good thing that they are leaving, but if his gut isn't in good

shape you could see some behaviors. I joined the vitamin K group to learn more

about the oxalate and the protocol, I am still learning myself. I think Patti

here has the exact web address for the site if you wanted to join their list. I

think it is www.health.groups.yahoo.com/group/VitaminK

becky

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