RE: - access to egroup messages

[Guest guest]

As I sit here in tears I am speachless...no matter

what I said, I did not DESERVE that.

I was not frieking out about the access being gone.

OTHER people were. I simply responded to someone who

wanted to know HOW I knew that it was DR R who shut

down access.

The reason I would like an explanation is b/c I would

like to know if that is HOW T was getting #'s

etc. and if that is the reason why he chose to take

away access. I am NOT the only one that said it did

not look good on his part and I am NOT the only one

that wondered why. But I am the ONLY one that just

got there head taken off and spoken to like a child.

You are right when you say that the archives cannot

help me maintain my health or prove

anything...however, alot of issues that happen post

op, my Pcp does not know diddly about. One of the

reasons I chose Dr R was b/c of the open access to

e-mails from previous post ops. It has nothing to do

with wanting to hurt or bash Dr R.

I really need to get myself together b-4 writing any

further. Not angry...Hurt.

(who is BLOWN away and hurt right now)

--- florence@... wrote:

>

> > > Trudy,

> > > I guess I spoke out of turn b/c I DON'T know for

> sure

> > > that he did this, but how else would it have

> happened?

> > > If he did do this, I would appreciate an

> explanation

> > > as to why. It does not look good on his part

> with all

> > > that is going on. Ya know?

>

> Dear : I can't imagine that Dr. Rutledge

> would feel that he had to explain to YOU why he took

> down access if he did indeed take down archives. Why

> would he owe any of us an explanation..he is the

> list owner...this is his...this is free..we aren't

> customers that have paid for a service which we are

> being denied. This is HIS and we use it.

>

> I didn't think that he was trying to look good. I

> think he's a doctor just trying to do his job. I. I

> would imagine there are days when he regrets ever

> having started these lists. What other doctors give

> all patients such free and easy access to him, to

> his other patients, to information, to criticize him

> if they want...he permits it and he encourages it.

> And he wants people with complications to post what

> they are. There are warnings all over that this is

> major surgery...and he wants patients who are

> prepared for the negative things. Having your guts

> rearranged does, after all, have a downside. A

> bigger downside for some people that for others.

>

> What is it he owes you regarding the list? Why is

> it an emergency to get in? It's only been down a

> short time and maybe he wants a cooling off period.

> Maybe his lawyer advised him to take it down. Maybe

> his lawyer is concerned that he can be held

> responsible for providing a forum in which people's

> personal information is being used in order to

> threaten and intimidate them? People were upset

> with the disturbing emails...I'm sure there are many

> who would prefer that access to their phone numbers,

> etc. is not available. I've been free with my phone

> number. I don't want anyone calling my husband or my

> family members upsetting them. People were upset

> that they were telephoned at work because their

> wives had surgery. People were upset that their

> co-workers were called. People were upset that their

> mothers were called. Now that's something to really

> get upset about .

>

> This has been a pretty free and easy list with

> people constantly posting their phone numbers for

> others to use if they needed emotional support. Then

> someone comes along and uses that information to

> send disturbing mail? To call family members? What

> is that about?

>

> If you can't see that these tactics are EXTREME and

> scarey and disturbing to normal thinking people then

> something is wrong with your thinking. If I had the

> world's worst complications from MGB, if I was

> puking my head off and going to die from having it,

> the last thing I would do would be to call someone's

> boss or to call someone's husband or to call

> someone's mother and scare the hell out of them!

> That is inappropriate, that is scarey, that is

> disturbed.

>

> > > Regardless of my experience with the MGB, (Good

> & Bad)

> > > I still respect Dr Rutledge to the fullest. I

> am

> > > confused and angry...trying to sort this all out

> with

> > > proof and hard facts to protect and maintain my

> > > health.

> > >

> > > C

>

> I don't know what you're confused about .

> And I don't know what you're angry about. That's not

> clear to me. If you're scared, that I can

> understand. If you're scared that you have had a

> surgery that is everything that is

> saying it is, I can understand your reaction. It

> isn't my reaction but I do understand that may be

> your reaction. But what would your not being able to

> read past posts have to do with your confusion or

> your anger. What are you trying to get proof of?

> What hard facts do you need to protect and maintain

> your health.

>

> To protect and maintain your health you see a

> doctor. You had surgery, now you see YOUR doctor. If

> he needs to talk to Dr. Rutledge, he'll call him.

> If you are physically ill, you need to get to a Dr.

> right away. Then you need to do what you are told to

> do. The archives won't make you well. The archives

> won't make the fact you had surgery go away. The

> archives won't prove anything...whatever it is you

> need proof of. The archives won't protect and

> maintain your health. That's something you do with a

> doctor.

>

> Your thinking is clearly not even .

> Something is wrong with your nearly hysterical

> reaction to a computer email group as being

> something that is going to protect or maintain your

> health. Something is wrong with thinking that Dr.

> Rutledge is trying to look good. Something is wrong

> with thinking that he owes us explanations for his

> actions. He has been attacked. Should he just sit

> around and get himself sued because someone is using

> the information from the list HE OWNS AND MAINTAINS

> to harass people?

>

> If I was a Dr. who had done what he has done in

> terms of giving people access, information, surgery,

> advice, yadda yadda yadda...I'll be damned if I'd

> sit by and get attacked and then keep defending

> myself because one woman, (one unstable woman who

> believes the government bombed the federal building

> in Oklahoma City (where my daughter's friend and one

> of her children were killed) and who has been

> arrested for carrying weapons) is attacking me.

> ly , I'd shut down the list and spend

> my time operating and making money instead of

> putting up with a bunch of crap during my spare

> time.

>

> Get some help . If you're angry and confused

> you need to talk to someone. Reading the archives

> won't make you not angry and won't un-confuse you.

>

> Flo in land who is not a Rutledge groupie...just

> an old lady with some everyday common sense!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > Trudy,

> > I guess I spoke out of turn b/c I DON'T know for sure

> > that he did this, but how else would it have happened?

> > If he did do this, I would appreciate an explanation

> > as to why. It does not look good on his part with all

> > that is going on. Ya know?

Dear : I can't imagine that Dr. Rutledge would feel that he had to

explain to YOU why he took down access if he did indeed take down archives. Why

would he owe any of us an explanation..he is the list owner...this is his...this

is free..we aren't customers that have paid for a service which we are being

denied. This is HIS and we use it.

I didn't think that he was trying to look good. I think he's a doctor just

trying to do his job. I. I would imagine there are days when he regrets ever

having started these lists. What other doctors give all patients such free and

easy access to him, to his other patients, to information, to criticize him if

they want...he permits it and he encourages it. And he wants people with

complications to post what they are. There are warnings all over that this is

major surgery...and he wants patients who are prepared for the negative things.

Having your guts rearranged does, after all, have a downside. A bigger downside

for some people that for others.

What is it he owes you regarding the list? Why is it an emergency to get in?

It's only been down a short time and maybe he wants a cooling off period. Maybe

his lawyer advised him to take it down. Maybe his lawyer is concerned that he

can be held responsible for providing a forum in which people's personal

information is being used in order to threaten and intimidate them? People were

upset with the disturbing emails...I'm sure there are many who would prefer that

access to their phone numbers, etc. is not available. I've been free with my

phone number. I don't want anyone calling my husband or my family members

upsetting them. People were upset that they were telephoned at work because

their wives had surgery. People were upset that their co-workers were called.

People were upset that their mothers were called. Now that's something to really

get upset about .

This has been a pretty free and easy list with people constantly posting their

phone numbers for others to use if they needed emotional support. Then someone

comes along and uses that information to send disturbing mail? To call family

members? What is that about?

If you can't see that these tactics are EXTREME and scarey and disturbing to

normal thinking people then something is wrong with your thinking. If I had the

world's worst complications from MGB, if I was puking my head off and going to

die from having it, the last thing I would do would be to call someone's boss or

to call someone's husband or to call someone's mother and scare the hell out of

them! That is inappropriate, that is scarey, that is disturbed.

> > Regardless of my experience with the MGB, (Good & Bad)

> > I still respect Dr Rutledge to the fullest. I am

> > confused and angry...trying to sort this all out with

> > proof and hard facts to protect and maintain my

> > health.

> >

> > C

I don't know what you're confused about . And I don't know what you're

angry about. That's not clear to me. If you're scared, that I can understand.

If you're scared that you have had a surgery that is everything that

is saying it is, I can understand your reaction. It isn't my reaction

but I do understand that may be your reaction. But what would your not being

able to read past posts have to do with your confusion or your anger. What are

you trying to get proof of? What hard facts do you need to protect and maintain

your health.

To protect and maintain your health you see a doctor. You had surgery, now you

see YOUR doctor. If he needs to talk to Dr. Rutledge, he'll call him. If you

are physically ill, you need to get to a Dr. right away. Then you need to do

what you are told to do. The archives won't make you well. The archives won't

make the fact you had surgery go away. The archives won't prove

anything...whatever it is you need proof of. The archives won't protect and

maintain your health. That's something you do with a doctor.

Your thinking is clearly not even . Something is wrong with your nearly

hysterical reaction to a computer email group as being something that is going

to protect or maintain your health. Something is wrong with thinking that Dr.

Rutledge is trying to look good. Something is wrong with thinking that he owes

us explanations for his actions. He has been attacked. Should he just sit around

and get himself sued because someone is using the information from the list HE

OWNS AND MAINTAINS to harass people?

If I was a Dr. who had done what he has done in terms of giving people access,

information, surgery, advice, yadda yadda yadda...I'll be damned if I'd sit by

and get attacked and then keep defending myself because one woman, (one unstable

woman who believes the government bombed the federal building in Oklahoma City

(where my daughter's friend and one of her children were killed) and who has

been arrested for carrying weapons) is attacking me. ly , I'd shut

down the list and spend my time operating and making money instead of putting up

with a bunch of crap during my spare time.

Get some help . If you're angry and confused you need to talk to

someone. Reading the archives won't make you not angry and won't un-confuse you.

Flo in land who is not a Rutledge groupie...just an old lady with some

everyday common sense!

[Guest guest]

WOW Flo....you should be an attorney....you go girl!!!

Robin

Virginia

At 04:21 PM 10/18/00 -0500, you wrote:

>

>> > Trudy,

>> > I guess I spoke out of turn b/c I DON'T know for sure

>> > that he did this, but how else would it have happened?

>> > If he did do this, I would appreciate an explanation

>> > as to why. It does not look good on his part with all

>> > that is going on. Ya know?

>

>Dear : I can't imagine that Dr. Rutledge would feel that he had to

explain to YOU why he took down access if he did indeed take down archives.

Why would he owe any of us an explanation..he is the list owner...this is

his...this is free..we aren't customers that have paid for a service which

we are being denied. This is HIS and we use it.

>

>I didn't think that he was trying to look good. I think he's a doctor just

trying to do his job. I. I would imagine there are days when he regrets

ever having started these lists. What other doctors give all patients such

free and easy access to him, to his other patients, to information, to

criticize him if they want...he permits it and he encourages it. And he

wants people with complications to post what they are. There are warnings

all over that this is major surgery...and he wants patients who are

prepared for the negative things. Having your guts rearranged does, after

all, have a downside. A bigger downside for some people that for others.

>

>What is it he owes you regarding the list? Why is it an emergency to get

in? It's only been down a short time and maybe he wants a cooling off

period. Maybe his lawyer advised him to take it down. Maybe his lawyer is

concerned that he can be held responsible for providing a forum in which

people's personal information is being used in order to threaten and

intimidate them? People were upset with the disturbing emails...I'm sure

there are many who would prefer that access to their phone numbers, etc. is

not available. I've been free with my phone number. I don't want anyone

calling my husband or my family members upsetting them. People were upset

that they were telephoned at work because their wives had surgery. People

were upset that their co-workers were called. People were upset that their

mothers were called. Now that's something to really get upset about .

>

>This has been a pretty free and easy list with people constantly posting

their phone numbers for others to use if they needed emotional support.

Then someone comes along and uses that information to send disturbing mail?

To call family members? What is that about?

>

>If you can't see that these tactics are EXTREME and scarey and disturbing

to normal thinking people then something is wrong with your thinking. If I

had the world's worst complications from MGB, if I was puking my head off

and going to die from having it, the last thing I would do would be to call

someone's boss or to call someone's husband or to call someone's mother and

scare the hell out of them! That is inappropriate, that is scarey, that is

disturbed.

>

>> > Regardless of my experience with the MGB, (Good & Bad)

>> > I still respect Dr Rutledge to the fullest. I am

>> > confused and angry...trying to sort this all out with

>> > proof and hard facts to protect and maintain my

>> > health.

>> >

>> > C

>

>I don't know what you're confused about . And I don't know what

you're angry about. That's not clear to me. If you're scared, that I can

understand. If you're scared that you have had a surgery that is everything

that is saying it is, I can understand your reaction. It

isn't my reaction but I do understand that may be your reaction. But what

would your not being able to read past posts have to do with your confusion

or your anger. What are you trying to get proof of? What hard facts do you

need to protect and maintain your health.

>

>To protect and maintain your health you see a doctor. You had surgery, now

you see YOUR doctor. If he needs to talk to Dr. Rutledge, he'll call him.

If you are physically ill, you need to get to a Dr. right away. Then you

need to do what you are told to do. The archives won't make you well. The

archives won't make the fact you had surgery go away. The archives won't

prove anything...whatever it is you need proof of. The archives won't

protect and maintain your health. That's something you do with a doctor.

>

>Your thinking is clearly not even . Something is wrong with your

nearly hysterical reaction to a computer email group as being something

that is going to protect or maintain your health. Something is wrong with

thinking that Dr. Rutledge is trying to look good. Something is wrong with

thinking that he owes us explanations for his actions. He has been

attacked. Should he just sit around and get himself sued because someone is

using the information from the list HE OWNS AND MAINTAINS to harass people?

>

>If I was a Dr. who had done what he has done in terms of giving people

access, information, surgery, advice, yadda yadda yadda...I'll be damned if

I'd sit by and get attacked and then keep defending myself because one

woman, (one unstable woman who believes the government bombed the federal

building in Oklahoma City (where my daughter's friend and one of her

children were killed) and who has been arrested for carrying weapons) is

attacking me. ly , I'd shut down the list and spend my time

operating and making money instead of putting up with a bunch of crap

during my spare time.

>

>Get some help . If you're angry and confused you need to talk to

someone. Reading the archives won't make you not angry and won't un-confuse

you.

>

>Flo in land who is not a Rutledge groupie...just an old lady with some

everyday common sense!

>

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