When do we know if the Probiotic and/or the Yoghurt is working for our child ?

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Hi Group/ Patti !

I wonder if someone can enlighten me here a little bit, and tell me

when and IF one can be certain that the Probiotic and/ or the Yoghurt

in fact is doing their contribute to the overall well-being on the SCD-

diet and in fact decrease the amount of patogenic bacteria in the gut/

intestine and is not " just " givin becouse we are suppose to ..... ?

I think it can be VERY difficult to tell when one has a child that has

not learn to speak yet and at the same time conclude on any of these

issues - I mean we have seen a GREAT number of clear measurable results

regarding his number of seizures before and after this wonderfull diet -

NO doubt about that, it has been dramatic cut down by @ 95 % or so AND

his well beeing is also better and he has much more energy now than

before the diet, but regarding the introduction of the Probiotic

(Kirkman) and the Yoghurt(goat) I can not see the same clear results

yet - we have tried to take it on and of for some time but still we are

very uncertain that he in fact is needing or using this " supplement " at

all.

How do we know this for sure - we have been on the diet for 1 year

now and would like to make it as " simple " as possible for him and at

the same time effective !

Regards and thanks ///

Allan, father to: 9.5 years, SCD for 1 year(GFCF, and only low

GI carbs, due to low seizure-threshold), Epilepsy, retarded and mild

ASD.

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Allan

this is off topic and doesn't have anything to do with your question, but I

noticed in your signiture the word " retarded " was one of your descriptors of

your son. I am a school psychologist (one of those people who make such

diagnosis'). While I am not very " schooled " in epilepsy, ever since i found out

my son is high functioning autism, my professional opinion has changed regarding

the diagnosis of mental retardation for autistic children. Way too many of

these kids have retardation as listed as their secondary diagnosis - especially

in the school setting.

Part of being autistic is limited to no development of language skills, hence

typical intelligence tests can not accurately assess a child's mental

capabilities. So when a child can not process information in a way that others

intended for it to be processed, these kids may inappropriately answer or not

answer at all and then they end up with a diagnosis of MR. All here know there

is alot going on in their little brains, WAY more than they can articulate to

us. Anyway, I was just curious if there were other reasons why someone would

have told you your child was retarded. Whenever I see the words retarded with

autism, I feel I have to say something. Feel free to email me off list to

explain further or tell me to mind my own business :>)

Becky

3 yold son ASD

Allan wrote:

Hi Group/ Patti !

I wonder if someone can enlighten me here a little bit, and tell me

when and IF one can be certain that the Probiotic and/ or the Yoghurt

in fact is doing their contribute to the overall well-being on the SCD-

diet and in fact decrease the amount of patogenic bacteria in the gut/

intestine and is not " just " givin becouse we are suppose to ..... ?

I think it can be VERY difficult to tell when one has a child that has

not learn to speak yet and at the same time conclude on any of these

issues - I mean we have seen a GREAT number of clear measurable results

regarding his number of seizures before and after this wonderfull diet -

NO doubt about that, it has been dramatic cut down by @ 95 % or so AND

his well beeing is also better and he has much more energy now than

before the diet, but regarding the introduction of the Probiotic

(Kirkman) and the Yoghurt(goat) I can not see the same clear results

yet - we have tried to take it on and of for some time but still we are

very uncertain that he in fact is needing or using this " supplement " at

all.

How do we know this for sure - we have been on the diet for 1 year

now and would like to make it as " simple " as possible for him and at

the same time effective !

Regards and thanks ///

Allan, father to: 9.5 years, SCD for 1 year(GFCF, and only low

GI carbs, due to low seizure-threshold), Epilepsy, retarded and mild

ASD.

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Allan,

This is a tough question to answer. I don't know how anyone can say, unless

you're doing stool testing or something, how to be " certain " that the probiotics

and or yogurt are helping.

Have you read the book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle? I'd just have to refer you

back to chapter 3, which is titled " Intestinal Microbes: The Unseen World " .

Elaine gives quite a bit of information there.

Beyond that, I have copied this from her website:

<<Probiotics are harmless bacteria. Generally speaking, they don't really

actively do anything for us. Their value lies in the fact that they take up

space that would otherwise be utilized by the bad guys, keeping the

opportunistic nasties from overgrowing. >>

And this, also from her website:

<<You asked, Did I read something on list about if you're not 100% on the diet

not to use probotics??

From Elaine,

Yes, you did and I meant it to apply to people with IBD. Of course, again, I am

alone in the field of alternative and mainstream medicine who says this. But my

guide is the fact that the " soil of the body " determines the type of bacteria

that survive in the gut. And if one is on SAD, all that starch and sugar down

there is bound to cause mutations in the probiotic which are all anerobic

bacteria which live on carbohydrate. >>

I think the point is that the beneficial bacteria serve the purpose of keeping

the bad ones in check... keeping everything in balance.

Yogurt has other healing qualities that go beyond just a delivery system for

probiotics. It is the fermentation that makes the dairy proteins themselves more

digestible.... and the pH of yogurt is helpful in maintaining a friendly

environment in the GI tract to support healing. There is more info about yogurt

in the chapter I referred to in BTVC, so I think it would be a good thing to go

back and re-read that.

Patti

When do we know if the Probiotic and/or the Yoghurt is

working for our child ?

Hi Group/ Patti !

I wonder if someone can enlighten me here a little bit, and tell me

when and IF one can be certain that the Probiotic and/ or the Yoghurt

in fact is doing their contribute to the overall well-being on the SCD-

diet and in fact decrease the amount of patogenic bacteria in the gut/

intestine and is not " just " givin becouse we are suppose to ..... ?

I think it can be VERY difficult to tell when one has a child that has

not learn to speak yet and at the same time conclude on any of these

issues - I mean we have seen a GREAT number of clear measurable results

regarding his number of seizures before and after this wonderfull diet -

NO doubt about that, it has been dramatic cut down by @ 95 % or so AND

his well beeing is also better and he has much more energy now than

before the diet, but regarding the introduction of the Probiotic

(Kirkman) and the Yoghurt(goat) I can not see the same clear results

yet - we have tried to take it on and of for some time but still we are

very uncertain that he in fact is needing or using this " supplement " at

all.

How do we know this for sure - we have been on the diet for 1 year

now and would like to make it as " simple " as possible for him and at

the same time effective !

Regards and thanks ///

Allan, father to: 9.5 years, SCD for 1 year(GFCF, and only low

GI carbs, due to low seizure-threshold), Epilepsy, retarded and mild

ASD.